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InLoveWithLife
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posted April 13, 2007 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
Great book !! i've only read snippets from all the chapters....but it is GOOD !!!

it talks about depression, aggression, and the quest for a higher truth.....three of the most important unconscious dynamics. i was truly amazed at how they described the roots of depression based on the signs of Capricorn, Scorpio, and Sagittarius. will type out some of it here when i get the time.

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posted April 13, 2007 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurean_scorpion     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, I'm interested. Is this a new book?

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posted April 13, 2007 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
ummm...i'm not sure whether its a new book...it was recommended by people here....so i bought it. i'll type out some of it as soon as i get home

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posted April 13, 2007 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
On Depression...


I think that there is a basic predisposition toward the experience of depression in certain signs. I have already talked a little about this in relation to Capricorn, Scorpio, Gemini and Sagittarius. Each sign has its own special way of viewing life, and expresses selective vision- that is, one sees what one sees best, as Jung put it. It is as though we look out at life through lenses tinted with a particular coloration, and therefore we interpret life in very selective ways.

Sagittarius for example, perceives through the lens of Jupiter-Zeus, so that, given the enormous range of experiences available in life, Sag will focus selectively on the meaningfulness of those experiences, the lessons inherent in difficulties, the higher purpose behind why things happen. The event is not as important as what it has to teach. Somewhere in the psychic background is a feeling that life has meaning and is moving somewhere, and that there is a beneficent deity of some kinf who infuses things with teleology, with purpose. Therefore, if something bad happens, Sag reacts by asking, "What am I supposed to be learning from this? Why has this experience happened to me? How is it connected with other experiences, and for what purpose?" So Sag selectively perceives opportunities for growth, and will often not deal with the immediate negative feelings which a bad experience provokes. The negative feelings will cloud the intuitive perception of the meaning....
.....Because of this particular way of responding to life, there is often a backlog of difficult emotions tucked away in the basement of the Sagittarian psyche. That is why, if one finds aspects such as Venus-Saturn or Moon-Pluto in a Jupiter dominated chart, they are red flags for depression, because when these configurations are triggered, all the lost feelings come to surface-or, at least, will try to come to the surface. Sagittarius, however, is a good long distance runner, and can succeed in avoiding depression for many years.

On the other hand, Capricorn's perceptions are just as selective as those of Sagittarius; but the god who stands behind Capricorn is not Zeus; it is Kronos. Capricorn is not predisposed to see a world full of inherent meaning pointing toward some profound spiritual goal. It is the mortality of the world that Capricorn sees- its limitations, its inherent struggle, the very fragile nature of life, and the extreme vulnerability of the human animal. For Capricorn, one cannot expect grace from heaven; life is hard, and one must work doggedly to achieve any foothold in the midst of reality's constrictions. Human beings are always at the mercy of their own bodies, no matter how advanced the technology and how sophisticated the intellect. So Capricorn's selective perception does not register the inner meaning of an experience; it registers the experience as a confirmation of the human condition. This is an essentially pragmatic and melancholy perspective. It is an embrace of immediate experience rather than an intuition of the implications of the experience; and the sensation function, rather than the intuition, is the primary tool of adaptation and adjustment. Facts are registered, rather than teleology.

Therefore you can see that depression in a Sagittarian will have rather different roots from depression in a Capricorn. Depression of a kind is there all the time in Capricorn; the individual lives with it because it is built into the way he or she experiences life.......

Sagittarius becomes depressed, in contrast, because the individual more often than not has crashed into the limits that he or she did not wish to believe were there. The discovery that one is not immortal and special and exempt can be quite crushing to Sag. So too is the realization that one cannot have everything one wants, and that the finished product on the earth plane will always fall short of the brilliant possibilities that were initially envisioned by the intuition. This depression is quite different, because it is not part of Sagittarius' world-view; it arises when the world-view is challenged too harshly by life itself.

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posted April 13, 2007 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
If both Jupiter and Saturn are strong in a chart, through the placement of the planets of through emphasis in their signs and houses, then I think a major life-dilemma is described, and there is often a strong up-and-down movement with depression and a kind of manic defense alternating in the cycle of the individual's moods. One way of viewing manic depression is that it is a complex expression of the pain of accommodating a naturally imaginative, intuitive and romantic temperament with the limits of stark reality-inner and outer- and I can think of several cases of this problem where Jupiter-Saturn polarity appears strongly in the birth chart. Jupiter and Saturn together form two sides of what is essentially a religious problem. That dimension of depression which has its deepest roots in struggling to formulate a viable world-view has its astrological reflection in Jupiter and Saturn, Capricorn and Sagittarius. The meaningfulness and boundlessness of it perform a constant dance in both these signs, which are peculiarly prone to depression; and the personal losses, disappointments and separations which occur from the childhood on tend to feed into that basic and essentially archetypal conflict.

In contrast to both of these, the roots of Scorpio's depression are different yet again. Separation, loss, and the dilemmas of human relationship form the core of Scorpio's depression, because the god who stands behind this sign is the Great Mother, who represents the unity and life-preserving drives of all instinctual life. The Scorpio personality always seeks to merge with what he or she loves, while at the same time fearing the loss of power which accompanies such merging. The trigger for Scorpio's depression is loneliness and separation. Obviously no individual is purely Sagittarius, Capricorn, or Scorpio, and the actual roots of depression in a particular case are usually a tangle of all three. You can see how emotional disappointments might feed the innate cynicism of Capricorn, or destroy the romantic dreams of Sagittarius. You can also see how the vision of Sagittarius can cause Scorpio to assume too much in relationship, or how the basic mistrust of Capricorn can lead Scorpio into behaving defensively and therefore creating the very separation the individual fears.

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posted April 15, 2007 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Wow! I'm a Sag rising with Scorpio moon and those indeed have been causes of depression for me in the past. It's also a very good description of me. Sounds like a great book!

Also I know someone else who gets depressed and they're a Cap moon but with Jupiter conj. their ascendant. I think there's definitely a conflict there and it makes sense for me with that person.

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posted April 15, 2007 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
Oh god I just realised... having Saturn in my 7th house definitely depresses the HELL out of my Scorpio moon... having my moon ripped up like that a while ago definitely took the the Jupiter out of my rising. lol

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posted April 15, 2007 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
GeminiLover, i have posted some additional stuff on Astrology Forum....check that out too!
I'm glad you guys find it useful...i too loved it....i am a cappy, with venus sq saturn and sun sq pluto natally, and so quite prone to depression myself. it really resonated with me. although my depression is less of the cappy kind, and more of the sag kind.

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