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izodesmozina
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posted May 03, 2007 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
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ListensToTrees
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posted May 03, 2007 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I've been reading some amazing stuff lately and working things out in my own life.

I'll find some of it- extracts from books sent by a friend.

We all need to look beyond the surfaces of things. Go beyond the ego. Ask ourselves what TRUE LOVE really is. True love is God's love. It is unconditional. It is love for another person's soul. We express ourselves through physical love- being sex when in a romantic relationship with someone. But true love goes deeper than that. Sexual relationships, being 'in love' as opposed to TRUE PROFOUND LOVE- that kind of love I just mentioned- just create what is known as 'chemistry'.

We all need to work on letting go some of our ego and selfishness
We need to stop feeling the desire to control others or to be admired (vanity isn't real; this world is merely an illusion. Life will teach us. It will show us what is real).

All those other things- demons, vanity, our egos, the desire to have power- are all parasites that will take our life-force energy away from us.....if we ALLOW it too.

Wow, things are beginning to make sense- I am finding some of the answers my soul had been longing for and yearning to find.

Love and Light to All

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 03, 2007 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
A friend posted this:

Ask yourself honestly: are you looking for a steady, predictable life? Is this what you want? If so, you must realize that the world cannot offer you this. Nothing is steady. Nothing is predictable. Nothing will give you anything other than temporary security. Thoughts come and go. Relationships begin and end. Bodies are born and pass away. This is all the world can offer you: impermanence, growth, change.

Permanence cannot be found at the level of form. All form is in essence a distortion of the original formlessness of the universe. What is all inclusive, all accepting, all loving cannot be limited to form. Love does not choose its beloved or the moment of its expression. Love extends to all at all times. Love is without conditions; that it to say it is "without form".

Does this mean you cannot experience love in the world? Of course not! However, your experience of love will be diminished in direct proportion to your need to interpret or control it. Interpretation places conditions upon that which must be without conditions. When you establish conditions on love, you experience the condtions, not the love. You encounter the form, not the content.

Love expresses only through an open heart. Open heartedness is not a technique, but an emotional willingness that moves beyond the limits of conceptual definition. As each form changes, the heart opens without fear to its changing content.

To understand anything in the world, you must learn to look beyond the form to the creative intention. Tune into the intention behind someone's expression and you will see more clearly what that expression means for him. But look at the naked form alone. you will see only what it means to you.

"Looking beyond the form" is another way of saying "look beyond your own preconceptions." To see your brother as he really is, you must look beyond your own judgements of him. If you would know him you must come close to him, open your heart, and ask him what he intends. That is the only gesture that will bring you knowledge of him.

When one's intentions change, the form carries those intentions changes. If you are sensitive to your own intentions and those of others, you will be better prepared for changes in form.

Detachment from form comes from familiarity with others, not from estrangement. Distancing others does not bring detachment, but the opposite. Only when you let others into your heart do you become capable of releasing them.

Compassion and detachment go hand in hand. You cannot love someone and seek to control him. Only by wanting what is best for him do you offer your brother freedom. And id you do not offer him freedom, you do not offer him love.

~Paul Ferrini

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posted May 03, 2007 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Love is not what is ordinarily understood by the word. The ordinary love is just a masquerade; something else is hiding behind it. The real love is a totally different phenomenon. The ordinary love is a demand, the real love is sharing. It knows nothing of demand; it knows the joy of giving.
The ordinary love pretends too much. The real love is non-pretentious; it simply is. The ordinary love becomes almost sickening, syrupy, drippy, what you call "lovey-dovey." It is sickening, it is nauseating. the real love is a nourishment, it strengthens your soul. The ordinary love only feeds your ego-not the real you but the unreal you. The unreal you always feeds the unreal, remember; and the real feeds the real.
Become a servant of real love-and that means becoming a servant of love in its ultimate purity. Give, share whatsoever you have, share and enjoy sharing. Don't do it as if it is a duty-then the whole joy is gone. And don't feel that you are obliging the other, never, not even for a single moment. Love never obliges. On the contrary, when somebody receives your love, you feel obliged. Love is thankful that is has been received.
Love never waits to be rewarded, even to be thanked. If the thankfulness comes from the other side, love is always surprised-it is a pleasant surprise, because there was no expectation.
You cannot frustrate real love, because there is no expectation in the first place. And you cannot fulfill unreal love because it is so rooted in expectation that whatsoever is done always falls short. Its expectation is too great, nobody can fulfill it. So unreal love always brings frustration, and real love, always brings fulfillment.
~OSHO

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OzMeg222
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posted May 03, 2007 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message
Oh wow Izo, I relate to your story! Much as my pisces hurt me, I pretty much did the same thing to him but not to the same degree.
I was so scared of my feelings for him I pushed him away even when he was trying so hard. We were horrible to one another but in the end I STILL believe he was/is my soul mate.
We destroyed it, me as much as him if I'm completely honest. I can't see us finding our way back to one another in this lifetime but theres always hope for the next life (something inside me will always be hopeful though!).
One of you has to be strong and brave enough to fight the fear and make the first move. Good luck!

So to answer your question, can a soulmate hurt you? Most definately yes.

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izodesmozina
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posted May 03, 2007 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
ListensToTrees, OzMeg,

(((HUGS)))

Thank you both for your words!

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posted May 04, 2007 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
izodesmozina....

i remember when i saw your first post about this guy....how you felt that you would meet some day, and now you did.

if i were in your place, i think i would want to know FOR SURE. and i am not just saying it, i have done something like that. it was a very big decision. i took a huge risk. and it didn't work out. it hurt me a lot. (i moved across continents to be with the guy i loved....and he broke up with me)

BUT, it was also the best decision i ever took. my life took a turn for the better. some very unexpected things came out of it. met some wonderful people. i healed. i have changed. now i feel tht it was destined.

do what your heart tells you to. dont play mind games. tell him how you feel. tht's what i'd do.

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izodesmozina
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posted May 04, 2007 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, InLoveWithLife! I can't possibly express how moved I was with your post. It took a lot of courage to do what you did and a lot of character to accept that it is over... I am happy you found a meaning for everything that happened and that it brought you good things, as well.

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posted May 04, 2007 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sending you Love and Light

There is always light at the end of the tunnel.

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InLoveWithLife
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posted May 05, 2007 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for InLoveWithLife     Edit/Delete Message
izodesmozina...

it turned out to be the most rewarding thing i ever did. to tell u the truth, i knew in my heart of hearts tht it wudn't work out. but i also knew, that if i didn't do it, i would keep wondering for the rest of my life. which i was not ok with. (my sun/moon midpoint is in aries, and i can sometimes identify with arians like you, and some others. and hey, u have a cappy moon, don't you? i am a cappy sun ). I am thankful everyday that i took that step.

i am amazed at how much intuition you have. and glad to know that you are following your heart. i have a feeling things will work out in their own time for you both.

take care
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lalalinda
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posted May 05, 2007 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Izodesmozina,
There are all kinds of karmic relationships and most of them are about forgiving (and sometimes balancing the books) but a soul mate would rather die than hurt or disappoint you. You are more important than they are to themselves

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izodesmozina
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posted May 05, 2007 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
InLoveWithLife,
I do have a Cappy Moon, and also rising. I identify with Capricorns a lot hehe. I know what you're saying.

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posted May 05, 2007 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crabplanet     Edit/Delete Message
Izo,
What are the aspects that both of you have? You said you have a Cappy Moon...how about him?

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izodesmozina
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posted May 05, 2007 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, Crabplanet!

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posted May 08, 2007 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonDreamer81     Edit/Delete Message
Sending HUGS your way Izo!!!I believe that honesty is always the best policy...even if it hurts one of you.It may hurt now,but you'd rather have the truth now than later,when you or him has invested more energy in the relationship.Game-playing only hurts both of y'all in the long run!!Please go have a straight-forward chat with this guy and tell him you expect his complete honesty in return!!

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posted May 08, 2007 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for izodesmozina     Edit/Delete Message
Moon, thank you so much for your post and your encouraging words.

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