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LuLu
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posted July 03, 2006 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
A wonderful guy that I dated for a couple of weeks in April has been on my mind lately. Probably because the Scorp has been on my mind less and less. I didn't really give this guy a chance back then and may have "freaked out" a little bit by the attention he was giving me. I looked for everything that I could to find something wrong with him. I finally settled with the seven year age difference, his previous occupations and his friends (that I never even met). Very superficial and it had nothing to do with him as a person. It was horrible, I know. Looking back I realize that I really hurt someone that could have been very good for me. He was so sweet and such a gentleman and he didn't even try to kiss me until the fourth date. And on top of all that, he was absolutely adorable and incredibly in shape. But I was still really stuck on the Scorp and I think I really hurt this Capricorn when I told him that we were just too different.

And now I find myself thinking about him a lot these last couple of days. I'd like to try and talk to him, but the last time we spoke ended with a text message from me telling him not to contact me anymore. I think he was really hurt that I ended everything so abruptly and he was trying to get me to jump through hoops to talk to him or to be around him. When I tried to apologize he just sounded so irritated and protective of his heart. He wasn't mean or cruel, but you could tell by his choice of words that I wasn't his favorite person anymore.

And now I feel horrible. Despite the horrendous relationships I've had in the past and the horrible experiences that I've gone through, it doesn't excuse me pushing him away like that. I'm realizing now that it felt too real for me to handle at that time when i was still hung up on the Scorp. I freaked out and ran. But I feel like I gave up a chance at something that could have been amazing. I ran it into the ground before it even started.

How do I approach a Capricorn in this situation? Despite having a Cappy ASC myself, I just don't know how to go about this. I really hurt this person and I am so afraid that he will tell me to blow off. Hindsight is 20/20.

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AcousticGod
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posted July 03, 2006 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a Capricorn. Are you a Cancer?

I'd say just call him. He'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't know if I'm typical of a Capricorn, but I'm always for working things out, talking things through. He'll only reject you if there's someone else in his life, and even then he'll be very patient and kind about it.

After thinking about it for a moment I'm gonna revise my advice to writing him. It's the least awkward opportunity for either of you, and you can say what you want to say without getting any immediate feedback to stop you from getting these things off your chest. It'll also give him the opportunity to think for a moment before responding. Capricorns aren't always prepared for freak occurances like this. It'll give him a moment to consider you in this new light of someone who thought it important enough to reach out and make a gesture towards reconciliation. That, in itself, could erase whatever judgments he may hold against you.

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LuLu
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posted July 03, 2006 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a Taurus actually. The last time we spoke was about a week after I called it off. He was very reserved, subdued, cautious in our conversation. Not at all like the person I was used to being around. Basically he let me know that everyone was aware that he wasn't dating anyone anymore, so if I wanted to see him, I needed to give him enough notice because he had things to do. Then he let me know he had been staying out all hours of the night with his guy friends and inviting large groups of people back to his apartment to play poker until 8am. After that he text messaged me a couple of times with some strange dirty messages that he seemed to have received from someone else. My patience was gone and I was irritated because I felt like he was testing me, so I told him to not contact me anymore.

I sent him an e-mail yesterday and asked if he would give me a chance to explain a few things, but told him I understood if he didn't want to hear from me. The problem is that he was with his last girlfriend for two years. When he went away and came back from basic training, she had cheated on him the entire time he was gone. He avoided trying to date for about six months to try and get his head on straight after that. Then I came along and shattered his little heart and now I feel like a total butt for treating him like that. I don't know that he will even take the time to read the message.

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pidaua
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posted July 03, 2006 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
LuLu,

You are in an incredibly awkward position and I am not sure that you'll be able to win him back or his trust.

The situation you walked into was already primed for hurt as he was getting over an ex that had CHEATED on him. Cheating is not just physical, but also about lying, scheming, withholding information (lies of omission) etc...

As he had just gone through one of the most physically intense trainings in a soldiers life (unless he goes on to SERE / Ranger etc.. school) and he came home to find out he had been cheated on.

In your case, you said it yourself - you shattered his heart. Knowing that he was still reeling about his ex and wanted to have time to get his head on straight, you still got involved with him - yet tried to find anything wrong possible with him. Then you broke it off - but decided to try to get back into his life.

My dad is a Cappy and so are a few of my closest friends. I don't see any of them giving someone a chance that has treated them in such a way. I guess it would be different had you started the "dating" relationship with "I am not looking for anything more than dating because I still have old hurts about the Scorp Ex". Then if he took it too serious you could have graciously backed out.

Give him time, but don't push unless you want to see that Cappy temper and trust me - it's different than a Taurus temper. Cappies know where to get you and with words, especially if he has Mercury in Sagittarius or Capricorn.

This may be one of those harsh learning lessons that we all go through in order to discover ourselves and how to treat people. He gave you the clues but you didn't listen (not that you meant to hurt him at all) and he is now being protective of his heart.

What is it about Taurus people that compels them to push a person away and then decide months later "Oh wait, I really do want to be with you forever". Then they can't understand that the damage is done and it's too late.

Then again, I'm a Sag - so I often walk around with foot hanging out of my mouth

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LuLu
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posted July 03, 2006 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
It was a very strange situation to begin with. We actually went out on a date after meeting online and within a week he was at my house every night after work and staying with me. I basically woke up one morning with him next to me and freaked out. It was like I blinked and suddenly had someone that was consuming my every minute outside of work. For someone who hasn't been in a serious relationship for years, it was a lot for me at one time. I am so used to my own space, my own schedule and my own alone time. I really felt crowded. And sadly enough, he didn't let me know about his ex-girlfriend until about the fourth date (which was on the fourth night). At that point I think his heart was already gone enough that any direction I took was going to do damage. That's why I ran. I felt like we were too different and that I was only going to end up hurting him. I was trying to get rid of my feelings for the Scorp who had more in common with me than anyone I had ever met. I couldn't see that maybe different was good. That maybe it would help balance me out. And I had given so much emotionally to this Scorp that I was pretty much drained. And here was this person who just wanted me. No questions asked. I felt completely claustrophobic and panic-stricken. Not have to chase a guy? What's that? And now, after I have finally put my foot down and cut the Scorp out for good, the clouds seem to be clearing. And I notice when I go on dates how easy and relaxed it was with the Capricorn and how awkward and unfun it is with everyone else. If I could reach my own backside, I would kick myself.

Thank you both for your words of advice.

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AcousticGod
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posted July 03, 2006 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
There's quite a bit of similarity between Cap and Scorp, so that variation could be good. My best friend is a Taurus married to a Capricorn (Taurus male/Cap female). They're 32, and been married since they were 19.

I think he'll probably respond to you, and it'll probably be positive. I would guess that you're both rather cautious around one another, so that may hamper things a bit. Don't be afraid to communicate, though. He can take it, and I think he'll be understanding.

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LuLu
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posted July 04, 2006 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you. I'm not so sure though. I have a feeling he is going to tell me to buzz off. But I know that he spent all of June in another state helping train other soldiers, so he should be coming back about now. The time away could be a good thing or a bad thing. I'll just have to wait and see.

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CapGirl
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posted July 04, 2006 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting LuLu... I'm interested to hear more about how this turns out. I had the same type of experience w/ a Cap guy, who came on really strong, in terms of wanting to spend evening after evening w/ me in a row, and was very gentlemanly about the romance aspect. I reacted just as you did, got freaked out a bit, didn't really take him serious bc. it was so quick, and so much attention. And I hurt him early on by pushing him away and acting foolish. It took a few weeks of calling (leaving messages) and he finally came back around but it was never discussed- and he would not admit to even being mad, let alone hurt, etc. From all of my experience and hearing so many others, these guys do not like to discuss emotions- theirs or others.

I could go on and on... But I am quite sure that you stand another chance w/ him. They are very forgiving.

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BlueTopaz124
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posted July 04, 2006 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
Give it a chance and be patient. Feelings and reactions are bound to be strong when you're both going through the end of a relationship. An explanation of what was going on will give him a chance to think.

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pidaua
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posted July 05, 2006 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Lulu said:

"And sadly enough, he didn't let me know about his ex-girlfriend until about the fourth date (which was on the fourth night). At that point I think his heart was already gone enough that any direction I took was going to do damage. That's why I ran. I felt like we were too different and that I was only going to end up hurting him. I was trying to get rid of my feelings for the Scorp who had more in common with me than anyone I had ever met. "

Ahh... that makes sense.. I am so sorry that you had to go through all of that. I do hope you two manage to talk and at least become friends again. It can be incredibly overwhelming to have someone consume your every moment when you aren't ready. It can also lead to joining into a relationship based on their desire to consume you and your desire not to hurt them. You did the right thing, even though it seems painful.

I think had you stayed in it because you didn't want to hurt him you may have had harsher problems down the road. I hope that makes sense?

I went through something similar- where someone just consummed by life, my time and ended up going out and buying me a $5000 engagement ring. I felt guilty if I had said no..... so I agreed instead of following my gut to run. It all worked out in the end - my life at least did and now things are 100% better than ever.

My heart is with you..... be strong

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LuLu
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posted July 06, 2006 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
I talked to the Capricorn last night for a long time. He's had a really rough month. A friend broke into his apartment and stole the majority of his belongings, he lost his job. We talked a lot and I let him get a lot of things off his chest regarding what happened with us. He was so honest and gentle about it. Not mean, rude, cruel like I was used to the Scorpio being. We agreed to start as friends due to the fact that he has so much going on right now. He told me how hurt he was when things ended before and how he kept waiting for me to call and say that I had changed my mind. And he made a really good point that stuck in my head. He stated that all the things that happened to either of us in our past relationships with others was in the past. He didn't want to make any relationship with me based off what we had gone through before. And I understand that. I talked to him on and off today. He is going to come over tomorrow night and watch a movie with me. And for all of you that know about the Scorp...I am so proud of myself. My sales team is all going out to dinner and then out afterwards tomorrow night to say goodbye to our sales manager. The Scorp is making a trip into town and going to stay the night here to celebrate. The funniest thing is that I didn't even think twice about deciding to go to dinner for an hour with everyone and then leaving early to come home and hang out with the Capricorn. The idea of coming home to him made me smile...spending a night hanging out with the Scorp who would just try to reel me back in and get me into bed wasn't even an option that crossed my mind. I didn't have to debate in my head at all. Which made me smile even more. I think the last month and a half of finally cutting the Scorp out of my life has been the best thing I have done in a long time. It gets easier every day and I know that I wouldn't even be thinking about the Capricorn in this way if my feelings for the Scorp weren't dwindling away. I have a grin from ear to ear!!!!!!

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 06, 2006 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Lulu, I'm very happy to hear this! Not only are you over the scorpio, but you managed to mend a bridge with someone who deserved it.

Good Luck

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LuLu
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posted July 06, 2006 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
True to form, the Scorp e-mailed me about an hour ago and asked if he could stay with me tonight. I told him that I was having company, but the Marriott would be a good choice since it was close to where our sales team is having dinner. I don't think he liked my response, because he wanted to know if I was going to be cool tonight. I told him that I was going to be leaving early, so it wouldn't be a problem at all. I couldn't believe he had the nerve to ask me that question after everything that has happened. The funniest thing is that it wasn't even tempting. I don't want to destroy the road that the Capricorn and I are headed down and entertaining the Scorp's offer just brings trouble and puts me right back where I was not too long ago.

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cappy
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posted July 06, 2006 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy     Edit/Delete Message

So glad things are turning out right for you Lulu. Screw the Scorp!
Whatever happens with the Cap, it's a much better road to walk down on. But don't make it easy for the cap either. He's a man after all...
Learning from the hard way.

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CapGirl
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posted July 06, 2006 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Good advice, cappy! But... don't make it too hard either... these dudes have insecurities and fragile egos... learning the hard way.... LOL I don't mean so much "giving up the goodies" as I do compliments, giving attention, etc.

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posted July 06, 2006 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy     Edit/Delete Message

Got my point Capgirl!

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LuLu
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posted July 07, 2006 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
The night with the Capricorn went well. We watched a movie and talked. We fell asleep snuggling. He didn't even try to kiss me. It was sweet. I feel like he is being a little evasive and standoffish though. Both completely understandable. I think he is trying to figure out if this is going to last. I'm going to try to just let it ride and not worry. It's a little frustrating though when I leave him a message before noon and I don't hear back from him either at all or until very late in the evening. I'm a little afraid that he might be reconsidering the decision to try this out again. I guess I will just have to wait and see.

The sales team apparently stayed out until 4am. I left around 10pm to see the Capricorn. The Scorp begged my sales partner repeatedly to "make Megan like me more. C'mon!!!!" My sales partner said she looked at him and said "You have got to be kidding. I think you took care of that situation all on your own." She said she walked away as he was yelling after her "Make her like me more, make her like me more!!" Idiot. My sales partner said that they all sat around drinking and trashing his girlfriend, him included. I feel sorry for the girl. He needs to grow up. He tried to come up to me once and put his hand on my back, but I walked away He didn't try again after that. Then I left. Go me!!!!!!!!!!

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AcousticGod
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posted July 07, 2006 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message

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Dulce Luna
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posted July 07, 2006 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
"Make her like me more, make her like me more!!"

And he's a scorpio? How pathetic

Glad to hear that things went well between you and the cappy.

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LuLu
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posted July 12, 2006 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuLu     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't heard from the Capricorn since he left my house early last Friday. I called him later that day and left him a message, but no call back. He text messaged me on Sunday to say he had been busy and he was sorry he hadn't called, but I haven't heard a peep from him since. I've been really good and I haven't called, mainly because I'm not sure quite what is going on. I figured he might just be sorting things out in his own time, but again, I have no clue.

Oh...and I think the Scorp feels like an idiot because I told him to stay at the Marriott. And because he begged my sales partner to get me to like him more. Haven't heard a peep from him either. I think he is trying to freeze me out in true Scorp fashion. Too bad that crap doesn't work when he is an hour away and I've already kicked his booty to the curb.

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posted July 12, 2006 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I think you should call him, or text him.

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CapGirl
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posted July 12, 2006 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Lulu... if he's like most Cap. men, you're in for a real ride w/ him. When you feel like you're in real despair w/ him being MIA and incommunicado... go to the dxpnet.com capricorn board sometime. There's a whole slew of threads created by women in relationships or trying to be w/ Cap. men. I won't jade you now w/ cynicism or criticism... Maybe yours will be a smooth and easy relationship.

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cappy
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posted July 12, 2006 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy     Edit/Delete Message

I wouldn't call him Lulu. Let him come to you. Meanwhile keep busy. go out, do your nails, look for someone else, call your friend, focus on yourself or your life. But whatever you do don't call him: he's not calling because he is a man, not cause he's a Cap. Although signs matter...
I'm saying this cause I used to be in the habit of using astrology to excuse men's "unavailability" but it never worked: I'm slowly realizing that men like the chase. He's not calling because he doesn't want to (I know that there could be valid reasons like work for him not calling!) but the only way you'll find out if he's interested or bsing you is by you being a "***** ". As you all can see I'm reading Shery Argov's Why men Love Bitches and most importantly Why men Marry Bitches which has the most accurate descriptions of techniques men use to take control of the relationship, make us needy and too available as women, and then never committing or whatever...

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sthenri
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posted July 12, 2006 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Those are great books!
Most importantly men marry women with rosy futures, so if he's just not into you it could be because you don't own a liquor store.

It's so good to read the superficial reasons behind the nonsense.

Yes let him call you but when he does, ask him how he is, and listen to his moods (without asking about his feelings of course)
If he's still distant and you don't sense he really wants you to come over and rub his feet, then leave him alone.

Natasha
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CapGirl
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posted July 12, 2006 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Cappy~ is that a new book of Argov's that's out, "Why Men Marry Bytches" ? I read the other one and thought she had another on the way... I loved that book and loaned it out and I didnt get it back. Darn, I always do that!! I like what you had to say about using astrology to make excuses for men's unavailability... I see this time and time again on the Cap. board I mentioned, and have tried to point out that it's not about cap. traits but rather commitment fears sometimes. Anyway-- gotta look for that new book.

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