posted February 15, 2006 06:17 AM         

I've had wonderful relationships with people and we've remained great friends afterwards so it's not necessarily a case of me being hell to be with... I hope! It just seems to be something I'm destined to miss out on this time round.

posted February 15, 2006 08:24 AM         

On the other hand, Libra men love to marry, why not be up front with what you really want to the men friends in your life and ask them to set you up? You can find people who are more positive about the idea, since it's an idea right now, you need positive feedback. Then you can choose someone based on like goals rather than companionship.

I find all men are marriage types, except Aquarians, if you are the aggressor. It sounds like you are mainly passive, waiting, but it's up to the woman to choose.

And nothing makes a man feel more virile, alive and grateful than a woman who wants to be with only him,

Recently I started telling men I wanted to have a baby and if they were pursuing the social thing, instead of the real thing, to leave me alone. The really commitment loving type ones jumped out of the woodwork as soon as I was firm and make it serious.

So to get serious you have to act serious, and start presenting yourself as ready to jump into the next level but with hearts, flowers, and a ceremony in Las Vegas, or Bermuda.

Oddly enough I have a Libra and a Sag male battling it out for me because I am very blunt. I will carry those genes but only for the best.

Of course I am a Taurus ruled by Venus like yourself.

It is rewarding to start looking at men as relationship/marriage material first. I know it's dry but you can fall in love with anyone who loves you.

posted February 15, 2006 11:13 AM         

I think maybe my original post may have been misleading in that I may have sounded a bit more wistful than I actually am, and consequently may have given the impression that I feel I need to marry to be happy. I'm not desperate to marry for the sake of it, just curious as to why it's never come up for me as yet. That caused me to muse on whether there is any astrological indicator in a person's chart that would suggest that one might never marry. I thought it would be interesting to find out as I've always been quite ambivalant about it to be honest - I suppose it's only now that I feel I really have met 'the one' and the fact that he's hinted at marriage that I've even thought about it seriously.

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I know it's dry but you can fall in love with anyone who loves you.

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I'm afraid I can't do that - my heart just doesn't work that way - sometimes I wish it did as that would be very handy, but it's just not me. I have a very stubborn heart and it resolutely chooses to love regardless of reciprocation I'm afraid!

I am completely in love with my Aqua man - we've lived together for about a year now and so far we haven't stabbed each other over the corn flakes so I guess you could say it's going fine!

I've actually realised something very important, even since I posted that this morning; I love him more than anything and I know that he feels the same about me as we tell each other often enough. Now that is infinately more important to me than any ring or piece of paper that we could obtain. We have discussed things and both want to have a child together which I think is one of the most beautiful ways of declaring your love for one another - to manifest it in a completely new human being born of that love.

Being with him is more important to me than walking down an aisle at the end of the day - and marriage/living together both amount to the same thing really when you measure them against each other. After all, being married is no guarantee that things won't change. I suppose it might have sounded as though I'm passively waiting for him to propose; but actually I'm not waiting for anything. I have chosen him; if that includes marriage at some point then so be it, and if not then that's also fine with me.

I'm still interested to know if it's 'written in the stars' that I'm not going to be married however as it would answer my curiousity that's all.

posted February 15, 2006 11:21 AM         

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Scorpio sun, venus, mars, mercury, and uranus
Libra moon, pluto, and asc.

posted February 15, 2006 11:31 AM         

I have it on good authority, that you and he will marry, and that it won't be that long before the plans materialize...

posted February 15, 2006 02:23 PM         

Who knows you may get pregnant one of these days by the OOPS method,

I'm teasing but if it does happen,
Congrats in advance,
(it's the virgo in me)

posted February 15, 2006 03:09 PM         

those things aren't needed, it's what's in your heart, and how you feel...

posted February 15, 2006 03:55 PM         

just so you know, I have basically every indication in my chart that marriage is not for me.. yet I am. I'm not always settled within about it, but I am happy now.

posted February 15, 2006 04:57 PM         

Thanks for understanding where I'm at hon you've hit the nail on the head! to you xx

posted February 15, 2006 07:18 PM         

Well, let's see for me:

Cap Sun = Stable long term relationships
7th House Stellium = Focus on partnership
Venus in the 7th = Desire for constant relationships

but I also have:

Gemini Rising = Bored easily
Pluto in Libra =

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This placement lasts from 1971 to 1984. For those who are now adults, this period represents the greatest breakdown in modern history in the relationship of marriage. Many couples live together without getting married, and those that marry often do not stay married. Because of the general instability of their parents' marriages, the children of this era will have a much more fluid but unstable view of relationships and mutual commitments between people. They may be very reluctant to make binding agreements because of their childhood experience of marriage.

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This generation of children deals with relationships differently from others. They do not accept traditional patterns, and when they are grown up they will find entirely new kinds of relationships, both sexual and otherwise. They are likely to have rather unusual aesthetic tastes as well, and they may establish new artistic and cultural patterns. As a rule, these children require a great deal of freedom in relationships and do not want to be pinned down to emotional commitments. Their relationships will probably be made and broken at an astonishing rate of speed.

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Who knew planets in Libra would discourage traditional marriage?

posted February 16, 2006 02:16 AM         

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manipulative control tactics and power plays within relationships

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Sounds like every relationship I've had with a Cardinal Sun, which is almost all of them.

posted February 16, 2006 06:02 AM         

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I have Sun square Moon, too! Let's get married!

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Hurrah!! My first proposal!!!

Yeah I've also got Pluto in Libra and isn't it ironic that the sign of partnership/marriage etc when in that generational position should cause us all to be unstable homewreckers?! Who knew? Maybe it's because we're so concerned with partnerships and getting them balanced properly that we have to try everything out before we achieve that balance? After all, a lot of previous generations married for life, not necessarily out of love but out of duty - once you were together you stayed together even if you hated each other, because that was what was expected of you. I'd rather be with someone for love and not because I've made my bed and now I've got to lie in it!

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They may be very reluctant to make binding agreements because of their childhood experience of marriage.

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I do understand that - my parents marriage was a rocky one and eventually broke up - they loved and cared deeply for each other but weren't in love. They ended up being best friends and I take my hat off to them for that.

Funnily enough, I've never imagined myself (as many of my friends seemed to) getting married. I never dreamed of weddings and have never really thought about it at all until now; and that's only because he's mentioned it a few times and it's got me thinking about the whole thing. I do know that the standard kind of wedding with churches and bridesmaids and confetti etc wouldn't mean anything to me, and I know it wouldn't to Garry. I think if we ever do, it's more likely to be a Wiccan handfasting perhaps or even better, something we make up ourselves. Something personal to us with no big public show.

HD thank you so much!! You always go into things in such depth and put such work into interpreting people's charts and transits - it's so kind of you and I really do appreciate it.

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so mr.date may ' see/sense ' .. motherly type cancer asc at odds with some seemingly unstable electric 'independence' vibe off natal Urns in 'relating' Libra ... it could make a person ( the 'other' ) balk somewhat as to whether a heavy 'commitment' type question would be a safe option .. as in "do you want to spend the rest of your life with me .. for better or worse .. till death do part " ...

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That is so true! Well at least I recognise those aspects of myself and the constant conflict they create so I suppose that others close to me must have noticed/sensed it too. I would feel unsure about someone if I sensed those conflicting personas within them I suppose so that explains an awful lot!

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put tLillith to good use .. with yer man

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posted February 16, 2006 06:35 AM         

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This placement lasts from 1971 to 1984. For those who are now adults, this period represents the greatest breakdown in modern history in the relationship of marriage. Many couples live together without getting married, and those that marry often do not stay married. [i]bBecause of the general instability of their parents' marriages, the children of this era will have a much more fluid but unstable view of relationships and mutual commitments between people.[/b] They may be very reluctant to make binding agreements because of their childhood experience of marriage.

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posted February 17, 2006 05:37 AM         

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she be sextiling your merc 'till the 26th of Feb

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posted February 20, 2006 02:34 PM         

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Anyway... ... CardinalGal, mainly, I just wanted to tell you how very much your energy is appreciated... Thanks

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posted February 20, 2006 03:52 PM         

AG~ I had to laugh at yer post about Pluto in Libra. I may be doomed since my Sun & Pluto are conjunct (1*orb) in the 4th house hehe. We have one of those unconventional relationship thingies. My guy and I have been living together for just over a year now. It has nothing to do with my parents' example though (they've been married for 43 years and counting!). So perhaps for me, I've got quite an example to live up to and don't want to muck it up.

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