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ListensToTrees
Knowflake

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posted June 22, 2006 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings & salutations, Elflings.

How important do you think it is for a couple to share things in common- not just likes & dislkies but the things we are MOST passionate about....like beliefs, dreams and goals.

Love & Moonlight

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Aquarius_Lover
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posted June 22, 2006 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarius_Lover     Edit/Delete Message
I'm quite individualst and this prolly is not what you would like to hear, but I think we should keep those aside in a relatonship. In my thoughts a couple must have different passions in order to keep their individualities.

I mean, dreams, beliefs and goals should be kept by the respective partners on their own. I believe a couple must have a common goal though, a big one, beyond the ones you mentioned. This must be why two people stick together.

You never know when a relationship would end up and mix up our most inner wishes could cause some "noise" in a relationship. But respect,engouragement and understanding of our partner beliefs, goals and dreams are very important and welcomed.

Very nice topic, ListenToTrees

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 22, 2006 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, AquariusLover.

I can't help thinking/feeling somehow that it would be wonderful to be with someone who believes; someone just as passionate in searching for answers, someone who feels a stirring within that they must do something to make a difference in a world and heal the Earth- a stirring that wont go away, someone to share meatless meals with, etc another Elf....

Its not easy being in a relationship where I have to feel all these things alone; I've just ended up being untrue to myS-elf to get along better with him.

"And what I wouldn't give to find a soulmate-
Someone else to catch this drift
And what I wouldn't give to meet a kindred...."

(Alanis Morristte, All I Really Want(!) )

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 22, 2006 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I guess what I'm REALLY trying to say is

it would be nice to share a spiritual journey with someone.

Maybe the all that 8th and 9th house energy in my chart is too strong too ignore...as I have Moon conjunct Pluto in my 9th house and Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in my 8th.

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WaterNymph
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posted June 22, 2006 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WaterNymph     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe what you’re looking for is someone to support and cheer you on while you’re on that journey? someone who’ll understand

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 22, 2006 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Hello again, WaterNymph!

Or someOne to share that journey with?

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WaterNymph
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posted June 22, 2006 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WaterNymph     Edit/Delete Message
Then I guess you need a strong North Node aspect - to the Sun, Moon or asc. You’ll “grow together” and in the same direction.

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WaterNymph
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posted June 23, 2006 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WaterNymph     Edit/Delete Message
Though perhaps your desires are a tad unrealistic? You can’t expect someone, anyone, to be in the same place spiritually as you. And on top of that you want them to be your mate? I’m not quite sure what advice you’re looking for…is it related to astrology? do you just need reassurance?
But yeah that North Node stuff is good.

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 23, 2006 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I'm concerned whether or not I need to be with a spiritual person in order to advance more spiritually myS-elf.
Being with a cynical person seems to rub off.

When I see couples who are happy, who seem to have the same goals- I think it is beautiful- I dream of having the same. I suppose that kind of love is fairly rare, is special, in our world.

Is anything possible? What about Twin S-elves?
I realise this is way too deep for any mortal to answer- I don't wish to drag you into the depths of bewilderment with me- I think too much!

But I just LOVE the mysterious- it is my one true passion.

I want to go to one of those clairvoyance meetings soon. I believe that few mediums are geniune. Ever watch Colin Fry, '6th sense' on TV? He's awesome.

Love & Moonlight to you all

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ListensToTrees
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posted June 23, 2006 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I guess that the key to my question is whether or not the concept of each and every one of us having a Twin S-elf is reality or not- and I think that most of us would agree that Linda didn't get EVERYTHING right. Even if it were true, it may be that we need to wait a few lifeTimes before we are ready to meet that person

The Buddhist teachings ramble (lol) on about desire being the cause of unhappiness; that grasping for the 'transient' things will lead to pain; that we need to let go, find harmony- in a nutshell (but not literally IN a nutshell)

I think that, in my case, when it comes to the way I've dreamed about finding the 'perfect' partner- Twin s-elf my whole life- that these Buddhist teachings ring true. It has only caused me the pain of longing; a terrible, heavy aching. I think too much- get bogged down- and that stops me getting on. Now that is not a good thing.

I should be grateful for the love and friendship I already have in my life and accept that the spiritual quest is a person's own, personal and individual journey!

Love & Moonlight

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Aquarius_Lover
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posted June 23, 2006 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarius_Lover     Edit/Delete Message
Hi ListenToTrees

I totally misanderstood your first post. After reading the next ones I got it. Please, disregard my first answer. I hope you find someone to share this fantastic journey and succeed in your quest.

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 24, 2006 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message
It's very important. O therwise it would be like saying there is no such thing as compatability. You could say that Sagittarians generally are as well matched with Pisceans as they are with Leos. It wouldn't make sense.
You have to interest each other or you're not going to stay with each other. If you don't have SOME things in common it will mean there is more that you don't like about eachother. For instance if i went out with someone (ME go out with a girl?!) and they disagreed with Veganism, or thougt astrology was a load of rubbish, and din't belive in God, then she'd be dumped faster than hot coal.

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D for Defiant
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posted July 04, 2006 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
marsconjunctmercury,

Well-put!

ListensToTrees,

I personally think having things in common is one of the most crucial factors in a relationship- the two need to be able to relate to each other. If they have few or nothing in common, the relationship would be hard to last, even to form. On the contrary, if there are quite a lot in common between two individuals, the relationship can be really stimulating and lively...

I also ask myself from time to time "what if my future 'the one' cannot tolerate my dietary choice (vegetarian- and hoping to go vegan)?" I've been thinking about how my veggie diet may affect my social life- e.g. how am I going to socialize with omnivores etc? It can be a huge test when it comes to dietary differences...

I cannot say I am an expert of Buddhism, but I would say I disagree with its teachings about desire being not good, achieving happiness through letting go...that's too extreme for me. Life is not so simple as black and white. It's understandable that humankind suffers from our own desire at times and yearn for peace of mind, but I think we just need more patience to explore our humanity, and what true happiness is for each of us. This can be exhausting, but definitely worthwhile. The Buddhist teachings...are not for me

What matters most is, I wish you happiness. Best of luck

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 04, 2006 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Thankyou, D.
I guess I agree with you...though my complex Geminian mind gets trapped in its own web sometimes, of exploring life from all angles(!)

I better go, there's a big thunderstorm over here (have been some heat waves-phew) and I don't want to be struck by lightening!

Love

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miss_muffet
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posted July 04, 2006 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
Honestly... I thought the same way 10 years ago. I wanted to meet a twin self - someone with the same view of every aspect I deem to be important. Until I met my husband. Then I understood.

I don't know if I can explain this ... will try...

Ok... My hubby and I don't exactly have the same likes and dislikes in common. Not even beliefs... and ambitions.

I love seafood, he loves red meat. He is Liberal, I'm Conservative. He believes in strict discipline, I encourage the kids to challenge my outlook.... I am very ambitious.. he's more relaxed... etc. etc.... I hope you get the point.

But, here is the thing: We always have something to debate about. I run to him about absolutely anything because I know that he can provide me with an opposite point of view. Through him, I can see the world from the other end. Hey, I already know what my points are but I want to know what my opposition is going to say. In the end, I truely appreciate this difference in us because through him I can see the whole picture - not just the way I want to see them.

Besides, I think it would be very sad if both of us are as driven to succeed (career-wise) as I am. Because then, who's going to be home with the kids?

I think the most important (to me anyway) is that the two of you being able to compliment each other, support one another in each of your endeavors.

Just my two cents,

Miss Muffet

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lotusheartone
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posted July 04, 2006 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
ListensToTrees..I just bumped a string..The Power of Love..by me..a description of twinSouls. ...

Hope it helps. .

Lots of LOve to EveryOne...

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted July 04, 2006 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message
The bad thing that can sometimes occur though, is that when two people, a couple, share the same dream, then it's likely one of them is always going to have achieved it slightly more than the other, or a lot more than their partner.
eg. (A very simplified one) Both people are aspiring actors and one of them gets an agent and makes it big etc... the other gets nowhere.
ergo- One is always living in the other's shadow.

So, as you say it might be nice to 'share a journey' with someone, but then again, isn't every relationship a journey?
But the dream sharing thing I can see leading to competition which is never nice....

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geminstone
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posted July 05, 2006 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminstone     Edit/Delete Message
I, personally, have the same experience with my husband, as Miss Muffet has with hers... I've always been one to disagree with the idea of 'like attracting like'... at least for myself... My own experience has taught me that opposites attract and, it has been in my opposite, ( my husband ), that I have discovered and grown most. His differences are the way to my knowing just how strong I am, in my own ideas, beliefs, perspectives and so on... In my own life, it seems that only a few close friends share my own outlooks, etc.. Most actually share my husband's opinions However, the tendancy toward feelings of competitiveness, between my husband and I, are not involved. In a way, I think, we keep each other from becoming too attatched to any kind of ideal, thought, opinion etc... Even as, 9 times out of 10, we don't agree on it anyway...

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posted July 05, 2006 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
Hi all,

You may be surprised, but I totally agree with your wise opinions. Or you may find me self-contradictary? There surely has to be differences between the two individuals, esp romantic-wise IMO. If the two are literally "identical", then Gosh, how boring it would be! I guess the point is just that the two attract each other in some way. They can be like one another's polar opposites, but there must be some chemistry. And true, two people with the same goals may sometimes suffer from competitivity or living in the other's "shadow"...but don't give up hope

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MysticMelody
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posted July 05, 2006 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I have heard it said that when we are young we choose people who are different from us to learn from and to grow with... and the when we are older and have more of an appreciation of ourselves and self love, we choose partners who are more like ourselves.
I have also read that metaphysically people often sense what they do not have in others, and then have a relationship with them until they have "used up" the person (or on a more positive spin, learned everything they can learn from them) and then move on.
I have also heard that we are only prepared to love another when we are "whole" and we should not seek another to complete us or to be our "other half."
Taking this and everything else I have learned into account I decided that I was meant to learn from others until I could understand as many different perspectives as possible, and then I would be ready to find someone who also understood these many perspectives. I haven't met many men with this goal in mind, but a part of me trusts that there are a few. And by then, I will be so amazing... how could they resist?
Hang in there Trees it's not just you.

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 06, 2006 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.merovigli.com/British.htm

Thankyou for your feedback everyone- I like a good juicey bit of debate/discussion!

To be more precise, I am not dreaming of meeting someone who wants to become the same thing as I do career-wise or whatever. And yes, it would be boring if two people were the same- I agree that opposites attract- thats why God (or whoever, lol) created male and female.....thats why I have stayed with my Saggi, who is my opposite in the zodiac, all this time- even though I couldn't get him to agree with me about not eating meat, or things such as astrology.

Its just that I'm not always entirely sure he sees me true Self. There is an 'Elf' inside of me, secretly screaming to get out...and that Elf can't help but wonder about her Elf prince.... yes, I am Arwen- and I have chosen a mortal life; a mortal man.....but was this really the right thing to do, in the greater plan of the Uni-verse?
He's a wonderful, loving and sensitive person...but I can't even get him to use his recycling box! Maybe he's too lazy or cynical to believe we can all make a difference, but I find that downright frustrating. I need someone who can also see that the Earth is in pain and needs our help, physically and spiritually. I want to do more- I don't do anything but think- maybe thats just Time, right now....it would help to find others.

Love

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