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Unmoved
Knowflake

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posted May 24, 2008 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
These are the only words that I can say to men who approach me. Am I jaded? Has heart break made me unresponsive to men? What if I push a good one away? I am a romantic, and this bitterness, although unnatural to me, is uncomfortable to me. If I find someone attractive I push them away. How can I heal myself? Im a loving being and these barriers that Im building are more hurtful than protective. Im sabotaging myself and I hate it. Help.

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Azalaksh
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posted May 24, 2008 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi sweetie

Perhaps instead of seeing these new men as individuals, you're projecting upon ALL the men you meet the hurt you still feel from past unhappy relationships (or events).

Do you know what it is that you need to let go of in order to heal?? Who, or what, do you need to forgive??

Love,
Z

**edit** Or perhaps it has to do with (the dreaded) *Expectations*.....

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Love
Knowflake

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posted May 24, 2008 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved ~

Well, having gone through the ringer this year in terms of personal healing (I'm a psychotherapy student) I would say that we tend to repeat (aspects of) the same relationship with a different person over and over again until we heal and/or transform. If you have not yet discovered what the root of your pain is then you will likely remain in this state.

There are so many ways to get to the root of this problem but no one surefire way since we all respond to different techniques and healing modalities. One thing you can try is to attempt to connect to your inner child:

Inner Child Dialogue: Getting to know your inner child is often helpful since this is a part of ourselves that most of us learn to ignore as we mature into adults. But our inner child does not forget us and it sounds like yours is angry. Even if you find this excercise silly or pointless, try it anyhow. It can be sooo helpful.

With your dominant hand, write a question to your inner child. Then switch the pen into your other hand and write an answer. Each answer will likely provoke another question, so continue doing this until you feel you have released some stuff. Don't think about your answer at all, just try to write from within/the subconscious/etc. Also, it helps to do this with a crayon, or marker or pencil crayon since those are the tools children often use.

People are often amazed at what comes up for them.

This is one way of accessing whatever pain is in there. Of course there are so many, but it's a start.

Hope it helps

Love

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Unmoved
Knowflake

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posted May 24, 2008 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I think that on a deeper level Im trying to convince myself that I am meant for solitude. My experiences support this because relationships always end up down the drain but something within tells me differently. All my life I have been making men steer away from me by frightening then, by gaining weight so they wont find me attractive and pretty making them distant to me. Yes, I went to the lengths of gaining weight so that superficial men wont come close. I have turned down dates galore and if the other things didnt work I made us hate each other. I will try the exercise now. I feel so helpless. I will convince myself to like awful people so that I can use that as my defense. I dont know.

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hippichick
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posted May 24, 2008 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved

I recently went throught the same thing.

Zala is correct in that you have to realize that men are individuals and not all the same. Having said that, I have found that men, in general, have certain behavior patterns that are specific to the gender.

What I finally realized is that I had to adjust my expectations from men. I just wrote a blog on my myspace about how we are so societally programmed to expect romantic/intimate/sexual encounters when meetings of the opposite sex occur (given ofcourse we are talking heterosexual relations.) I expect nothing anymore than an "interaction" a meeting of two individuals. If it grows into more, so be it, but I do not expect this as I used to.

Funny, right after I made this realization to myself a wonderful man came into my life. Funny thing is tho, HE is the one wanting more, not me, and I am so, so proud of myself for not jumping in like I have always done.

Love

I like the inner child thought. I know all of my issues in life come from my childhood so I decided to re-raise me. I got out this portrait of me when I was about 5, hung it on my bedroom wall, and every morning when I got up I told myself good morning, I praised "me" and told me all the positive things my mother never did.

I took the huge portrait down, and now there are two baby pics in it's place of me. Still I look at that litle Fish baby that my mother never understood and love her as she should have been loved all those years ago.

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Unmoved
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posted May 24, 2008 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Also, what about me inspires me to go into unions that will eventually hurt me? Im not stupid but i seem to always put myself where I can prove that men are animals or where I can prove that I am the victim to their evils. I would like to stop this pattern. I will see the devil in their eyes but still go to them like a moth to a flame. Im tired. I desire whats best for me now but I cant figure out why. Thats why I have decided to be alone because if i like you, you are not to like me. This behavior is nonsense!

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Azalaksh
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posted May 24, 2008 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
I desire whats best for me now but I cant figure out why.
(Saturn in Virgo )

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Unmoved
Knowflake

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posted May 25, 2008 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Zala

Saturn in Virgo... Is the entire earth not going through this too, or is mine different because it is transiting my 11th House and in the house where my Venus and Sun reside?

added: Just thinking about the changes I could make, they all involve being vulnerable and doing frightening things like letting go of past hurts... well, that's exactly what I need to do, but Zala, you know what I have been through and I don't know if it is safe to let go of my fears.

Does that make sense?

I dunno. I decided to see a psychiatrist. Maybe s/he could help me dig further down my sub-conscious. Actually i don't know...

I have so many barriers.

I do not trust people.
I am afraid of people...
but, not without reason because I haven't always been like this.

Christ! Fasting always does this to me. I always see more of me than I bargained for. Hence I stopped fasting. I will carry on in a few days. I also just want to get all the work done on the self before the Saturn Returns grabs me.

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Azalaksh
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posted May 25, 2008 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
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Saturn in Virgo... Is the entire earth not going through this too
Oh yes, we all are.....
But everyone is having different adventures -- depending on what house Saturn is transiting in their charts, and what other aspects there are. There are probably millions of unique ways that Saturn in Virgo is manifesting in Earthlings' lives.....

Don't fear your Saturn Return, love It's a *good* thing, believe me. You will be ready for it by the time it arrives. You've done a lot of work on yourself, a lot of soul-searching. A Saturn Return might be *very* difficult for someone who has not done serious self-examination -- but for you?? You'll be fine

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Unmoved
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posted May 25, 2008 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
That's comforting Zala. Yeah, I am probably the poster child for self-examination. But to be on the safe side, I will carry on being vigilant on this self-exploration and sub-conscious exploration trip that i have been on for all my life.

I suppose I am too critical on myself, but i do what I feel I need to do.

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LEXX
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posted May 25, 2008 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps it is you who should be making the moves towards men instead of letting the ones in who are going for you looks wise.
Do you know any quite shy men? Are you avoiding men based on looks? There are wonderful intelligent men who are not considered handsome, or physically sexy. I am not talking ugly men, but the gentle shy bookish types, if you get my drift.
As for adding weight, in my experiences that really made little difference except in the age of the men approaching me. I am speaking of straight men here, not gay BTW.
Maybe too it is just not time for you to be in a serious relationship? You are young and still working on your career.

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Love
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posted May 25, 2008 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Hippichick makes a good point about re-parenting. Another thing you could try is to buy a great book on parenting and use it to bring up your inner child in a more loving, compassionate manner.

Changing the stuff on the surface is really just a band-aid solution, unfortunately. It seems as though you may possibly be stuck within the victim archetype right now...to help yourself out of it, try to remember that that's all it is - an archetype. By staying there, you end up creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Try to ask yourself why you have chosen this as a defense mechanism...or better yet, ask that of your inner child and when you get an answer, listen

I know how tough it is to be stuck where you are right now. It's like being in quicksand because the more you struggle, the more frightening and overwhelming it becomes and you can feel paralyzed.

Don't be so hard on yourself. It's so great that you're interested in moving forward and that you care enough about yourself to face these things. Give yoursself credit for your bravery in working within conscious awareness!

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CrimsonChyld
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posted May 26, 2008 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrimsonChyld     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Unmoved
Are you Virgo? I too am Virgo and have always put myself in the victim stance when it comes to relationships. I always seem to pick men who aren't right for me.
If you're feeling frustrated you might just want to take a break from dating and show yourself some love. I've heard that when we do so, that it makes a person glow. It is then that we attract others.
I am taking such a break now and am trying to romance myself and love myself. Maybe when I'm feeling better about who I am I will be ready for dating again.
Make sense?
Good luck Unmoved!

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Unmoved
Knowflake

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posted May 26, 2008 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you all. You all had some very constructive advice. To answer the short question, yes, I'm a Virgo. To respond to lexx... I am young and I'm working on my career but I fear that when my career goals are reached, I'll be more suspicious of males. At least now I'm just a girl like any other. When i'm successful I think it will be harder. That's why I desire to build my life with my life partner or go at it alone like now and end up alone. Lexx you know my demons. I desire to fear no more. I desire to be healed because i know that all my dramas are a manifestation of my fears. I also don't have criteria for the men I'd like to date other than kindness, mutual attraction and intelligence.

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 26, 2008 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I think its learning to listen to the intuition, to distinguish our true intuition from what we would like to believe.

I feel that our intuition can lead us to the right person.

I know in time I'll meet someone who is "right". Just simply someone with a pure heart who I am also compatible with personality wise. That's all I ask.

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Unmoved
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posted May 26, 2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I hear you LTT. ajso, I think I would be doing a man injustice by getting close because at the back of my head Im actually aware that Im not pure, clean or worthy even. Thats y Id rather be alone. Im too twisted, I have such a convoluted past and I'm too hard now. Yeah. I am not cruel enough to allow another to see my darkness because It's too much for anyone else other than me. Yeah. I'm not dating for the next 5 years. And ideally I'd like a life partner but It's like inviting someone to experience pain. I hurt them. They hurt me. No one wins so why even do it? I dunno.

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Unmoved
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posted May 26, 2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
How do I explain this? I don't want to say it out loud but to put it better let me say that, what kind of a sick person would I be to give someone spoiled goods, so to speak? So I think with that mentality I have convinced myself that men are the enemy because I'm intrinsically the enemy. I've been on retreat thinking and examining myself and I'm filthy. I might be dramatic but that is it in a nutshell. f it. I wasnt designed for companionship. So i go for idiots because at least we are both messed up.

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