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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 05:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have a great article from November 2003 Dell.

It's written by Maria Shaw.

It interprets conjunctions between the n and s nodes with your partner's planets.

Maria writes:
"The Nodes represent one's soul purpose in life and that of former lifetimes. The North node is what you are here to achieve or reach for. It is considered a positive point and represents our present lifetime. It can bring in good things and expand your life. The South Node represents the past life and can bring in something or someone that you must settle a karmic debt with. There's unfinished business. The South Node is where you have come from and what you should leave behind or let go of."

I found the article fun, interesting, and very helpful, when looking at possible karma between two peoples charts. It's interesting to read her words, because when I first met my boyfriend, even though it felt familiar, and comfortable, the prevailing thought in my consciousness was, "been here, done this. I will NOT grow in this relationship." It felt very south node-ish to me, if that makes any sense. And I know at some point, in order to move on, I will need to release him. We're working out karma . . .

If anyone is curious, I would be happy to copy Maria Shaw's interpretation of a s or n node conjunction between you and your partner.

All I need is:

Aspect written in a sentence.

Example: "my husband's moon is conjunct my north node."

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MoonDreamer81
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posted July 06, 2007 06:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thank You,Thank You,Thank You!!!I have been looking for this info!!I have an idea,but would love to see what info you found!!

"My lover's Venus conjunct my North Node"

I don't know if you need the positions,but here they are...

His Venus(Leo 2 deg.40'43") House 1
My "Mean Node"(Leo 5 Deg.17'4")House 3
my "True" Node(Leo 4 Deg. 12'51") House 3

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 06:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi MoonDreamer!
I know, I was SO HAPPY when I found this article. I have alot of node (n and s) conjunctions in my most intense (for better or for worse) relationships!

As a matter of fact, my 9 y/old son and I share this conjunction that you have w/your lover. Here goes:

"North Node Conjunct Partner's Venus:
This is one of the best conjunctions for a love relationship. The North Node will get showered with lots of attention, affection, and perhaps even expensive gifts. The Venus person really loves you. It's the "soul mate" connection. This relationship may not always be a sexual one. It can represent a strong bond between parent and child or family and friends."

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MoonDreamer81
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posted July 06, 2007 06:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thank you SOO much!Only time will tell what kind of relationship we are to have,but I'm hoping for the best! Oh,Have you read Maria Shaw's Book "SoulMates & Hot Dates"?It worth a look!

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 06:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
No, I haven't heard of that one. I have read "Soul Mates and Cell Mates."

I'll have to read Soulmates and Hot Dates. Ha ha. That sounds fun!
Thanks!!! Good luck w/your love.

Get this, if Maria was correct, my ex-husband was my mother in a past life, and my current b'friend was my father!! Most of my experiences have been very s. node.

Once I'm ready, (I'm getting there!), I'll clean this slate and move to the n. node. lol

though, I will add that at least my current b'friend's moon sits on top of my North Node, which makes the relationship feel real close, and our moons are conjunct, too (taurus), so most of the time, emotionally, we are on the same page, and need the same things at the same time.

Do you and your mate have other conjunctions?

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darkdreamer
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posted July 06, 2007 06:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message
What would an Ascendant conjunct NN mean?

Thank you

DD

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 06:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi darkdreamer,
Maria shaw says this of NN conj ASC:

"Both people can benefit greatly from this relationship. There's alot of compatibility, and you really like one another. Friends forever! The Ascendant will always be there for the NN, and help him/her through life's ups and downs."

Best wishes,
Astrid

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cat71
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posted July 06, 2007 07:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Astrid
Wish there was more info then just conjunctions - my SI and me have the Venus (me) conj. NN (him), but also my NN is exactly sextile his Venus and ASC.

How bout this one - Saturn conj. Sth Node

Cheers

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MoonDreamer81
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posted July 06, 2007 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Our other Nodal conjunctions...

His Vesta conj my NN(3 deg.)
His Osiris conj my NN(0 deg.)
My Isis conj his NN(4 deg.)

We have a lot of Nodal aspects,but these,along with the previously mentioned Venus/NN are the only conjunctions.We have no South Node contacts whatsoever in our Natal synastry chart.Actually,that entire house(Aqua) is empty for both of us.In our heliocentric synastry chart however,my Valentine and his Amor are conj(-1 deg!) to our composite South Node(12 Aqua).

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 07:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hey Cat,
I know. I wish there were explanations on other aspects, too.

Ohh, finally, a S.Node-er! YAY!!!

SN CONJ PARTNER'S SATURN:
"Look at this connection as a chance to set the record straight. The sooner you pay off debts to the Saturn person, the better. You owe her/him a considerable amount, too. It's likely the SN treated Saturn unfairly in a prior lifetime. What you have sown, you now shall reap! Relationships such as this are one-sided and often filled with frustration and challenges."

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 07:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi MoonDreamer:

I'm relatively "new" to astrology, and I am not familiar with the energy associated with Vesta, Osiris or Isis.

Can you give a brief (or long, I have the time to read tonight!!) explanation of the energy associated with these? I'd love to learn more.

I imagine because they all aspect your NN, that the relationship would move you forward in your journey (rather than a heavier, karmic, revisiting, redoing sort of energy like SN aspects present). . . (?)

Just my hunch.

Interesting on the lack of SN contacts. I would guess you feel more free of restrictions with this person than perhaps some of your other relationships (?)

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 07:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message
As I'm responding to people, I'm curious what others think about something:

Question to those who have aspects to NN:
Do you feel lighter, like you are being lifted in this relationship towards your purpose? More free, less restricted?

Question to those who have aspects to SN:
Do you feel more restricted, even punished or in bondage on some level, and slow growth (though, we all grow, don't we? even the most restricting experiences have their purpose to help us grow, right?), like you are repeating something from the past, or repaying an old debt?

I'm just curious to hear what others have experienced. . . if you care to share. I would be particularly interested to hear from people who have moved on and away from relationships that were heavy SN. That is, you spent time with them, did the karmic work, and now this person is no longer in your life. How was this experience for you? At what point did you know the work was done? How did it end (divorce, quit job, death, moved out of town)? How were things severed--was it amicable, or intense, or even violent? Were there PPO's? Hard feelings, or is all well?

And is there REAL closure? *Pattern hasn't shown up with another person, etc.

This fascinates me....

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MoonDreamer81
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posted July 06, 2007 08:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I'm not real familiar w/ Vesta myself,but from what I know,ISIS represents the Divine feminine and OSIRIS reps the Divine Male.They are soulmates in the Egyptian pantheon.Diandra23 can probably elaborate more on this,or IQhunk.Yes...I do feel like the contact with this guy is definately "pulling me forward".I just found another interesting aspect on our chart I'd never noticed before.My Desc(sag.18) perfectly trines his NN(Leo18).And I'm guessing,since the Desc is where you look for "marriage partners" that his life path(NN) is to be my marriage partner(Desc.).Oh...I'm in love...(w/ someone I've never met..LOL)

~hearing violins~

...oh wait...that's just my iPod !LOL!

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Azalaksh
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posted July 06, 2007 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Astrid ~

Here's another South-Noder, one of my ex's..... His Mars in Cancer conj my SN.
It was a fun association most of the time with our Moons loosely conj and his Venus conj my Mars , but I think my Pluto conj his Sun and his Saturn conj my Venus were a little too much for us to handle at the time.....

Thanks!!
Zala

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 08:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi MD,
That is so beautiful! OMG!
You have alot of aspects, and I would put some serious significance on NN in DESC.

That must mean something, though I am unsure how to interpret for certain.

But what do you mean you have not met him? LOL!!! Are you a secret admirer?

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 08:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Good Evening, Zala,
Hmmmm. I can only imagine how intense you two were with the venus and moon aspects! WOW!!!! Sizzle. . .

But yeah, I hear you on the pluto/sun (wow!) and saturn/venus--tho, if given the choice I'd probably sit better with that as a conj than a sq.

Nonetheless, here goes:
SOUTH NODE CONJ PARTNER'S MARS:
"The Mars person could physically abuse you. He or she may be an energy vampire, draining and dragging you down. Most likely, this person was an enemy or adversary in a former lifetime and probably hurt you in some way. There was much conflict, opposition, and even all-out war!"
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Ouch!!! Sorry about that! I hope things were okay with you. . . but did you ever FEEL that old karmic energy with him? Or even a sense that something wasn't quite "right?"

My b'friend's Sun sits EXACTLY on top of my SN. And his Neptune is close to my SN. It's definitely a very karmic relationship. Not always easy. It's all work/no play (very little anyway) for me. It works for now, but us parting ways is not a question of "if", but a question of "when."

That said, our moons are loosly conj, too, and that rocks. We usually have same needs at same time. . . and his moon is exact conj to my NN. So there ARE good things, too.

Thanks for your post!!

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MoonDreamer81
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posted July 06, 2007 10:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message
It's an online thing!LOL!We've IM'd,talked on the phone,texted and sented videos via cell phone since last December.I'm hoping to meet him in person soon! I feel such a strong connection with him that it is really indescribable!

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 10:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Oooo, I met my boyfriend online. We're from the same town, and in September, we'll have been together 3 years!

My faith in net dating was restored. . .

So, do you know when you will meet-meet?

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MoonDreamer81
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posted July 06, 2007 10:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I'm hoping next Saturday!I'm ready!!! I will be in his town that weekend!

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Azalaksh
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posted July 06, 2007 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Astrid ~
quote:
The Mars person could physically abuse you. He or she may be an energy vampire, draining and dragging you down. Most likely, this person was an enemy or adversary in a former lifetime and probably hurt you in some way. There was much conflict, opposition, and even all-out war!"
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Ouch!!! Sorry about that! I hope things were okay with you. . . but did you ever FEEL that old karmic energy with him? Or even a sense that something wasn't quite "right?"
Nope, I didn't feel any "old karmic energy" He was a good guy, we just split up..... He and my brother were friends and had a falling-out, there were other issues involved, and he lived on the other side of the state too. Too bad, I probably could have had a reasonably happy life with him had we both been more mature and willing to work it out at the time.....

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 10:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message
AZ:
I'm so happy to hear that. Yes, sometimes it's totally a timing thing, too.

I'm wondering if one could go a step further with Maria's interpretations, and say, perhaps yes, in a past life there may have been harm done, but in this life, our souls have been given an opportunity to, and have chosen to, be good to each other.

I don't believe that we have to perpetuate that eye for an eye karma.

There's always an opportunity to take the high road, and do right this time around. In fact, there is a side to me that firmly believes we'll keep coming back to each other UNTIL we get this thing right.

I imagine he's one you won't ever forget.
Seems you had some nice compatibilities--but timing wasn't right.
I was happy to read your post!!!
Thanks so much for sharing!!

Astrid

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Astrid
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posted July 06, 2007 10:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message
MD, Wonderful!!! You must be tho exthited!

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darkdreamer
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posted July 07, 2007 12:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Astrid.

It`s interesting, I have some kind of stuff going on concerning the Nodes with a person, and you already gave the interpretation of every aspect. Seems, those aspects happen a lot.

I had Saturn exactly conjuncting this person`s SN.
And this person had their Venus - ASC-conjunction sitting on my NN.

DD

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girlloveboy
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posted July 07, 2007 06:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi, Astrid

I would be very glad if you could look up for this:
my South Node conjuncts someone's Sun and Mercury
and his North Node conjuncts my Chiron

I definetely felt familiar with him from the first moment, but also im developing and learning much.

Thanx so much

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cat71
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posted July 07, 2007 07:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message
That's interesting Astrid - he is the Saturn and I do feel a sense of 'owing' him, and also feel extremely protective towards him - although we are not in a close relationship yet, but 'I know' it is going to happen!

I also was wondering about Chiron, my Chiron is conj. his Sth Node; We have alot of asteroid connections too - what I'm thinking is, if there is an assumption that sth node connections mean we owe the other person in some way from a past life link, then you would interpret what is owed according to what the asteroid represents.
I.E. if Saturn conjunct Sth Node means (from your description) the opportunity in this life to be 'responsible' and pay back past slights - then the energy of say, Valentine conj Sth Node would indicate to me that the Valentine person had sacrificed themselves in the past in the name of love for the Sth node person.
Alot of Astrology is instinctual - do you agree, combining the energies of placements to find meaning

Wth my ex we had my NN conj his Mercury and I worked very hard to help him communicate his true feelings in many situations; his SN conj my Pluto - we had very different thoughts/feelings regarding life/death/spirituality and sex
And he had no conj. to my SN, but it took me a long time to realise I didn't 'owe' him anything. (However that could also be his Saturn/ASC opp my Sun and his Vertex conj my DC)
It was a very tumultuous relationship and he ended up abusing me on many levels, eventually I ran away and went into hiding (literally)
All good now though, alot of water under the bridge but we are able to hold a conversation 7 years on, but I still struggle with feelings of detatching myself from feeling responsible for him - perhaps this is also the Pluto conj SN?
I find Karmic astrology fascinating

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