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silvermoon
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posted April 03, 2006 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvermoon     Edit/Delete Message
For anyone who might know or have some insight concerning Karmic Soulmates- I would appreciate your input.After reading purple scorp's thread and having been through a similiar(although not identical) situation I was told by several psychically attuned people that he was a karmic soulmate. Someone went further to say that in a past life he was a lover who had let me down. According to her,we both decided to meet up again as he had agreed to make things up to me in this lifetime.
If this be true, and he has once more renegged on his promise, does anyone know if I can somehow
sever this tie once and for all ?
Just wondering,
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jwhop
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posted April 03, 2006 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
silvermoon, if this was a romantic relationship gone bad and you're wondering if there's a karmic aspect to it; I would look for a square or opposition aspect between Venus and Pluto in your synastry chart.

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silvermoon
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posted April 03, 2006 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvermoon     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks jwhop, I'll look into that- it will be interesting to see if it bears out.

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Love
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posted April 04, 2006 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Silvermoon ~ I had the same thing happen recently (I am a Cancer and he's a Scorpio) and I was wondering the same thing. Bleh.

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AcousticGod
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posted April 04, 2006 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
What do the square and opposition aspects between Venus and Pluto mean?

My Venus is in Sag (10 degrees)
Her Pluto is in Virgo (28 degrees -conjunct my Moon)

I know 18 degrees is pretty wide for an orb, but this relationship is intriguing and the first to feel like there could be Karmic ties.

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Selena
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posted April 04, 2006 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message
Hello,

Another Cancer with Scorpio experience in the past joining in. God, how many Can-Sco relationships can we have on this forum, hehe.
And we had exact (less than 1 degree, approaching) Venus-Pluto square.
But I don't know if this only describes doomed relationships. I just watched the movie "Walk the Line" (with delicious Scorpio Joaquin Phoenix, by the way), it is the true love story between June Carter and Johny Cash. After watching it, I was intrigued by their synastry, as it was one of those big love stories, real soul-mate thing, and, as everyone knows, it lasted till they died. Well, they had an exact Venus-Pluto square in their synastry!!! She was Cancer and he was Pisces, another water couple...Although, Magi astrologers pounced to say that it was so long lasted and wonderful because of numerous good Chiron aspects between them, but I have no idea about these things...
But, sorry, I have no idea how to sever a karmic tie. Mine still lingers on in my memory, I think I will never forget it, the emotion like that is unforgettable....

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lalalinda
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posted April 04, 2006 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
you sever karmic ties by forgiving.

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GemStar
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posted April 04, 2006 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemStar     Edit/Delete Message
Karmic ties are also notated by synastry connections to the Nodes. Check those out.

AG-18 degrees orb is waaaaay too far apart to be truly a strong aspect. There are most likely other areas of depth which connected you both.

PS-There is nothing wrong with having lovely memories of someone you loved. Just let it be, forgive and move on in your Life journey. Certainly there will be others you will meet along the way. Be open to meeting them......

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CapGirl
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posted April 04, 2006 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Selena~

Where did you find the synastry info. on Johnny Cash and June Carter? I'd love to read it.

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Selena
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posted April 04, 2006 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message
Hi CapGirl,

I actually haven't found it anywhere, I just found their birth info, and made their synastry charts in Astro.com, and I saw, among other aspects, Venus-Pluto square.
But there is an article about them on magi astrology site, there is the link http://www.magiastrology.com/interpretation_software/cashcarter.htm

And these are their birth infos:

J. R. Cash was born on February 26, 1932 in Kingsland, Arkansas.
Valerie June Carter was born on June 23, 1929 in Maces Springs, Virginia.
There is no time of birth, so no houses unfortunately, but I just make up any time of birth, to see the aspects between their planets in synastry.
Aspects and planets in signs are always the same, regardless of the hour of birth (granted, the moon sign may change after several hours, but often it is still the same on that day). Cheers, S.

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jwhop
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posted April 04, 2006 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Venus Opposed or Square Pluto
Linda Goodman~Relationship Signs

What did you two do to each other in one or more past lives? It had to be serious to be so strongly reflected now in this one through such a potent mutual karmic aspect.


When your relationship explodes now and then, it will usually be Venus who gets the worst of the bargain. Why? Because in any kind of conflict or confrontation, Pluto has more strength and staying power. The problems may often--not always, but often begin when Venus finds a dozen ways to frustrate Pluto, maybe not deliberately but the result is the same.

Of course, it would be helpful if you could both have total recall of former lives together, so you could remember just what was said and done by each to the other. That would make it easier to balance the scales of atonement between you.

But without such total recall, you'll just have to deal with the stress and tension by realizing that something went wrong..back then and making an effort to cancel it as best you can.

One way would be for Pluto to loan some of that strength to Venus instead of using it as a weapon of control, and for Venus to stop fearing Pluto's tendency to get even, and to replace resentment with charm. Pluto can use lots of lessons in charm!

Or, if all else fails, just say to each other, "I'm very sorry for whatever I did to you that I can't remember, but whatever it was, please forgive me, and let's get on with our trip down the Yellow Brick Road together." Who could resist such lovely logic?

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CapGirl
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posted April 04, 2006 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Does a karmic tie/aspect, such as the venus-pluto square, preclude the relationship from being one of soulmates??

Selena~thank you. I did not know that birth-times do NOT affect the arcs/orbs of synastry? I mean, would the birthtime alter to some "degree(s)" (literally) the planet's exact position within the sign?

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CapGirl
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posted April 04, 2006 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting synastry on Cash and Carter- they do have alot of aspects involving Chiron, like Magi says. Alot of healing going on there, which definitely fits w/ the drug-alcohol issues. Then there's alot of squares and difficult aspects though too; a very complex relationship.

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Selena
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posted April 04, 2006 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selena     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Cappy,

You are welcome! No, the time of birth won't afect the planets in signs and orbs, in the natal chart or synastry, except for the Moon, because the Moon moves very quickly. But it stays in one sign for approx. 2.5 days, so you can often be certain that even the moon sign is correct (but not a degree), as long as someone is not born right at the time when the moon changes from one sign to the other.
Of course, without the time of birth you can't ascertain the houses and the angles, but you can still get a good info from planets in the signs and aspects between them.
This is my little game occassionally. Whenever some couple takes my interest (say, someone has been together forever, or someone has just broken up, or they are just interesting) I find their date/place of birth on the Net, make their charts on astro.com (putting in any time of birth, usually 12pm) and have fun looking at their aspects and trying to see how those aspects might have influenced their relationship.
It is very interesting when you know a lot about someone's relationship, to have a look at their synastry, it is really fun and quite revealing sometimes. Sometimes, if I know really well how they affected one another, I try to guess what houses were also affected in their synastry, but of course, this is only a guessing game.
Magi astrologers are really into Chiron, it is really interesting concept, but I don't know much about it, and would like to read more about it. Incidentally, with the guy I was madly in love with, one with Venus-Pluto square in our synastry, I had Chiron-Venus and Chiron-Mars trine and Chiron-Jupiter conjunction, plus Chiron-Uranus and Chiron-Pluto quincunx, all withing 3 degrees. So maybe there is some truth in their teaching, but I will look at more couples' synastry to see what's going on. Big greetings, Selena.

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silvermoon
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posted April 05, 2006 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvermoon     Edit/Delete Message
I understand now...
I forgive.
Thank you ALL,


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purple_scorp
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posted April 19, 2006 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for purple_scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Hi silvermoon,

seeing you were originally inspired by one of my threads, I thought I should come along and reply in your thread.

I feel that a karmic tie is a tie between two people and it occurs so that both people can learn the lesson, and receive/repay the debt, and then both move on.

I don't know that by one person forgiving on their own, it's going to sever the tie. Maybe both people need to understand the situation, forgive, let go, and then they will move on.

Of course this can be tricky when one person isn't even aware of the tie.

I wrote to the soul mate that was sleeping to tell him of the karmic tie but I never received a reply. So, he could have just thought I was nutso, and left it at that. Hmm, tie still in tact??? Does that mean I'll see him again in the next incarnation? I don't know.

I don't know much about the karmic tie with my last bf (Mr Aries). I do know that he put me through some difficult periods that taught me very important lessons about me and about relationships. In a brief reunion, I actually got the opportunity to thank him, face to face, for treating me so badly. I told him that his soul must have really loved me to have agreed to have played such a horrible role in my life. He seemed to understand what I was saying and I felt a sense of relief, as if the tie was now broken.

Don't know if this is relevant to your situation but it's something for you to consider, anyhow.

with love
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CapGirl
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posted April 19, 2006 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
I have the karmic pluto-square-venus tie, and feel like I may have helped sever it, by actually writing and giving a letter saying here's how I feel about you, here's what I want, you don't have to want me or that but if you don't please don't contact me, and *I love you just so you know and I have no regrets.* It has been the best thing I've done yet to stop the insanity of the obsessing.

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sweetlibra
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posted April 23, 2006 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetlibra     Edit/Delete Message
I have venus opp pluto with an ex. His venus opp my pltuo. Even after 1 year of break-up I am unable to severe the cord.
I find it difficult to forgive. Everytime I beleive I have forgiven him, suddenly out of nowhere negative feelings pop up!
I guess that was the purpose of the relationship. To teach me how to forgive and forget

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Libra Sun/Mercury, Aqua Moon, Scoprio Venus/Mars, Taurus Asc

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CapGirl
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posted April 24, 2006 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Sweetlibra~ that's interesting to hear, being that you're the pluto. I always assume that I'm the one being most affected and clinging on as venus, and that pluto is just having his way w/ me for power and satisfaction.

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purple_scorp
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posted April 25, 2006 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purple_scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Ah, sweetlibra, I know how frustrating it can be when you think you've let go, and then all of a sudden something pops up that drags up all of these old feelings (some good, some not so good). You know, I read somewhere recently that you haven't truly let go until the hurting stops.

What I thought was interesting is that you said forgive and forget, but you didn't mention letting go. I think this is a separate process all together.

with love
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GeminiLover75
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posted May 04, 2006 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
This is an interesting thread... just been thinking quite a bit about Venus and Pluto lately.

Can anyone give me an interpretation of this?

* Both of us Venus in Gemini (mine in the 6th house, his in the 4th).
* I have Pluto in Libra (11th house), he has Pluto in Virgo (5th house).

Is Pluto making (or could potentially make) problems for us?

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