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Topic: I give up.......
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Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted July 28, 2006 10:39 PM
... any hope in ever understanding men. This is going be long and boring …sign… but if anyone has time to read it, any input will be great…I have known this guy professionally for a couple of years. I only get to see him may be once or twice a year but there always was some subtle mutual attraction. So I run into him at my friend's party on July 1st. This whole group of guys, my friend included, is really into motorcycles. They are in local Harley chapter or something like that. Typical boys and their toys thing...lol. Anyway, he asks me if I want to go for a ride sometime, I say "OK, sure". Well, how about tomorrow? Couldn't pick a better day for a ride alone the coast. He showed me some places within 20 miles of my house which I never even knew were there, showed me his family beach house. We didn't stop or anything but he kind of made a point. Then, we had lunch at the marina, watched the boats, laughed... I mean, it was a great date all together. The following week we exchanged a few e-mails and I haven't heard from him for 10 days. I actually pretty much wrote the entire thing off. I mean, sometimes a date is just a date. You go out, have a good time and that's it. Then he e-mails me saying how crazy the work was last week, etc. I was in no rush to answer, so when I finally answered three days later I got response in about like .... 5 minutes "Oh, I thought you don't want to see me again. Are you free on Saturday night?" So on Saturday he takes me to his friend's son graduation party (!?)I mean, I love this kind of things when you meet a bunch of new people but, personally, I wouldn't bring anyone to meet all my friends, their spouses and kids unless I was fairly serious about this person. At first, I thought may be he just wants to show me off but he is really not that shallow. Once again, we had a great time. Everyone was really nice and a lot of fun, I can't even remember last time I laughed so much. And he was really sweet with all kind of nice little things. On the way home we stopped at his house and I think that was the only time in my life when the guy REALLY wanted to show me his house without trying to get me in bed. I mean we kissed and kind of made out and chemistry was through the roof. May be he is too much of a gentleman…lol. No, I am just kidding. Actually, this was exactly how far I would want to go on a second date. He called me on Monday and we talked for a while. He said he just wanted to say “Hi” and “I’ll talk to you soon” or something like that. Well……….it’s FRIDAY and I haven’t heard a word. Does that mean he didn’t like me THAT much? WHY did he act so, I don’t know, seriously, if it didn’t mean anything? BTW our synastry is not bad and mid-point composite is nice (Two Grand Trines and a kite) with fairly well aspected Saturn (imagine that). Trine Moon, Jupiter and Pluto. That, of course, contributed to the fact of getting my hopes up and now sitting at home on Friday night and going through the second box of tissues He is a Sag like me. I am far from clingy but if I like someone I want to see them more often tnan once in three weeks  IP: Logged |
BlueTopaz124 Knowflake Posts: 906 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jan 2004
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posted July 28, 2006 11:29 PM
Sounds perfect. I'm a Sag too, so that sort of date (drive to the coast, lunch, that sort of thing) is what I'd like to do too. Well, from what you say, there's no lack in the chemistry side of things. Two Sags will have no problem with mutual combustion lol.Just try to be patient. You know how us Saggies are, wanting space and all but also everything all at once too. For men Saggies, they need a little more space than us girls. He's probably knee-deep in work like he was. Difference now for you, is you're feeling it and you like the good time you have with him. I would be exactly the same way, wondering... Saggies can be really good at wandering off in our own curious, adventurous exploring world and forget to take others along with us. Maybe send him an email once to say Hi in your friendly, enthusiastic way, ask him something that needs a reply and let it go. Sit on your hands if you have to, don't call him. Saggie men can have a bit of an old-fashioned streak in them for all their worldly ways. They also like a challenge. Are you able to post both of your birth info? Laura IP: Logged |
LuLu Knowflake Posts: 182 From: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted July 28, 2006 11:45 PM
Kamilla...I understand completely sweetie. As I'm sure you noticed in my post about the Virgo, when I find someone I like and the chemistry is there, I want to see more of that person too. It's my Sag Moon burning through. I want everything all at once. And like you, it loses me when a guy seems to be so interested and then "slacks" off on the responses and the calls. Just give it a little time. Maybe he really is just busy. But if it becomes a pattern after several more dates, then you need to speak up to tell him how you feel. I'm sure it isn't intentional. IP: Logged |
Venus De Milo Knowflake Posts: 187 From: USA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted July 29, 2006 01:19 AM
I think he does like you and feel it too... I mean, what's not to like? It sounds like you guys had two amazing dates and have lots of chemistry... I think bluetopaz's advice is great... a little hello email if you like, but DO NOT call him!  I think it'll turn out great... But I'm like you, when I have those kinds of dates and amazing chemistry, I just want MORE MORE MORE... and fairly or unfairly, i get a bit hurt when the other person is busy, because I feel like they must not like me as much as I like them. But not everyone is as exuberant and impulsive as we are! Heheheh. We must remember that! He sounds like a busy guy... what does he do? IP: Logged |
sthenri Moderator Posts: 4224 From: Generic New England City Registered: May 2003
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posted July 29, 2006 07:09 AM
Calling him may not be a good thing unless you know more than me, I find Sag men like to be the "man" in these kinds of things and so there is a lot of waiting.Since I am not good at waiting either, I generally don't like them romantically. He could have a thousand things running through his mind-the setting of his own romance novel and he is the center of it. Depending on how he sees you or what he needs he will call you and sweep you off your feet again, maybe show a little jealousy that you didn't call him, to show what he feels. He could be out buying you gifts or he could be home sick, but he won't think of telling you until he's ready for romance again. Natasha Taurus/Sag ascendant IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted July 29, 2006 07:58 AM
Thank you, guys  I am definitely NOT calling him. I mean, there is only one reason that can possibly prevent anyone these days from picking up the cell phone - they just don't want to. And if you call someone when they don't feel like talking to you, the chances of hearing what you want to hear are slim to none. Well, at least this is how I feel. It just sucks to get all excited and disappointed like that. But then, it's my own fault. He is a partner in a big accounting firm. They handle all taxes issues for our company. I tease him that they only work three months a year but that's far from being true. He is also on all sort of local boards and committees. Divorced, with two daughters. So I suppose he can be busy. Will see. Thank you so much, again! You made me feel a lot better AND the f..... retrograde is finally over so may be things will turn up a little. IP: Logged |
and Knowflake Posts: 216 From: Meet me in Montauk Registered: Jun 2006
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posted July 29, 2006 09:10 AM
you deserve a man who will call you back. I read the book "hes just not that into you"...I would say to check the book out, because it basically says if a man likes you, nothing will stand in the way of being with you....I dont care if a guy is a Sag or Aquarius..it's ******** ...I dated a Sag with a stellium of 1st house, and he called me too MUCH by my standards(this guy was very busy, president of a movie production company, and record dealer), Sag men are pretty direct, but they like a chase....I would never expect a serious relationship from Sag men...its near impossible unless he has other planets balancing him out....You're a beautiful woman, You deserve a guy who will call, and not make you cry before youve even had a long term relationship...crying should rarely happen...he shouldnt make you feel this sh-tty this soon... Hugs to you...  ------------------ "WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit" "Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation" -Khalil Gibran IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 2603 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted July 29, 2006 12:20 PM
Hi Kam ~I agree with Laura. Send him a breezy email. I know a Saggie guy (we're not dating) and he's on/off, hot/cold. He disappears for awhile, then he's back full-throttle. And he IS busy -- always has something going on. My opinion?? Wait and see, go on with YOUR busy life, and don't get your hopes up -- either that, or buy stock in the Kleenex Corp.....  Z IP: Logged |
LILYGIRL Knowflake Posts: 689 From: MD Registered: Jun 2005
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posted July 29, 2006 01:28 PM
He sounds lovely. I wonder if he has Pisces in his chart. I have Sag ascendant AND an aries moon/mars but my taurus venus trine saturn makes me very non aggressive in matters of the heart.I understand what you mean about the cell phone. But divorced with two daughters and working. Anything worthy of explanation could be going on. I also find Sag men (our son is Sag Sun/vertex/nn conjunction with Aries Moon but Cancer Rising) can be off on an adventure in a heartbeat. The fact that he took you to a family event means at a minimal he enojoys your company and appearance or thinks of you in a certain way...not sure that a fly by night one night stand would have gotten the same consideration. I would be curious to see the rest of his chart... Whenever I see some of the behaviors you mentioned I expect to see Aqua and or Pisces in the chart. IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted July 30, 2006 09:58 AM
UDDATE  After all that, he called me in the office first thing in the morning (I had to work on Saturday)and asked if I wanted to get together. So we made some tentative plans and at the end he says "Sorry about the last minute call" . You know, how sometimes you say something before you even think, I guess, my responce was a bit sarcastic "Oh, that's OK, I was just sitting here, making no plans whatsoever and waiting for you to call me". That definitely hit home...lol. So we went to this huge party. I know, it sounds like "non-stop partying"...lol.. but I live in resort area and in a summer time we work hard and play hard. Then, we hibernate from November to May. We stopped at my house afterwards and... I don't know, I just feel like taking it slow. So he said "Take all the time you want. All good things are worth waiting for" I thought it was sweet  Thank you so much for listening Hugs to all! Oh, he didn't know the exact time so I told him to dig out the birth certificate. I was looking at the planets only but when I know time I would love for you, guys, to take a look at his chart. He has Moon in Leo and for some reason I am almost positive his Ascendant is Aqua. Will see. IP: Logged |
and Knowflake Posts: 216 From: Meet me in Montauk Registered: Jun 2006
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posted July 30, 2006 11:05 AM
Post his chart so we can analyze him..  ------------------ "WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit" "Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation" -Khalil Gibran IP: Logged |
Nephthys Moderator Posts: 2608 From: California Registered: Oct 2001
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posted August 03, 2006 02:04 PM
There has to be an aspect in his natal and possibly in your synastry that shows unreliability on his part. *hint* = does he have a lot of Air?I am an earth sign so I can't stand it when someone says they're going to call and either doesn't or takes way too long to call back. My best advice is to get the book, "He's Just Not That Into You" by Greg Behrendt. I really reccomend this book to all single girls. IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted August 03, 2006 06:38 PM
I have this book and I agree with it for the most part. The past few days turned out so emotionally intense. We spent Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday nights together. Just like Natasha said "he called and swept me off my feet" for three days. I guess, my parameters for "taking it slow" are rather lenient, i.e. less than 24 hours..lol.There was about as much romance as possible, the walk on the beach lighted by the moon included. I can't even remember feeling that close to anyone. May be my ex, the first year we got married. I am not sure where it's going though. I just got off the cloud and feel kind of drained.... Here is his chart if anyone has time to look at it. Any insight will be great here is mid-point composite and here is the synastry. Mine inside, his outside IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted August 04, 2006 09:44 AM
Something happened during the last time we were together which "bruised male fragile ego" a little so to speak. I didn't think it was a big deal but then, yesterday when I answered his e-mail I made a related comment which was meant to be very positive and he took it completely the wrong way. Don't you hate it when you WRITE something like that... Anyway, I hope he is mature enough not to let "macho" thing be a dealbreaker but with his Mars and Moon in Leo I am not so sure ........I have Mars in Leo too and I can see myself dropping someone completely after being sort of embarassed in front of this person. Well, I am just ranting here........ IP: Logged |
sarah9 Knowflake Posts: 77 From: india Registered: Apr 2005
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posted August 04, 2006 04:08 PM
Hi Kamilla,Beleive me i can totally understand the emotional ups and downs in a relashionship initially... All the advise i can give now, being in the same boat almost is to take it easy and enjoy the ride. Dont over analyse and expect a zillion things out of him already. Give him space... The more YOU relax the more he will relax and not try to run away or get confused. Ysee any kind of expectation is subtly or intuitively picked up by a soul. So you need to just chill and relax and just enjoy and go with the flow... And he's been pretty regular here i think for a starting relashionship. He's always been there despite your doubting... Just relax dear...  IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted August 05, 2006 07:32 AM
Thank you  I did need to hear the voice of reason. I guess, I am still licking some wounds after my divorce year and a half ago and find it very hard to beleive that something GOOD can be actually happening to ME. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 2603 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted August 05, 2006 11:35 AM
Hi Kamilla ~I like your synastry….. I’m concerned about tChiron hovering around your Saturn in the 7th thru next spring, but I’m thinking your Saggie fella could be someone to help heal you, especially with his Chiron dead-on your Moon….. tJupiter's in your 4th, coming up on your Neptune/Venus conj, I like what that portends -- all in all, I get a good vibe from this association – I hope you two can continue to enjoy the delightful process of getting to know each other!! Please keep us updated!!  Zala IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted August 05, 2006 07:34 PM
Thank you, Zala  for pointing out good things as always Hugs Kamilla IP: Logged |
Venus De Milo Knowflake Posts: 187 From: USA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted August 06, 2006 06:08 PM
Hey Kamilla, I see a lot of good house placements in your synastry, I can definitely see why you two are drawn to each other... he lights up your 1st and 5th houses and you light up his 7th and 8th houses... that's awesome.Composite 7th house Venus is very promising too  I hope it all works out for you darling!  IP: Logged |
Kamilla Knowflake Posts: 433 From: NJ USA Registered: Apr 2006
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posted August 07, 2006 03:39 PM
I am SO glad I shared it with you, guys! Thank you so much, everyone, for your time and your kind responce I would never get the same insight and encouragement from my "non-virtual" girlfriends. One is happily married, so she can't really relate to my situation. Plus, she has been buried with work for the past month so she hardly has time and energy for anything else. Another one, one those people who is wonderful during trouble and distress, but don't handle positive circumstances very well and consciously or uncounsciously puts a damper on your smile. Yeah, she is a Scorp. As for my Sag, so far so good .......AND something impossible happened - my bratty teenage daughter said that "he is cool"...  IP: Logged | |