Lindaland
  Soul Unions
  Hey, I am curious about something...

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Hey, I am curious about something...
pixelpixie
Moderator

Posts: 900
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005

posted July 24, 2005 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I have googled to no avail....
Contact ... (like exact!) With the angles in synastry.
My Ascendant is exactly conjunct the IC of someone.
By degree.
So.. My first house, with their fourth house.
I can't find anything about it, but it feels important.
Anyone have any insight for me, please?

IP: Logged

Sun_Scorpion
Knowflake

Posts: 1292
From: Devon, UK
Registered: Aug 2003

posted July 24, 2005 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sun_Scorpion     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm, looked and looked and spotted this... not sure if it is any help though! Thought you might want to see anyway!

'Why the Angles are so Important

--and some insight about Suicide

We know the Angles are all-important.

Any planet on an Angle or, say, within two degrees of an Angle, or squaring an Angle tightly is going to command a front-and-center position in analysis.

Conjunct or square the Midheaven-IC axis: much will be said in terms of parental interaction, work-choice and demeanor, status, these dimensions focusing all-importantly within the personality development. We see Queen Elizabeth with Saturn conjunct the Midheaven, Hemingway with Uranus conjunct the IC (a most unusual family situation), Jackie Kennedy, Neptune on the Midheaven; Prince Charles, Neptune on the IC; Leonardo da Vinci, Saturn on the Midheaven (shunned by his parents from birth)..

Conjunct the Ascendant-Descendant axis: much will be said in terms of personal identity projection and public interaction. We see Audrey Hepburn with Neptune on the 7th; Hugh Hefner, Uranus on the 7th; Martin Luther King and Jacques Cousteau, Jupiter on the Ascendant; Tony Blair, Mars on the Ascendant; Judy Garland, Pluto on the Ascendant; Queen Victoria, Sun-Moon on the Ascendant; Beethoven, Uranus on the 7th (marked eccentricity).

The Midheaven is determined by the time of our birth. The Ascendant is determined by the place of our birth. The time and place of our birth give us the indelible, individual orientation each of us has toward our life. This Grand Cross of axes sights us, aims us into the developmental time and experiential space of all of life. The Houses issue from these Angles. We become, we are our Angles.

This is precisely why rectification can ONLY be accomplished through exacting reference to the Angles, not to some simple planetary placement in some House somewhere. The Angles, receiving Arcs and major transits throughout life development, respond symbolically to mark the time and place of birth. Determination of the proper Angles is the sine qua non of rectification in astrology.

Disorientation

In the study of the onset or climax of critical illness, we see over and over and over again the activation of the Angles of the horoscope. We constantly see Pluto, then Neptune and Saturn in the main, along with the startling quindecile aspect, active within human systemic and somatic breakdown. –We sense that, under change (including aging) or some disorientation (disappointment), our mortal system easily falters.

We can see as well that the Arc or Transit of Neptune over or square an Angle of the horoscope corresponds most often to the elimination or blurring of ego definition, a “wipe-out” of some kind through drugs and/or alcohol, through delusion, through fantasy, through bewildering circumstance. This correspondence seems to occur more powerfully with the engagement of an Angle than it does even in relation to the Sun or Moon!

Suicide is, of course, the ultimate critical illness –and it is the third leading cause of death among American adolescents (In young adults, it is the second leading cause of death). World psychiatric experts see suicide as the result of holistic psychological pain rather than as the result of a specific psychological disease. Psychoanalyst Edwin Shneidman, who has studied suicide for some 50 years and is author of the leading text about it (The Suicidal Mind, Oxford University Press, 1996) writes, “We live our lives in pursuit of psychological needs. When an individual commits suicide, that person is trying to blot out psychological pain that stems from thwarted psychological needs ‘vital’ for that person.” --In short this is a short-circuit of our orientation within life, grown to its intolerable maximum.

Shneidman’s research points up that relationships with the father are more critical than relationships with the mother with reference to early warning patterns. Seeds of rejection are planted in the individual’s mind. Then there are the measures of success or lack of it –objective measurement and self-measurement. Those who feel they are “ambitious, capable, competitive, contented, fair-minded, intelligent, out-going, reasonable, secure, self-controlled, sincere, and sophisticated” are dramatically less liable to commit suicide.

The trait-labels ascribed to the “least successful” are “cautious, defensive, depressed, dissatisfied, frustrated, lonely, reserved, and vulnerable.” These traits mark the beginnings of disorientation, i.e., are deficit-significant.

--There is much more presented on this subject in Tyl: The Astrological Timing of Critical Illness.”

A key point can easily be made here: in the list of traits, note the emphasis of traits that are concomitant with the Angles of any horoscope!: parental interaction; success on the job; personal projection; perceived/objective status orientation.

When Ernest Hemingway shot himself (as his father had done), tr Pluto was exactly on his Ascendant Angle, with tr Saturn simultaneously opposed his Sun. SA Moon had just crossed his 7th cusp.

Actor Brian Keith, learning that he had cancer, committed suicide with tr Pluto exactly on his Ascendant, tr Uranus square his Moon, and SA Uranus opposed his Sun.

Michel Gauquelin committed suicide just as SA Neptune was leaving conjunction with his IC, opposing his Midheaven, with SA Saturn exactly square his Sun, and SA Uranus exactly opposed his Moon.

Adolph Hitler committed suicide with SA Pluto-Neptune exactly square his Ascendant.

All of these acts of suicide could have been anticipated –warded off?—astrologically.

Suicide ends confusion, frustration, and disorientation. “Ending it all” means just that.

The Angles figure prominently in such disorientation and, with clinical study of suicide, we learn that early-warning signs are so often all too clear as they accumulate. Tied with the astrology of the Angles, we can understand much about orientation and disorientation in life; purpose and process. '

Sorry about the suicide info!! Probably dont need to read that!!!

Also found a load of 'IC-Conjunct-' all the 9 planets but not sure if anything in your chart conjuncts their IC..? Also, its actually for a natal chart not relationship, but I figured you could probably apply it to a relationship too!! Maybe if you have another planet in Leo in your chart you could look at that particular planets conjunction to the IC... um....
In bold at the bottom- http://www.dearbrutus.com/angularity.html

And after googling- 'IC Ascendant' I found this, couldnt quite understand it (regards Paul & Linda Mcartney)-

'..if one person's angles (Ascendant/Descendant axis or the Midheaven/ I.C. axis) is simply located in the same Zodiac Sign (Sign conjunct) as the other person's Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars; then that can spell out a very strong potential for mutual romantic attraction.'

And- 'Opposite the MC on the chart wheel is the imum coeli, or IC, located at the six o'clock position, which is also the start of the Fourth House. The IC looks inward and represents childhood, home and family.
+
This is the area of our deepest concern for security and shelter. The issues here are home, traditions, stability, and nurturing. This is where you seek comfort and protection. Your activities here will be private and concealed.'
But you probably already know this.

Hope that helps!!!

IP: Logged

pixelpixie
Moderator

Posts: 900
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005

posted July 24, 2005 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for looking into it!

I think I willl check out that 'soulmate article' again.. the Paul and Linda one you quoted.. I may find some more there....
Thanks dolly!!!!

IP: Logged

Nasya
Knowflake

Posts: 52
From:
Registered: Jul 2005

posted July 24, 2005 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nasya     Edit/Delete Message
I have read in quite a few online articles that when angles are conjunct in this way it signifies a karmic bond( i read this mostly in soulmate astrology articles and if i find one again, i'll put it up here.)

Hope it helped.

IP: Logged

Nasya
Knowflake

Posts: 52
From:
Registered: Jul 2005

posted July 24, 2005 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nasya     Edit/Delete Message
Something i found on angle conjs.-

Soulmate Astrology


''Karmic & Soul Mate Connections in Astrology

Things to look for in Synastry:
Feel The Rhythm: Ascendant Connections

Never underestimate the power of the Ascendant! It may be easy to underplay, or even dismiss altogether, the Ascendant’s role in interpersonal relationships when we think of the Ascendant as the “mask” we wear when we meet others. If the Ascendant is a mere mask, shouldn’t it only be important at the very beginning of a relationship? We don’t think so. In fact, we feel that the Ascendant has an ongoing, vital role in relationships of all kinds, including long-lasting, one-to-one relationships. We have found that interplays between Ascendants can be the source of basic conflict or harmony, on a body level.
Remember as well that the Ascendant defines the Descendant, which is a highly sensitive relationship point in the natal chart.''



IP: Logged

Nasya
Knowflake

Posts: 52
From:
Registered: Jul 2005

posted July 24, 2005 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nasya     Edit/Delete Message
Pixie, here's some more info about angle conj.from another article on the net.I can post the entire article (on love and relationship astrology by stephen m.smith where he basically writes about the soul mate aspects)too but the following is the most relevant portion for you. -

''Since by definition a soul mate is one who elicits another's experience of Body-Soul reunification, astrological indication of such in synastric analysis will focus on aspects that stimulate perimeter experience, i.e., increased sensitivity to the presence of Soul just beyond the perimeters of Body. Since it the angles that describe these perimeters, the first indicator to look for are strong angular aspects between the charts. Certainly, conjunctions of one party's planets to the other party's angles is a strong indicator of soul mate potential, especially within proscribed orbs of 1° - 3° for personal planets (Sun to Saturn) and 1° - 2° for transpersonal planets (Chiron to Pluto). Orbs for the luminaries can be extended to 5° although, of course, the tighter orb the more intense the stimulation. Transpersonal conjunctions indicate the capacity for exciting the Soul of the other party but do not, by themselves, necessarily indicate a personal relationship. Party A's Neptune conjunct Party B's Nadir, for example, may indicate a composer whose music has the power to inspire deep feelings of longing for home and family in the listener. There will need to be other, more intimate indicators in the charts for this to take on the personal dimensions of a soul mate relationship. Squares and tightly orbed sesquiquadrates and semisquares will also indicate significant soul mate potential, as will just about any luminary aspects to the angles irregardless of type. Strong contact between the angles of the charts will be also denote soul mate prospects at play but tend to remain dormant until and unless they are activated by Transits and/or Secondary Progressions. If the angle Ruler of one chart tightly conjuncts or squares the angle of another in this situation then the need for such activation is significantly reduced. If two angle Rulers are in mutual reception then the meaning of those angles become interlocked whether the angles themselves make any contact at all. Stelliums of one party's planets in the other party's Angular Houses can function just like a planetary conjunction to the Angle itself although it may manifest as an imbalance in the relationship that must first be worked through before the full potential of the soul mate connection can be realized. Remember that these are real human beings we are discussing and that any stimulation of the Body-Soul perimeters will resonate throughout one's total experience. The conjunction of Party A's Venus to Party B's Ascendant may most strongly manifest in Party B's increased sense of personal beauty in Party A's presence but all the other angles, or Fields of Life, will experience the outgrowth of this sense as well.''



IP: Logged

pixelpixie
Moderator

Posts: 900
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005

posted July 25, 2005 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Nasya!

IP: Logged

Gemini Nymph
Knowflake

Posts: 635
From:
Registered: Jul 2004

posted July 25, 2005 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting stuff Sun Scorp...to get on topic a little here, I went to did so checking and found that indeed during one of the worst periods of my depression (summer of 2001), when I was having constant, compulsive thoughts of suicide, that tr Pluto at 12 Sag was conjunct my IC, opposing my Mercury and forming a Grand Cross with my Pluto-Moon-Mercury/Sun t-square.

ALso tr Saturn at 12 Gem was exactly opposed tr Pluto, which made it conjunct by 1 degree my MC, and conjunct my natal t-square's apex (Mercury conjunct Sun)....while I suspect this tr Staurn played a role in in how severe my depression was at the time, i wonder if it also played a role in my ability to get through that period, get help and overcome it.

I should note that at the peak of this period, when i did get help (end of July 2001), that tr Pluto-Saturn opposition formed a rectangle with tr Sun at 7 Leo opposing tr Neptune at 7 Aqu. Wild!

Thanks for posting that - it's very insightful.

IP: Logged

pixelpixie
Moderator

Posts: 900
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005

posted July 25, 2005 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message

I love when that happens.... so the message wasn't for me, it was for you!

IP: Logged

Sun_Scorpion
Knowflake

Posts: 1292
From: Devon, UK
Registered: Aug 2003

posted July 25, 2005 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sun_Scorpion     Edit/Delete Message
WOW!!! Thats so weird... but totally cool!! I had this feeling not to edit anything out of that.. dont know why! I felt it wasn't for Pixie, but I should leave it in there!! Strange hey!! Im so happy it was insightful for you Gemini Nymph!
(Strange these things seem to keep happening lately with me!! Odd hey!!)

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright © 2005

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a