posted November 20, 2004 02:14 AM         

I'm a bit confused because on a properly drawn chart, sometimes planets can be in the same house, but not the same sign... So for example... my friend's chart, he has his sun, moon, mercury, mars and pluto in the 9th house... with all but Mercury in Libra (Mercury is in Virgo).

So when I use relationship signs, I put all his planets in the 9th house and don't worry about the sign. But when I go back to put his planets in my chart... I get a bit confused as far as figuring if I'm doing the right thing by going by his planets and not houses... Because if I didn't have the chart from astro.com, I probably would have placed the Mercury in the 8th house??

So, is that OK to keep it in the 9th house when putting my planets on his chart, and then place it in the house ruled by Virgo when putting his planets on my chart?

Eeeek... anyway, I'm sidetracked now... my real reason for this thread is to figure out how much weight more experienced astrologers put on aspects to Saturn and Pluto, but especially Saturn.

posted November 21, 2004 06:52 AM         

I have another question! Using Relationship Signs, there are over 60 conjunctions, sextiles, trines, squares, etc... On any given chart... It ends up not being very meaningful because I feel like I'm reading every interpretation for everyone's chart... I'd like to be able to figure out what the strongest, or tightest, most important aspects are, and just read those... How can I figure out which are the most important aspects? I'm thinking it has something to do with degrees of the aspects, but I can't find anything concrete with my googling.

posted November 22, 2004 11:39 AM         

it's sort of a process, sorting out which aspects mean more than others. first off, id hone in on the ones with the tightest orbs. then id begin to study each chart for what planets are most important - look at the planet that rules the rising sign, look for 3 or more planets in one sign and what the ruling planet is for that sign, look for any planets aspecting the AC, look for planets in angular houses, look for aspect patterns - if there's a planet that makes aspects to multiple planets, look for any stationaries or directs (you have that stationary pluto), look for any singletons (you have that uranus singleton). there might be other focalizers but thats all i can think of right now. anyways, make a list. do this for both people involved, and then look for aspects involving these planets - theyll be more potent.

ill use myself as a brief example, i have libra rising so that makes venus my ruling planet. venus is also involved in a mutual reception with uranus so that gives it a bit more dignity as well. i have 3 planets in sag (and jupiter is stationary), so jupiter is also important for me. then my sun is a singleton so there's another focalizer. and lastly, uranus is important because it conjuncts my ascendant almost exactly, and its involved in that mutual reception with venus.

g's important planets are pluto because he has scorp rising, 3 planets in scorpio, and pluto's a singleton; mercury because he has 3 planets in virgo and 1 in gemini; venus bc its in a mutual reception with pluto; neptune bc its in the 1st house; moon bc its in the 7th house; sun & saturn bc theyre in his 10th house.

so after determining this i look for aspects between involving our own personal focalizers. for instance, my venus is trine his pluto by 3°. this is a strong aspect because it involves planets important to us.

i hope this helps you!

posted November 23, 2004 05:18 PM         

no problemo, i always have jillions of questions myself.

astro.com has the stationary info - remember when you copied and pasted your chart and his in that other thread? check under 'motion' - it will indicate direct, retrograde or stationary. i think you just had the 1 planet that was stationary if i recall correctly (& i do have a fairly good memory). and i dont think he had any, but you might wanna check that.

as far as the orbs go, if youve ordered any sort of report from an online service it should come with a listing of aspects and their orbs. like, for instance, my ascendant is libra 12° and g's pluto is libra 15°, so that makes his pluto conjunct my ascendant by 3°. that's fairly tight for a conjunction. anyhoo, if you need to do this by hand, you can use the info from astro.com on your (and his) planetary positions/degrees (i.e., your sun in aquarius at 5°) and convert everything to a number. i posted the chart elsewhere...here's that number chart again (had to dig it up):

aries – 0
taurus – 30
gemini – 60
cancer – 90
leo – 120
virgo – 150
libra – 180
scorpio – 210
sag – 240
cap – 270
aqua – 300
pisces – 330

using this, for your sun in aqua at 5°, take that number listed next to aquarius, which is 300, and add the degrees of the sign, which is 5 in this case, and wa-lah, you get 305. now if we take his sun in pisces at 8°, we get 338 (330 + 8), and so from there to determine the aspect if there is any we then subtract (the smaller number from the bigger number, doesnt matter which) so you have 338-305 which equals 33 which is a loose semisextile (a semisextile being 30°, orb usually employed: 2°).

if when doing these calculations, you get a total that is over 180, just subtract that number from 360 to get the proper result.

hope that helps ya!