posted September 26, 2006 03:21 AM         

I am a Pisces Male (Feb. 26, 1979) who befriended an Aries Female (March 22, 1975) . We were both introduced to each other through a mutual friend (a Cancer). We were both going through a break-up and became intimate after we noticed some mental spark and attraction. We talked to each other every day. Talk to each other into the night. Spent time with each other for several months. To put a long story short, we became very close. A few months ago, she told me that she simply wanted to be friends only because whe still could not get over her ex-boyfriend. Though she said I was her friend, she became more reserved around me as I gave her the same attention as far as speaking with her (always there when she needed someone talk to during the rough moments), and warmer to others in our circle of friends. I have decided to pull back from her, but my heart is telling me not too. If anyone has any insights to our dynamic, I would be very happy. Her and my chart are as follows:

Me:

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet Sign Degree
Sun Pisces 7°34'13 in house 10
Moon Pisces 8°40'26 in house 10
Mercury Pisces 21°49'39 in house 10
Venus Capricorn 24°15'20 in house 8
Mars Aquarius 29°09'08 in house 9
Jupiter Leo 0°10'43 in house 2
Saturn Virgo 10°46'59 in house 4
Uranus Scorpio 20°59'56 in house 6
Neptune Sagittarius 20°19'46 in house 6
Pluto Libra 18°51'50 in house 5
True Node Virgo 17°27'16 in house 4

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Gemini 26°11'36
2nd House Cancer 17°47'16
3rd House Leo 9°59'12
Imum Coeli Virgo 6°19'05
5th House Libra 9°47'17
6th House Scorpio 19°06'24
Descendant Sagittarius 26°11'36
8th House Capricorn 17°47'16
9th House Aquarius 9°59'12
Medium Coeli Pisces 6°19'05
11th House Aries 9°47'17
12th House Taurus 19°06'24

Her:

PLANETARY POSITIONS
Planet Sign Degree
Sun Aries 0°57'14 in house 11
Moon Cancer 18°26'52 in house 2
Mercury Pisces 8°07'31 in house 10
Venus Taurus 2°47'38 in house 12
Mars Aquarius 14°20'19 in house 9
Jupiter Aries 0°51'00 in house 11
Saturn Cancer 12°00'05 in house 2
Uranus Scorpio 1°38'47 end of house 5
Neptune Sagittarius 11°46'46 in house 7
Pluto Libra 8°05'25 in house 5
True Node Sagittarius 3°02'10 in house 6
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Gemini 6°30'47
2nd House Cancer 2°24'26
3rd House Cancer 27°20'24
Imum Coeli Leo 24°37'18
5th House Virgo 26°27'50
6th House Scorpio 1°54'50
Descendant Sagittarius 6°30'47
8th House Capricorn 2°24'26
9th House Capricorn 27°20'24
Medium Coeli Aquarius 24°37'18
11th House Pisces 26°27'50
12th House Taurus 1°54'50

Composite Chart:

POSITIONS
planet Sign Degree
Sun Pisces 19°15'44 in house 10
Moon Taurus 13°33'39 in house 12
Mercury Pisces 14°58'35 in house 10
Venus Pisces 13°31'29 in house 10
Mars Aquarius 21°44'43 in house 9
Jupiter Gemini 0°30'52 in house 12
Saturn Leo 11°23'32 in house 3
Uranus Scorpio 11°19'22 in house 6
Neptune Sagittarius 16°03'16 end of house 6
Pluto Libra 13°28'37 in house 5
True Node Libra 25°14'43 in house 5
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Gemini 16°21'11
2nd House Cancer 10°05'51
3rd House Leo 3°39'48
Imum Coeli Virgo 0°28'11
5th House Libra 3°07'34
6th House Scorpio 10°30'37
Descendant Sagittarius 16°21'11
8th House Capricorn 10°05'51
9th House Aquarius 3°39'48
Medium Coeli Pisces 0°28'11
11th House Aries 3°07'34
12th House Taurus 10°30'37

posted September 26, 2006 07:30 AM         

I see a lot of parallels in your chart. You both want the same thing and is pointed in the same direction...

Her moon is trine with your Sun which gives you a lot of empathy. I see a lot of compatibility... although sad to say, compatibility does not guarantee love. Sometimes letting go is the best thing to do. If you love her, let her go. If she comes back, she's yours forever. Otherwise, you'd just be wasting your time.

Good luck.

Miss Muffet

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posted September 26, 2006 09:02 AM         

I'm sorry you're in this situation, you obviously care about her.. I wouldn't pull back in a round about fishy way.. I think you should talk to her and tell her how you feel. Even if you do pull back it’s probably best you have a conversation with her about it first.

Simply because she might not know she's distancing herself and if you pull back with no explanation, she could take it the wrong way.

I'm an Aries with Gemini Asc, Pisces Merc and Taurus Venus, but my moon is Cap.. I was with a double Pisces guy, but you sound about 40 times nicer than him lol.. I would've preferred it if he was more open, instead of making decisions and acting on them, without letting me know the *why*.. The lack of communication there confused things to no end.

Never be afraid to communicate honestly and openly with an Aries girl (specially since she has a Pisces Merc). The more you communicate, the more things are likely to work out between you.. imo.. Pisces guys tend to think distance is the best policy.. but it doesn’t work for most people, most girls.. Cancer moon is clingy, she won’t like the distance thing.

posted September 27, 2006 06:34 AM         

It's hard to tell without knowing you guys or the conversation .. but "don't have to call me because you are not obligated" sounds like she thought you were trying to get rid of her.. or saw calling her as a duty.

By your charts alone I'd say she definitely cares about you, ex or not.. I'm not sure what's with the ex thing, but with the Cancer Moon I'm not surprised - she's clinging to the past.. Though, truth be told, this is extremely unhealthy and emotionally depleting for Cancer.

I think it would be much better for her to look to the future and be with you then stay hung up on the ex..

About the argument you had, to be honest don't worry about it too much because she'll get over this, she won't remember it.. she said "do what you have to".. so she's leaving it up to you.. She was also upset when she felt you'd stop contact I'm guessing.. because otherwise she wouldn't have said the 'obligated' thing.. so if she was upset you'd stop contact.. it's a good thing because it means she doesn’t wnat you to.. so she wants you in her life.

I think the best way to fix this is to leave it for a few days.. she might still call back and patch things up herself.. but anyways if she doesn't, your Jupiter in Leo is VERY closely trine her sun.. FUN is the name of your game lol.. so figure out something fun to do with her and surprise her.. she'll forget about everything else.. if you actually *do* something entertaining with her.. something active.. that makes her laugh..I don’t know.. rock climbing.. skydiving LOL ok maybe not that far.. but something she wouldn’t think of lol that sounds like a challenge and takes her by surprise.

Or if all else fails, show up at her house in a clown suit or something.. do something silly and fun lol

I think at this point she's undecided about you because of the ex and doesn’t want to lead you on.. but I'm sure she cares about you.. I think you should give it time, but stay friends, don't create too much distance. She can't stay hung up on the past forever.. she’ll realise this eventually.

posted September 27, 2006 07:31 AM         

One thing I have to add after reading your last post... you reminded me of my relationship with a Pisces (I am an Aries).

The most annoying thing about a Pisces for me is the fact that sometimes they do know more about how I feel than I know myself. This is very annoying because being an Aries, we have to always be RIGHT! and with respect to feelings, you Pisceans seem to KNOW more than me (and about me nevertheless)!

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Even though she says that she is not hurt. I can sense it.

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If you sense that she's hurt, keep her happy. Aries are not good discussing feelings. They would rather just ignore and forget it. If they can't Ram at it to get it out of the way, they would rather ignore it. (At least that's the way I deal with it, not sure if other Ariens would agree).

The term my friend always use on me is that I "turtle" (hide in my shell) when I am hurt. I act like nothing is wrong. He says that I act cold (Aries Ice). He would then try to get me out of my shell, and make me soooo angry at him that I say things I should not have said and regret.

What I am trying to say is that you might have gotten her to that point when she said all those aweful things to you.

The best thing for you to do, if you still want her in your life is "to keep it light". Aries can't deal with emotions and feelings the way Pisceans can. She will appreciate it more if you just make her laugh, as Lauren put it. Remind her gently from time to time (without trying to poke at her feelings), that you love her.

Hopefully, one day, she will wake up and realize that she can't live without you in her life and she will be the one to tell you... But then again, there is no guarantee in life and love. Otherwise, life would not be such a challenge.

posted September 27, 2006 07:02 PM         

First, we were never dating. We were simply friends who had a connection, could talk to each other for hours ( she would tell me how much she missed me), laugh together, and became intimate. Everytime we became intimate, M was always the one to initiate contact because I knew she would back away if I approached her. As friends, she let me hold her, hold her hand, etc. We did all this in secret. No one knew we were intimate. Especially my roommate, she was afraid that he would judge her as a person. Since they knew each other for years. I have known her since March, but I thought our friendship deepened in that short time. When I suggested to her that I wanted to go out on a few proper dates, M told me that it was not a possibility since she "knew that she would hurt me so bad". But, as a result of asking M for a proper relationship, she decided that our intimacy had to stop and that we should only be friends. She is 31, but she has only slept with with 3 people including myself. So, she felt weird sleeping with someone who was neither husband or boyfriend simply a friend. Whenever we became intimate, she would allow me to do everything except kiss her. She felt that kissing indicated intimacy. She just wanted to have sex to get her ex out of her system. One time we became intimate, she cried afterwards because she felt she was cheating on her Ex. She asked me why would I want to be around someone "so messed up in the head". I did not freak out. I simply wiped the tears from her eyes. Brought her some tissues and a glass of water. Held her and let her pour her heart out to me. She was afraid of intimacy (kissing) because she did not want to become emotionally attached to me. The irony is that (it appears) that I became more emotionally attached to her than she to I.

She married at an early age (20) to a man of her country/culture (India) that later controlled and abused her. Even her husband's family was very unkind to her. She supported the man while living in the US. When she finally got a divorce, the man ran off with 30,000 dollars and later remarried a less independent, more traditional woman. M only had 1000 dollars in her account, and she was able to build herself up. She is fiercely independent when it comes to her life.I respect her for that strenght alone. She constantly battles the expectations of her culture and american life.

So, she is very cautious about men in her culture because of her marriage to one. If a man seems to arrogant, controlling, too traditional - she backs out quickly. Jealously is a big turn-off for her. But, lately, she has made attempts to go to networking events to meet Indian men. She is reluctant to attend but she has been to a handful of events. I guess she feel a lot of pressure from her father to marry. To complicate matters, I am not Indian. I am of african origins.

From all accounts, her ex-boyfriend was great to her. He was not Indian as well. He happened to be Filipino. While her ex-husband showed her all the negatives of a relationship, her ex-boyfriend showed her the positives. Showed what a healthy relationship should be like. Reacquainted her with intimacy, etc. They dated for 3 years. When the Ex-boyfriend got cancer and went through chemotherapy, she took care of him. She even wished the sickness on herself. That is the kind of person she is. M also has a genetic terminal illness that leads to chronic back pain and arthritis. In some cases, the disease can lead to paralysis. Her ex-boyfriend took care of her through some of her roughest moments. I do not know why exactly he broke up with her...maybe he was afraid the relationship was becoming too deep. I don't know. Usually, when a break up occurs, the person can recover once the other is out of sight/out of mind. The trouble with this scenario is that M works with her Ex at a hospital everyday. They have been broken up for a year, and I know she has made some progress. But, I know that she is still not over him. When she found out that her Ex was seriously dating again and that he took his new girlfriend of 8 months to a 2 week trip to Europe. M was crushed because they once discussed such a trip together. So, by all accounts, he was perfect to her...and that fact makes it difficult for her to get over him.

As the situation stands now, it seems that I have become replaced by my roommate as an emotional confidante. My roommate was born on July 17, 1978. I do not have a specific birth time, but I do know that he has a sun in cancer, moon in saggitarius, mercury in leo, venus in scorpio, mars in scorpio, and a jupiter in cancer. Lately, she seems to be gravitating to him when she needs someone to talk to or hang out with. She likes to have the two of us around to hang out with. But, she seems to avoid being alone with me when before this was not an issue. I do not know why. It seems that whenever she cannot reach him; she gives me a call. I have told her that I feel like her second option/third wheel. She claims that it is only in my imagination. Both claim that they are only friends. She is not attracted to him physically because he is overweight. Physically, she is more attracted to the athletic build of her ex and myself. But, I was always of the belief that a connection is a connection. After telling me that she wanted only friendship from me, she told me that she sees me the same way as my friend/roommate. But, all accounts suggests that she is warmer more open to me and distant and cold to me. I pick up on certain details in our interactions. Whenever M looks at my friend, her eyes light up and she smiles. Whenever she looks at me, it a very intense, worried look on her face. The same look she had when she told me that we should only be friends. I sometimes have a hard time hanging out with the two of them because it seems that she showers him with affection/attention. M senses this and perceives me as being jealous/distant (a big no-no for her). She once told me that she feels guilty for leading me on and that affects her behavior towards me. M has attempted on a few occasions to set my friend up on dates, and my friend has encouraged her to get out there to meet other men. Even though, some people have commented that they would make a great couple. The joke about it to my annoyance. Both claim to see each other as brother and sister. I really do not know. They have a closeness that I will not understand. They claim that it is because they are from the same culture. At one time the girl mentioned that when she hangs out with the two of us - she is in her comfort zone and she does not want to leave it. I did not see this as being healthy because it felt that both my friend and I were acting as surrogate boyfriends to her as far as the attention we gave to her. The reason I decided to back away from M was because I felt that as long as my friend was around to be there for her -- my presence was not required. It seems that she was very upset with my distance. I thought it would not be noticed, but it has. As of today, she has not called. I will wait out a few days and see how the events will unfold.

All I know is that I have reached a point of resignation. It seems everything is out of my hands. And, honestly, I am afraid to react right now for fear of digging a deeper hole for myself.

Lauren and Miss Muffet - Thank you so much for taking so much interest in my heartbreak. Sometimes, I wish did not feel so deeply, but what can I do. I am an emotional creature trying to understand the ways and byways of the heart.

posted September 27, 2006 08:21 PM         

Cancer moons are so difficult! Let's say I had a Cancer Moon guy friend as an example.
He was in love with a woman who was in love with someone else and she was torn. As long as the woman was not around he idealized her. When she was around he badgered her for a relationship. Finally she broke it off, and at the end of this story where I was his friend, he moved next door to her!

Okay, another story with Cancer Moon, myself.
Guy (with Gemini ascendant) and I are okay together, everything is fine. Then I proceed to screw things up as soon as the relationship needs to be defined. He feels bad, and I feel bad.

Why? Cancer Moons need a defined relationship. A push. Otherwise it's scary. Too hard. They want a decison, a plan, from someone else, they feel tortured emotionally by distance and feel guilty by it. They idealize the missing person. Secretly they do not want to be separated from the other person at all, not ever.

If you pull away forever like this the hurt will run too deep to be forgiven. If you want her in your life you'll have to decide flaws and all if you want to deal with the indecisiveness which is part of her.

And any hurt that comes with it. You are allowed to reject her at any time for any reason especially if she betrays you with your roomate as that is not right.

I have to say,
If you reject her and make it permanent, don't go back otherwise she will try and get your back. Both of you will feel guilty.

Sorry to say Cancer Moons are insecure of what they offer and need a strong, emotionally secure partner.

I see you as a person who can be hurt so possibly not a good partner right now, add it up and see if she is worthwhile as a friend first.

On the other hand, I know many good pisces male, cancer moon female matches. Cancer moons trust water sun signs instinctively and trust is necessary to make decisions and feel secure. Other water moons are good too. In fact I've always said two water moons complete each other.

Your Gemini ascendant makes you a bit indecisive and insecure too, try to overcome this and do not act jealous, cold or moody without a logical reason. Once she gives you a real reason to reject her do so. But be prepared to defend your decision, and decide if she really does bring positive things to your life.

It's possible she needs to sacrifice for love. She went through hardships before with love and now she thinks all love has to be that way. Give her something meaningful to cling to, such as a future plan and stick to it when she questions and doubts you. Try to introduce the idea that you are offering a new kind of relationship that is better.

She is going to want you to be someone to suffer for and sacrifice for at first, she sounds emotional and passionate and needs to vent her passion somewhere. Look at her life closely and see if she needs something else in her life such as a better job or hobby. Remember to support her and encourage her in these things when she is defensive.

When things are really going downhill, offer her a back massage with no strings attached (nothing too sensual). It's pretty impossible that she won't appreciate that gesture at least, and keep offering.
(That's pretty much what melts me and I am a tough cookie!)

posted September 29, 2006 05:27 PM         

Aries are NOT good at discussing feelings.

They are super impatient and usually don’t’ want to deal with feelings. The other thing I’ve noticed is most Aries women aren’t “feeling types”…many times they have no idea how they are truly feeling.

They are more action oriented. More physical.

They also don't like to be pursued. They are SUPER independent and actually are more masculine in personality. They can come across as being blunt and rude in their words. They usually fight for the underdog and like being the one to chase after their lover/ be the one to call the shots.

I’m born April 20th right on cusp of Aries/Taurus with Aries in Mars. My best friend growing up was a Pisces, VERY wise and intuitive beyond her years as a child.

I always told her how weird it was that she could know how I’m feeling better than I could myself. She also had a memory like an elephant. I used to say “if we weren’t friends I’d remember not much about my own life!”

She was and still is more of a feeling oriented person – those feelings ran so deep, more than I could understand.

You might be picking up on her feelings. She may not have a clue as to what she is truly feeling inside so it’s hard for her to communicate that which she doesn’t know- but most likely intuitively what you do!

When you said "She once told me that she feels guilty for leading me on and that affects her behavior towards me."

Why do you think she would lead you on? For what purpose would she do that?

posted September 29, 2006 06:03 PM         

I have a quick question for you...

I know you are a Taurus and have great input and so insightful so thought you might be able to answer these questions.

What do you think a Cancer Sun/Scorpio moon male has to offer a Taurus Sun/Taurus moon female (being me)?

What do you know about Venus Virgo/Mars Virgo (same person) in the way they react emotionally and intimately?

What are the main fears that get in the way of intimacy for them?

Something in Kojos post made me think of something similar in regards to intimacy with this person I'm referring to.

Thanks!!
Nancy

posted September 29, 2006 07:54 PM         

However, Virgo wants long term and a plan with domestic life. Are you willing to settle down and form a structured plan around him? He would rely on you more for that as well as taking care of the house. He may not be as athletic as you.

On the other side of it, the earth mars and venus are very good for your sun and moon. What I see in the way of fears are his fears of being a fool, his fear of being hurt or being in the wrong relationship, or being with someone needy who keeps him back from his work. Plus he'll need to feel paternal, bossy due to the moon. He wants someone who follows but who can talk back to him, be aggressive and communicate daily.

You will also need to reassure his fears of being cheated on by being stable and in communication. Even though he'll act happy go lucky himself, he'll secretly worry.

posted September 29, 2006 11:02 PM         

You are very right on about M's aries qualities. M is indeed very impatient if things are not going her way. And, she is indeed very independent. She hates it when it appears someone is making a decision for her. When I explained to her the reason for my distance, she looked at it as if I "decided" the level of interaction that we should share and that I made a decision without consulting her. When I was having problems with my Ex-Girlfriend, M made the off hand comment that "no woman likes a man who is too accessible". She also made a comment to my roommate that I was "too nice" and had to tone that down with women. So, I have decided to let my roommate shower her with attention this month, and I will continue to pull myself away.

When I was intimate with M, I did not get the impression that she was leading me on. She did warn me that I should not fall for her and that she would hurt me so bad if I became emotionally involved. But, in all of our evening conversations, she would always say that "she missed me already" and that she "liked me a lot". She has not said these things to me in months, but I am surprised that she was able to turn herself off to me so easily and quickly.

posted September 30, 2006 01:47 PM         

Thanks so kindly for your thoughtful reply.

What do you think HE would have to offer ME? I’ve been realizing I need to focus more on what someone can offer me these days rather than what I have to offer someone else!

The reason I brought this up is because he has trouble being intimate. He says he was never raised being affectionate and rather had a very abusive life growing up. While he was here (I think I wrote part of this story in SoulUnions) he was so distant and cold. It seemed when we were getting to know each other he slowly was becoming more affectionate (totally out of the blue whenever it suited him) over time…but now when he came to visit (since we hadn’t seen each other in almost a year) he was so disconnected. I felt like I was being punished or something.

He withheld any sort of affection knowing that was the most important thing to me.

In Kojos post when he said: Whenever we became intimate, she would allow me to do everything except kiss her. She felt that kissing indicated intimacy.”

It reminded me of my situation. I tried to kiss him sensually and he said to stop that it made him feel uncomfortable. Meanwhile we only had a week to spend together and I wanted to be loving and intimate. And it seemed the more I tried to the more freaked out he became.

He’s actually very athletic (or at least extremely muscular)

He definitely wants the upper hand and has major control problems. He worries himself in trying to control the outcome of every given situation. A lot of fear inside him that at one point he wanted to try to release through therapy.

His fears are definitely of being looked like a fool, being lied to or being betrayed. ..or I think above anything of LOSS. He’s lost a lot in his life. He’s almost 30 and has never been in a serious relationship – I haven’t either though.

That’s a good line: “He wants someone who follows but who can talk back to him, be aggressive and communicate daily.” I always have something on my mind and am not afraid to say it bluntly and honestly. I think it’s refreshing but he in return isn’t as direct which bothers me.

“You will also need to reassure his fears of being cheated on by being stable and in communication. Even though he'll act happy go lucky himself, he'll secretly worry.” Ain’t that the truth- very well put.

It seems a career in therapy is calling you..you seem to have a knack for helping people! Thanks for all your words and taking the time to write.

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posted September 30, 2006 02:06 PM         

You are so sweet. I actually wish I was Ms. M..or at least in her placing knowing how much you care for her! Pisces have a way of deeply caring that is so tender. I hope that you are feeling okay…I know my best friend (the Pisces) has a way of worrying herself and taking on/soaking up all the energy around her that ultimately drains her.

Yes, Aries are SUPER impatient, very impulsive..usually

My uncle is a Pisces/aunt a Aries…and I have a uncle Leo/Pisces aunt…and it’s the same sort of dynamic..fire/water. The fire is usually more independent, come across as very self-centered, impatient, can’t sit still, move quickly like fire. The water is usually so much calm, understanding, patient, mellow..like a place that the fire can come home to and feel a safe haven.

In my experience with water men my main frustration is that lack of being direct. I feel a lack of communication sometimes because I think water signs tend to FEEL more. But fire signs communicate more with words rather than feelings. The thing I LOVE about water signs (which outweighs the lack of directness) is that they make me feel safe.

I feel like I could tell my bestfriend (the Pisces) or the guy I mentioned (the Cancer) anything and I could confide in them for life..and wouldn’t be judged or criticized. They just absorb and listen to what I have to say. Amazing listeners too! Which I think Aries probably love about water signs..is the ability to truly listen and be PRESENT- which most Aries have a problem doing! They tend to talk over people and aren’t really listening.

Aries can almost be very childlike when they don’t get their way-
This comment "no woman likes a man who is too accessible" is TOTALLY Aries. In fact I was going to say that Aries do NOT like to be chased at all. Above ANYTHING- they LOVE a CHALLENGE. Bottomline.

I’ve seen in it all my close Aries girlfriends. They like to be the one to chase. Part of the reason too is because the get bored easily. Pisces usually have a way of drowning in their sorrows and will take a beating (so to speak) for the person they want to be in love with. I could go on and on about this. But Pisces can have a tendency of getting abused in situations when a more unevolved (not sure if that’s the word I’m looking for) perceives their kindness as weakness.

But I will say that comment is b.s. She just doesn’t want a man that is too accessible. There are TONS of women that want an open man. She just wants a challenge is probably what shes getting at.

Comment: I was "too nice" and had to tone that down with women” This is SO Aries I can’t even believe it. Aries typically like macho men. I hate to say it but a lot of Aries like abusive men. Aries sign is the warrior and the women are very masculine. They perceive a nice man as pathetic.
If you really want an Aries woman you’ll have to know how to put her in her place so to speak. You’ll have to talk back to her, tell her like it is to the point of being rude. They love to spar verbally. They want a man that won’t let her get away with always having the upper hand . They can be VERY self-centered btw.

“So, I have decided to let my roommate shower her with attention this month, and I will continue to pull myself away.” That seems the best route at this point and what you feel is right.

I have a feeling the more you ignore her, the more a challenge is presented to her… all of a sudden she will want you.

Btw, think of a fish and a Ram. A ram likes to ram through things in an aggressive bold way. Now think of the way a fish lives life.

posted September 30, 2006 05:08 PM         

Just wanted to finish writing from earlier.

"She did warn me that I should not fall for her and that she would hurt me so bad if I became emotionally involved. But, in all of our evening conversations, she would always say that "she missed me already" and that she "liked me a lot"."

This sounds like she is playing psychological childish games. In her mindset of nobody likes someone too acccessible it could be she is playing the game of telling you to not fall for her so that in turn you will fall for her...and giving you her actions that conflict her words. Basic mixed messages- which is a sign of being controlling in my opinion. Am I making sense here?

When people give conflicting message little do they realize that you can only control what goes on inside. And karmically they will get exactly what they deserve. When that person no longer wants to play their "games' anymore and walk away...guess who is the one that feels out of control?

I guess what I'm getting at is it seems she has a manipulative and controlling aspect about her.

I was involved with someone that was so maniuplative and had to walk away because I kept taking on the conflictions going on in himself in myself. You can pick up on anothers energy and then think its your own! until you walk away and re-gain yourself.

“She has not said these things to me in months, but I am surprised that she was able to turn herself off to me so easily and quickly.”
That is fire for you. Fire burns really quickly. That's the nature of fire. Hot and quick. Sex usually with a fire sign is hard for a water sign because that too is quick and many times lacks the emotional depthness the water sign craves.

I'm sure you'll be hearing from her soon. When you say it "seems" she does not care..what spefically could she say or do that would make you feel like she does? I ask this because we all have different definitions (most not outright stated to the person) on what it means to "care" for someone.

Yes, only time will tell what will happen.

Keep us posted!