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Deira
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posted May 18, 2005 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deira     Edit/Delete Message
What other factors in your chart hint about what type of person you're attracted to? According to mom, I was born in the morning making my ascendent either Sag or Cap. The Sag seems to fit me more, but I have always been attracted to Caps. Every single serious bf has been a Cap, except for my current relationship and he's a Cancer the opposite of Cap. If my rising is Sag, why don't I like Gemini's (the descendent)? Also, none of my personal planets are in Cap???

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jwhop
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posted May 18, 2005 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not aware of any month when an AM (morning) birth would restrict the rising sign to either Sagittarius or Capricorn.

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zoso
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posted May 18, 2005 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoso     Edit/Delete Message
My asc is in Cap (15 minutes before, would have been a Sag rising) and I've yet to be attracted to gemi's.

My only and long-term relationship is with a Cap.

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Deira
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posted May 18, 2005 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deira     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jwhop,


I was born at home, and my actual birth time wasn't recorded. My mom says she thinks its between 8:30 to 9:00, and I checked on astro.com If at 8:30, sag rising and if at 9:00, Cap rising

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GemStar
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posted May 18, 2005 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemStar     Edit/Delete Message
Your Venus will show you what attracts you...another person's Venus in the same sign or that person's Sun sign in your Venus sign can be an attracting factor for you.

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Tranquil Poet
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posted May 18, 2005 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tranquil Poet     Edit/Delete Message
I attract to many signs. It sucks.

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jwhop
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posted May 18, 2005 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
As you can by these identifiers of Saggi and Cappy rising signs, there's quite a contrast between them. You might be able to identify with one or the other by reading and asking yourself which is most like you.

Sagittarius
If your Rising Sign is in Sagittarius, happy is how people see you. Doesn't matter if you're in a foul mood, you look for all the world to be the consummate optimist, the open, friendly adventurer typified by Sagittarius. On the other hand, Sagittarians are often restless and contentious; they bore easily and sometimes pick fights for the fun of it. You give an impression of such indifference that others may say some crazy, unexpected or even hurtful things to you, expecting their comments to roll right off your back! You can't help it -- you're just exuding that characteristic Archer cool.

Capricorn
If your Rising Sign is Capricorn, people would be shocked if you act eccentrically, as Sea Goats exude an old-fashioned, authoritative aura. Even if you feel like the life of the party, others expect you to be the picture of industriousness, the boss figure with an impeccible sense of decorum and tradition. You may intimidate others with your intense demeanor, but they'll look to you for order. Negatively, Caps can come across as pessimistic and hypercritical. If you can figure out how to use the Capricorn influence to your advantage, you could get your foot in almost any door.

Sagittarius Rising
Breezy and outgoing, but you are not at your best in the long-term concentration department. You like to flit about both socially and artistically-trying first this, then that. You have many acquaintances and admirers, but few real friends. Some people find you too hard to keep up with. You love to be on the move and variety IS definitely your spice of life! Your inclinations run towards religion and philosophy. And you can be very talkative when it comes to those subjects. Jumping out of an airplane is both a sport and a spiritual experience for you. If female, you were the 'tomboy"; if male you like your adventures in natural surroundings. You tend to experience big ups and bigger downs and sometimes all within the same five minutes. You are a strange combination of the quite ordinary and surprisingly unconventional. You have a wonderful sense of humor and a quirky outlook on life. Gregarious party animal that you are, you have your definite limits as to what you will tolerate. Folks would be wise not to goad you into a real rage-they wouldn't really like you when you are angry.

Capricorn Rising
You are delicate early in life, but very healthy as you mature. You are the typical "late bloomer' and really don't come into your full power until middle age. Extremely sensitive and shy by nature, you have developed a tough 'outer' personality just to survive. Ambitious and hard working, you do your duty as you see it. Just don't let anyone load you up with trivial tasks-if it isn't important work, you are just not into it. You may seem cold or distant on the surface, but you often have a quirky sense of humor that you share only with those closest to you. Reserved with strangers, you love intensely and passionately those whom you have chosen to include in your small inner circle. A friend for life, people really have to work to get you angry, but if they do, they will probably be quite surprised at the level of anger that you can generate when pushed to the wall.

Sagittarius rising
is cheerful, bright, hopeful, changing, versatile, adventurous, outspoken, straightforward, outgoing, independent, free, warm, friendly, honorable, noble, and visionary. One likes to explore either by traveling or intellectually or spiritually. Personality is warm honest, goal-oriented, freedom-loving, and vivacious. One takes aim for each goal, but upon reaching it sees another ahead and is often athletic, loving nature and the outdoors.

Capricorn rising
is serious, controlled, cautious, prudent, practical, ambitious, profound, responsible, industrious, conservative, thrifty, authoritative, and organized. One likes to plan and then implement practical objectives and can handle heavy responsibilities. Personality is fatherly, traditional, careful, paternal or patriarchal, sensual, persevering, and hard-working. One's sense of honor may allow others to get one's goat.

Sagittarius Ascendant
endows you with the type of flexible personality that works well for you. Because of your need for independence and freedom, you tend to find yourself in changing circumstances and different environments. Such changes of course require a certain amount of adaptability. With a Sagittarian ascendant, you are inclined to put marriage off until later in life (or skip it altogether) unless you find an understanding partner who does not attempt to be possessive or confine you. Once such an acceptable marriage arrangement is made however, the Archer adapts and makes a stable, loyal spouse.

You are full of energetic enthusiasm. However, your enthusiasm is not always accompanied by unflagging physical energy. You may, in fact, tend to be lazy unless highly motivated to perform. It is often difficult to engage in boring routine exercise and in spite of your innate restlessness and propensity for rushing around in a myriad of activities, you are quite capable of being unwilling (or unable) to keep yourself trim and in good physical shape. Though often rash and hasty, your passions are sincere and inspirational.

Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter, planet of inspiration, wisdom, good fortune, and abundance. You are inclined to be spiritually or philosophically oriented, talkative, intellectually curious, and, at times, perhaps a bit too impressed with status and wealth. Your natural exuberance and generosity are responsible for unrestrained abundance. Like those with Gemini rising, you are apt to demonstrate any one of a wide range of orientations and abilities: from being a great teacher, writer, scholar or researcher, all the way down to engaging in the flimflam of con artistry and the intellectual emptiness of copying the originality and talent of others.

You are usually very honest, though it is also true that your too-candid remarks can sometimes be misinterpreted as rudeness. Negative influences associated with Sagittarius rising stimulate a tendency for self-indulgence, which makes you pompous, grossly overweight, dependent on drugs or alcohol, or too opinionated and cynical. On the positive side, Sagittarius gives a love of drama and the theatre, good food and drink, dancing, sports, animals, and, as a rule, you'll never miss an opportunity to travel. You are likely to be involved with publishing, education, religion, art, or music, either as a profession or hobby.

Capricorn Rising
endows an energetic, success-oriented personality, with the determination to achieve your personal goals. The shrewdness and open ambition associated with the sun or moon in Capricorn does not always show up so overtly in the personality of those with Capricorn Ascendant but these traits are present nevertheless. You could be a very capable manager or supervisor, willing to accept responsibilities and positions of authority.

You strongly identify with the material world and tangible assets. You are unlikely to adopt easy-going, "take me as I am" attitudes, for you feel more comfortable with formality. You want to be aware of all the rules of social conduct and adapt your actions to fit these structures. Consciously or subconsciously you specifically choose the company of people who make you look good. It is not unusual for handsome Capricorn Rising males to select less attractive wives or, beautiful Capricorn Rising women to select less attractive female friends.

Ruled by Saturn, lord of structure, restriction and longevity, you may have experienced a difficult birth or restricted childhood. However, it hardly matters what particular difficulties life presents you with, for your biggest challenge is always you in yourself. You feel dissatisfaction with some aspect of your personality or appearance and may develop conflicting behaviour to deal with these feelings when they surface. One side of your character is prone to practice strict self denial, while the other longs to abandon itself to hedonistic pleasures, perhaps as as a form of self destruction. At every turn you confront fears and insecurity. How well you deal with the conflict marks your success as a well-adjusted adult. Fortunately, these conflicts seem to settle into perspective as you get older.

Capricorn ruling the first house raises the competitive spirit and by no means dictates the presence of a sombre or colourless personality. On the contrary, it implies individuals with overcompensatingly cheerful personalities, who willingly accept responsibilities and hardships which they feel they were born to endure. There is always a choice to be made and the right one is never easy, because it usually involves success which must be earned.

Your abstemious eating habits help you avoid gaining too much weight. Sensitive skin, finely textured hair, brittle bones, and dental difficulties are common physical complaints.

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Deira
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posted May 19, 2005 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deira     Edit/Delete Message
TY Jwhop, that is very helpful. I have a lot of the Sag, but I am a Sag sun. I'm fairly sure I'm a Cap rising, that would explain a lot

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jwhop
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posted May 19, 2005 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well Deira, the fact you're also a Sag sun sign is perhaps significant...or course it is But consider, if you are also a Sag rising, that's doubling up and a reinforcement of an underlying personality type.

Is there any reason....given the descriptions of Capricorn rising that you believe you fit that profile?

It's pretty important, for you, that you determine what your rising sign really is since your entire house system depends on it.

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Deira
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posted May 21, 2005 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deira     Edit/Delete Message
*Ruled by Saturn, lord of structure, restriction and longevity, you may have experienced a difficult birth or restricted childhood. However, it hardly matters what particular difficulties life presents you with, for your biggest challenge is always you in yourself* That is very true, I am extremly self-critical. Fear is my biggest downfall, as I often doubt myself. I'm a perfectionst, and get into the trap of procastinating due to fear of not doing things right. My birth was a turmbulent time for my parents, I always felt older even though I always looked younger than my peers. The part about the sensitive skin also applies, almost anything gives me an allergic rash. As for the Sag, its very strong in my chart in a stellium. I relate to many a Sag trait, but I don't think others see me as a Sag until they get to know me. I'm usually shy and withdrawn when surrounded by people I don't know too well. I'm only outoging and social once I really know someone.

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jwhop
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posted May 21, 2005 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well good Deira. Now that you've figured out your rising sign, you know which signs fall in your houses.

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