posted March 13, 2005 06:33 PM         

There is no real indication in the chart that we are real Twin S-elves; only that we have deep karmic bonds. (My D.O.B: 25 May 1980, 11.35pm, Bristol, England. His D.O.B: 11th December 1960 at 6:30am, Tripolis, Libya).

I wanted him to be my Twin S-elf, believe me. A lot has happened since then! We're still together, I'm still in love with him- however I feel there are problems, which, as time goes by, begins to bother me more and more, frustrate more and more. I often feel very angry around him too. When I see him, I just want to be with him. However.........

I've always dreamt of a Soul Mate or Twin S-elf. I suffer from a skeptical mind though. One of the reasons I fell in love with Linda Goodman's works were her ascetic teachings of soul mates........

There are a certain pair of celebritys I admire who I believe are Twin S-elves, after reading the interviews. Johnny Depp & Vanessa Paradis.

I'm fed up with things the way they are. I don't want to play the field or have fun either. All that has ever truely mattered to me has been finding my other half. I dreamt of him as a young child. I've prayed for him, yearned for him painfully. But it seems that Time would not allow me to find him yet.

I keep telling myself over and over not to get disillusioned; not to live in a fantasy world. However, I am growing more and more convinced that life is NOT a coincidence!

LOve and Peace

posted March 13, 2005 07:05 PM         

About the Kogi Indians--Thank God somebody is protecting the balance!! I 'm going to see what i can find on them....sounds interesting.

posted March 14, 2005 02:39 PM         

quote:

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"such a dual search..such a dual quest
is more worthwhile.. more infinitely desirable
and more urgently needed..than any other goal
to which Earthlings might aspire to attain
in this dawning of the Golden Age of Aquarius

and..meditate upon the cosmic meaning here
that this search, this quest...this dream of reunion
is the only way..all men and women
may ever hope to find the path..which leads back
to Love and Peace on Earth"(Heathcliffe to Linda in Gooberz)

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quote:

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"If you truly know it to be true, then it is true!
what one's heart says is true - is true
when one [h]as attuned to - or 'tuned-in' to
the Higher Angel of one's own S-elf as you are at present
and perhaps someday .. you will even be able
to prove that you are right in this" (Heathcliffe to Linda in Gooberz)

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posted March 14, 2005 04:34 PM         

I guess that what makes it so hard to 'know' and not get confused are all the chemistry at work in our brains when we meet someone. I have thought that I have been in love many times, but now I know many defintions of love. I'm also one of those people who has fallen prey to disillusion easily, perhaps having a Neptune in my twelfth house, moon conjunct pluto, and other aspects may reflect this. That's why I didn't keep the faith in my dream; one gets cynical; afraid of being 'crazy'; pulled towards reality.

It's funny about the lighthouse being used as a metaphor. As a child, I use to have little daydreams about meeting my Twin-self friend in a light-house by the sea. The sea always seems to be significant (the original dream I had was about an old ship).
Oh well.........

posted March 14, 2005 05:00 PM         

I dont talk much abt her, because she meant more to me than I can ever explain ... from 12000 miles away I felt such a deep psychic connection to her words. And when they told me she had 'died', I kinda lost faith and became very bitter ... and it was downhill from there. I am recovering now, thanks to the immense love and support from all these amazing knowflakes, but the subject of her absence still invokes extreme emotions and reactions in me.

I guess I'll never get over it.

posted March 14, 2005 05:11 PM         

Your friend was absolutely right. I've noticed people get very caught up with that Venus/Pluto aspect and think they have met their soulmate because they read this in one of Lindas books. You are setting yourself up for major dissapointment if you try to rely on this. It is a strong bond but it does not mean you are meant to be and this person is your soulmate every time. You have this aspect with countless numbers of people. Pluto is a slow mover.

Dont look to the stars for your soulmate. Look within. From there is the only place you will find them. Be who you want to attract and when it is your time it WILL happen and you WILL K-now. There will be no question. Be still, be quiet and listen to your heart. Stop looking for clues and signs outside of yourself. They will dissapoint.

posted March 14, 2005 05:15 PM         

Here's another fab article on soulmates called The One:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001239.html

posted March 14, 2005 05:42 PM         

I do have a deep bond with my present boyfriend, but I've never been sure that he is the One, but I've wanted him to be, from deep inside my heart.
However, we do not share common goals, we seem to be on different levels spiritually; feel differently about life and want different things. I stopped being a vegan since being with him. I've compromised a lot of things because I felt so magnetically drawn to him; that I needed to be a part of him.
But we don't seem to be compatible. I just seem to feel frustrated with him more and more lately. We don't live together, though I know we are both totally faithful to each other. We even tried (living together), but it was a disaster.
I've thought about moving on many times, but it's just been too immensely painful. Perhaps with time, I've been gathering some immunity to this pain(?). Perhaps now is the time.

I will try to be the person who I want to attract, 26taurus, like you said. That definetely sounds like good advice! In fact, it may be my fault that meeting my Twin S-elf was postponed because I did not have a clear image of what I wanted before I got involved; cynicism again.

posted March 14, 2005 10:58 PM         

Do you know what happened?

I ran as fast as I could in the other direction.

Now, I'm thinking, maybe fate will have to find a more indirect means to acquaint me with "the one".

Like a crab, she may have to come sideways.

posted March 15, 2005 08:18 AM         

I tried to image/ordain it through my childhood, but it didn't work. Perhaps.......it is because I am on the 'Thunderbolt Path of Karma' and have to experience relationships with 'twin souls' before I can be with my twin s-elf.

I was reading a little of the relationship chart last night which I had done in the beginning, nearly 5 years ago. Now I've been with him longer, I can see just how accurate it is! The advice in it is fantastic. And it would seem that he must be a major part of the 'puzzle', though I don't believe he is my Twin S-elf.

I have often wondered whether it is better to wait and remain 'chaste' until we meet 'The One'. I just don't know the answer. I certainly don't want to 'dry up' like an old bit of bread. When we share an honest relationship with someone, it breathes life into one another; we can grow together. What I never want to do, however, is hurt him or make him feel betrayed. I am certainly not interested in looking at other guys, etc. All I've ever wanted is to meet my Twin S-elf!!!

The Thunderbolt Path of Karma does sound confusing. I do feel, however, that he does have a piece of the puzzle within his soul- a piece of me. Just not all of it.

I know that one should 'know' when they've found 'The One'. All I've ever done is followed my heart, but the rest get confusing. I don't want to go chasing fairy-tales which might not be true. I can't believe in 'blind faith' because there are just too many faiths.......

Instead, I plan on being a 'detective'!!!

posted March 15, 2005 09:06 AM         

This subject has been coming up a lot in my life lately and I thought that this might be the time to express my own feeling about it...

I believe that the twin S-elf is the person who you will meet in your life....you may not end up together...your twin S-elf may be the person that you measure others by...they may be there as a reminder of where we all came from....and above all they are there in the world as the other half of you...we all need someone to dream about!

posted March 15, 2005 05:38 PM         

I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly... are you having confusion over whether or not your boyfriend is your twin soul? I really liked 26's link to "The One;" I remember reading it a while ago and it really resonated with me. Especially PixelPixie's reply to it.

It's funny that this should come up... I was thinking about this last night. I'm afraid to jump the gun and say that my boyfriend is my twin soul, so I won't make that claim. So many strange things have happened since the second we met, and I'm trying to make sense of it. So much synchronicity. I want to talk about it, but none of my friends know anything about this stuff, so I'm kind of stuck. The simplest way I can describe my experience is with an analogy. I was thinking about cells, and how all of your organs are made up of cells, but all the organs are different. But cells can all be identified as cells because they share characteristics that make them so, regardless of what "type" of cell they are. Last night, I got a strong feeling of my soul, as being like the cells, and my intellect, my emotions, my physical body, being like the organs. At different times, each of these three things have said, "no" to my relationship, but never my soul. I'm notorious for leaving, but now I can't. I've never been able to really commit, but now I have no choice. A deep part of me feels like this is where I need to be. Spiraling further, I realized that if he were to leave, then I wouldn't try to hold on to him. But something about him saying "yes" and me saying "yes" simultaneously seems to activate some force that changes everything. In actuality, we have so many differences and challenges that we have questioned what it is that makes us stay. I'm afraid this must sound weird, but this is the analogy my intuition gave me. I understand it more coherently than what I can describe with an analogy, but this was the best way I could put it into layman's terms for myself. I am sharing this simply as my experience from which you can draw your own conclusions. I believe that we have many soul mates. I don't know if he is my twin soul, but I know that, for the first time, I don't feel like there might be something else out there for me. Maybe this will change as I grow. But I've never felt this so definitively as I do now.

P.S. I just checked our synastry and his Venus is conjunct my Pluto, and my Venus trines his. In our composite, our Venus and Pluto are sextile, all within two degrees.

posted March 15, 2005 06:00 PM         

I understood your analogy (stuff like that makes more sense to me than common stuff actually! I feel at home within mystic waters, lol).

You said you weren't sure whether I feel he is my twin soul. I do feel he is my twin soul, but not my twin s-elf. I am referring to 'Gooberz' and the words of Heathcliff the dog- he explains everything about soul mates and finding your true other half. It's been a while since I read it, but I remembered something whilst I was reading another thread. Only very evolved beings can unite with their actual twin s-elf.

I can relate to what you feel about needing to be with your boyfriend- that's just how I felt. There were lots of reasons why I shouldn't have let myself be drawn to him, but it was as though every fibre of my being compelled me to do so!

I'm curious- how did you calculate these aspects between you and your boyfriend? I used 'Relationship Signs' and ordered a chart off this site too. But I found out that my Venus (mine or his, not sure which way around) is only semi-sextile his Pluto when calculated accurately and mathematically. There are other very strong aspects too, including some very difficult ones. It all seems to suggest that this was meant to be.

Do you know whether your Venus is exactly conjunct his Pluto? Just curious.

I always hated maths!

posted March 15, 2005 11:48 PM         

The conj. is not exact... it's 2 degrees. What would be the difference between twin souls, soul mates, and twin selves? I read Gooberz twice, but it's been a while. What you said about being halves of each other rings very true for me. He and I are quite different from one another, and different selves from who we were before we got together. If we weren't together, I think we would go back to our same selves. What I mean is that with soul mates, I think you kind of stay with them until you change and grow and then sometimes you move on when the lessons have been learned/karma balanced, etc. With him, I feel like something is activated that would only be activated with him, and he feels the same way. It's a bit different from the growth changes I've experienced in the past. We both feel freer somehow since we've gotten together. And more complete... as in with one another in our lives, we kind of have everything between us. He doesn't believe in any of this kind of stuff, really, so I think it's interesting that he feels it, too. And it really was love at first sight for us, although neither of us believed in that before, either.

As far as calculations go, I got mine from astro.com. I don't know what aspects indicate twin selves... I'm a newbie at interpreting charts and I still have a lot to learn. I can relate to what you said about being compelled with every fiber of your being. We didn't even talk to each other for about three months after we met. But during that time, I KNEW I had to get to know him. It was bizarre. I didn't even want to date him, I just knew I had to have him in my life, but I thought I wanted him to be my friend. All from a brief meeting that wasn't even private or spectacular in any way. It was a meeting at school!

What is funny is that we actually went to grade school together 17 years before we "met." I wasn't friends with him, but I never forgot his name. It always came to me through the years at odd times. Turns out, this whole time he's had a picture at home of our class, and I'm in it, but he's not. We about died when we saw it! I hope I'm not rambling too much, but I find this experience very interesting, and I'm sharing mine and hope to see others share theirs!

posted March 16, 2005 08:11 AM         

I just wrote a long and lengthy reply to your post and had problems sending it- then it was lost! I will try again.

I don't remember Linda using the term 'soul mates'. That is rather a general term people use for 'The One'. Linda is very specific about the meanings in her writings, in the book 'Gooberz'. That's where the dog 'Heathcliff' comes in (who probably represents her higher S-elf).
He explains that only when all the pieces of One's S-elf have been put together, only when one is truely ready (through learning, by balancing their karma) can one then meet their true Twin S-elf. ('When the student is ready, the teacher will appear).

As far as I understand, Twin Souls are people who were meant to be together for a reason, who need to be together to allow them s-elves to grow. The 'Thunderbolt Path of Karma' is where one choses, before they are born, to allow little pieces of the soul or spirit to dwell for a time in other body temples....this accelerates their learning, the evolution of the soul. It may explain some of the 'fragments' some of us get.
The way I understand it, is that when we meet someone we have shared past lives with, and when we recognise one or more of the 'missing pieces' within them, then they are 'Twin Souls'.
Twin S-elves, however, can come together when they are ready, when they have evolved enough, and when all the karma has been balanced, lessons learnt. Twin S-elves are, in definition, two exact halves (not exactly twins, but two halves which perfectly compliment one another which gives off a very creative force, if that makes sense).

As far as charts go, I seem to remember that you're allowed a certain number of degrees to make an aspect a proper aspect- so your 2 degrees is well within that range! However, after asking for advice, some of the aspects I personally got from the Relationship Chart using Linda's method, were in fact not within that range. My Venus is only semi-sextile his Pluto. Maybe it doesn't matter. But Linda wrote that Trines and Sextiles usually represent Twin Souls whereas the conjunction COULD represent Twin S-elves. Personally, I've reserved my judgement to wait and see how things turn out.

I've been thinking about the dream I had when I was 9, about my Twin S-elf. That maybe he was a metaphor for something else- things which are maybe a part of me or would later experience.
In my dream, we were sailing on an ancient ship. His eyes were as the sea; windows to a soul of the deepest purety, of innocence and a desire for only riches of the eternal kind. When our eyes met, they seemed to gaze through my entire being, so that in one moment we were beyond space and Time. I did not know him, but I KNEW.
Perhaps that boy represented all that is innocent, all that is beauty, all that is pure; all that is God....or 'Christ Consciousness'?

In my dream, he was some kind of servant on the ship, was trying to become some kind of soldier I think, but adults were bullying him. There was a crowd, they were all watching as he was being flogged. My heart SCREAMED to break free and help him, but I was powerless.

This is how I feel towards the cruelty there is in the world towards the innocent. (But we should all realise we all start out as innocent- Psycholgy could become a tool in teaching us empathy, forgiveness).

The question is, Is there a way to stop being powerless, to be able to reach out and rescue those in need? I know we can all make a difference, but the fact that pain exists torments my soul. It is there in the dimension of time.

When I think of Neptune in my Twelfth house, I imagine that this is where my dream was made! However, the sea scares me- it is so deep, so unfathomable. I'm frightened of Neptune's spells and disillusions.

posted March 16, 2005 10:19 AM         

So, if I am reading you correctly, you are happy with your relationship, but want to know if he is your twin self? In any case, from what you've described, the two of you are supposed to be together right now for some reason. It's a wonderful feeling, isn't it!

posted March 17, 2005 07:15 AM         

I'm sure that my boyfriend and I were meant to be together, but I'm not sure if we are meant to be together anymore.......Its just very difficult to be with someone who doesn't share common goals with you and has completely different priorities in life- it feels like he is in a different spiritual classroom!
See what I mean?

Now, perhaps if I had stayed in the 'classroom' more, then I would be more mathematical and would be able to look at signs in the stars of where we are meant to be heading; if I should stay or move on. But I haven't, so I'll guess I'll have to turn this over in my head for longer (and try not to let lust decide on everything for me- I'm clearly not happy with the way things are!)

Enough moaning! There are plenty of other things to be grateful for in life!