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Topic: I just don't know what to think of her
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Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 05, 2008 03:21 AM
Ughh. I'm so frustrated with her. I don't know why I'm writing this. I don't think anything is going to help me.I'm only going to ramble here, offer no astrological opinions, so you probably won't want to read any further. Many of you have read my complaints about her before, anyway. She now wants to drive 250 miles (about 415km) to see me. She's been planning it all. She's a serial cheater and I don't want to be her next victim. I don't have faith in her. Still, much of me wants to be with her, and I undeniably feel a strange brand of love for her. I believe she has always liked me, then when she challenged me to guess her Sun sign, and I guessed correctly (to me she is clearly a Sagittarius), I felt her desire increase. With my avoidance of her, plus the intrigue I instill in her, I fear she is only coming on so strongly due to Sagittarian curiosity and the love of pursuit. Astrology aside, I get a very real sense from her that as long as I remain elusive, I keep her attention. If I ever give in to her, I would lose her interest. But I don't like games like those, and I won't play for long. We've talked almost every night for the past few weeks, and the questions in the air around us are starting to tie me in knots. I know enough about her, and enough about astrology, but I'm having an extremely difficult time making sense of us and our energies and our direction together. IP: Logged |
bunnies Knowflake Posts: 603 From: U.K Registered: Mar 2007
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posted November 05, 2008 10:47 AM
Are you scared what would happen if you surrendered to your feelings? There is a saying "In order to escape horror we must immerse ourselves in it"I think it basically means that if we keep running from that which we fear it seems worse. Perhaps you should just stop running and see what happens.You know you really want to. And you a Scorpio? For goodness sake I'm sure if she really gets out of line you will just do what Scorps do best and cut her off at the knees!!! IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 05, 2008 03:07 PM
'"In order to escape horror we must immerse ourselves in it"'Scorpio wants to possess people, and it must often be our karmic lesson to learn to let go. I am jealous and possessive, and she is the antithesis of that, a total free spirit, ultimate Sagittarius. Sagittarians can't be cut off at the knees, I think they're generally immune to Scorpios, they're experts of the "get up and go", and any attempt to contain them is very dangerous. Her Aqua Moon keeps her detached, and keeps me confused. Still, she may top the list of people who care most about me, and likewise she comes to me when she is happy or upset and wants me to share in her moments. Adjacent Signs are VERY karmic relationships, and thus often not meant to endure the test of time. All of these freedom loving Sagittarius girls come into my life, and they're trying teach me... ...to love and lose. If I let her into my heart, I believe she will break it, so maybe I must give her a chance to. IP: Logged |
deuxantares Knowflake Posts: 1201 From: Meet Me in Sofia Registered: Nov 2006
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posted November 05, 2008 03:50 PM
I agree about the learning to let go lesson for us Scorpios. I always attract men with Air moons, which doesn't click with my Scorpio moon. Have I learned my lesson yet? Yes, and it feels liberating. Now, I see that trying to possess people actually gives them control over me.Why does she cheat on her BFs? IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 05, 2008 04:27 PM
She used me to cheat on her last boyfriend, she said because she was tired of feeling lonely and unloved.She clearly planned it with me. With her other guys, history suggests she does it largely on impulse; the heat of the moment, with no regrets... ...she has Aries Mars in the 5th house trine Sagittarius Asc, so obviously it takes very little for her fiery sex drive to hit the surface. IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 06, 2008 03:19 AM
She's an intelligent and beautiful girl, can't she find someone else?IP: Logged |
bunnies Knowflake Posts: 603 From: U.K Registered: Mar 2007
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posted November 06, 2008 03:52 AM
I think your last line "Maybe if I let her into my heart she will break it" says it all. Yep she probably will, and more likely to if you are preparing for it to happen...you know, the old self fulfilling prophecy.But I think a heart smashed to smithereens is a rite of passage. It leaves you more compassionate to others because you can empathise on a deeper level, having experienced immense hurt. It gives you a sense of empowerment because nine times out of ten it WONT kill you! You will have an experience that will change the way you think for the rest of your life and sometimes for better. Or you can dodge it forever, but like they say "A life lived in fear is half a life" Why don't you just get it over with. Open your arms wide, bare your chest and say "C'mon baby...give it your best shot! IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 06, 2008 04:06 AM
Bunnies-I worry, but my concerns wouldn't stop me from trying with her. I have no one else right now, and I'd be willing to give her whatever she wanted. I'm just tired of flings. I hate flings. I don't believe she would ever fall in love with me, so I question what this is all worth. IP: Logged |
bunnies Knowflake Posts: 603 From: U.K Registered: Mar 2007
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posted November 06, 2008 10:57 AM
Well I don't know how you are with her so I can't really judge but from your posts I assume you're a bit defensive and not as open as you could be with her so.....maybe if you stopped being so fearful?Why shouldn't she fall in love with you? The woman is driving miles to be with you. O.K maybe she used you in the past to get back at an ex.....who hasn't done something similar? But trust me a woman is not going to put herself out to that degree for someone who she is just using. There is something there. Maybe she doesn't even know herself yet but instead of meeting her on the doorstep brandishing a crucifix and shouting "Begone evil woman who intends to rip my heart out of my chest, throw it on the floor and stamp on it" why not try to see how things play out? Don't ask her why she's there. Just make her feel glad that she is. I did the same thing (as she is doing) to someone once and because he smiled benignly at all my machinations, didn't seem perturbed at all but just told me he was crazy about me....well eventually I fell in love with him. Sometimes we have to override our astro nature and not give it too much house room! Hell I'm an Aquarian, and even I have been known to mumble "I love you"...and then not run away!!! IP: Logged |
bunnies Knowflake Posts: 603 From: U.K Registered: Mar 2007
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posted November 06, 2008 11:05 AM
Oh I have just missed a crucial thing.She used you to cheat on her ex because she felt lonely and unloved?? Dwell on that Prince of Darkness. There's your free spirited, devil may care, who gives a flying...? Wounded and defensive and just looking for love like the rest of us.
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LetsDance Knowflake Posts: 268 From: Where there's dancing... Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 06, 2008 10:08 PM
SW, Hey.No offense to you, but you sound lonely to me. We have all been there. I don't have any advice except to say that I like the way you are. To me, you are at a point in your life where you want something meaningful because you know there is something better. I pray that you are guided by light and wisdom that will bring you laughter and exuberance. God bless you. IP: Logged |
Atlenta Knowflake Posts: 501 From: Registered: Jun 2002
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posted November 07, 2008 11:11 AM
Hope you don't mind me butting in here . Now when I read what you wrote, I feel a deep sense of reluctance on your part. Thing is, WHY force love when you don't want it?It reminds me so vividly of a recent occurence of mine. Somehow I feel obliged to give the person a chance. BUT, there is a difference between reasoning and truly wanting. If you really liked her romantically, you will be with her in a heartbeat, cheater or not. I don't think feelings can be helped at all. And the worst thing is to settle for someone you wont respect because of values (hers are obviously incongruent to yours, for e.g., you dont like cheaters).. how can you expect happiness with her, it's not possible. (By the way, this is reasoning as well, but it makes sense to me, because this is how I feel about a certain person who professed to like me!) Perhaps you still haven't let go of someone else. The resistence is speaking, maybe if you listen to it you know that what was not formed in the first instance was never there at all? hope this makes sense (..and nevermind if it isn't accurate) p.s.: I had that same fear and resistance, so I think I can relate. Best not to take action, till an impulse is there, i suppose! IP: Logged |
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 4631 From: Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 07, 2008 12:41 PM
I think what bunnies said is brilliant and I also agree with those who say, if it's not right, it's not right. (yeah, yeah, leave to the Libra to take two contrary views...) What I was thinking about the karmic lessons, etc, is that the one thing I have learned from my own 'one sign away' relationships is that loving someone is about loving them NO MATTER WHAT. Just the way they are. Flaws and all. F-ups and all. Destruction and Disease ... all. If you can't love and accept them for the f-ed up person they are, then you can't love and accept them for the f-ed up person they are. It's that easy. You see what she is. You KNOW what she is. You know WHERE she is in her development and you know that somewhere down the line it will come to a time when she must do battle with this darkness within... this temptation within to escape using sex when things get too confusing or complicated between the two of you. You know she will want to run away. You KNOW it. You know there will a showdown in the future and the only thing you can say to yourself is that you know that when you met there was a 97% chance that she would do it to most guys when the stuff hit the fan and you can look at your own strength and say, I think I can add about 15% to the 3% chance she WON'T DO IT, making that 18% chance she won't and she is so meaningful to me that she is worth the gamble. If I lose, I will have brought her a little closer to victory next relationship and she will have given me greater strength to heal the next person... and that's probably what our souls agreed to in the first place. Then remind yourself that your main goal isn't to 'get', it is to 'give' and to stay 'in love' (within love) and then lay your bet if you are feeling brave. Otherwise, go home. Survivor will be on Thursday, after all... and you might even have cable. yippie IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 07, 2008 02:48 PM
Everyone, thanks so much for your replies, it's really comforting to have people listen. I have never known a Sagittarius girl to have such prolonged periods of sadness as she does. My own life is full of dark moods, and her sadness is very beautiful to me. Last night she was particularly upset. We talked for 3 hours, and I was surprised by the things she was saying. We're both so lonely, and I feel like I may be underestimating her capacity to love.
Her Aquarius Moon, and as I'm quickly learning about Aquarius in general, seems to be an enigma even of itself. I know I've stated those exact words before on this website, but even with a sound astrological understanding, once again many of my preconceptions of Uranian influence are being challenged. She is unpredictable to be sure, so I don't know what tonight's conversation will bring, but last night gave me hope. I can go on forever talking about the things she has said, but I think I need to wait and let her and I develop. Again, thanks so much, everyone. IP: Logged |
sadie8 Knowflake Posts: 9 From: NY NY USA Registered: Nov 2008
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posted November 16, 2008 10:52 PM
Thank you Mystic! You said it best but I'm gonna drive the point home...I have Venus in Sag along with many other planets in my 1st house and in my youth I was known to be a heartbreaker of sorts. Speaking from personal experience this girl has NO IDEA WHAT SHE WANTS! And hey there's nothing wrong with that, but there's no reason to put your neck on the chopping block to "teach yourself a lesson". You know what that lesson is since you already know where you stand! If you ask me, you go thru with this and you're just making a stupid mistake. If I were you I'd get down with the chick one last GOOD time and cut then ties for good. But if that kind of emotionl detatchment in sex is something you don't think you can handle then cut your losses and say goodbye. Astrology aside, "karmic lessons" aside, anyone who cheats WITH you may potentially cheat ON you so, you know. 'food for thought' or whatever.IP: Logged |
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 4631 From: Registered: Dec 2005
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posted November 20, 2008 06:00 PM
“The man who achieves makes many mistakes, but he never makes the biggest mistake of all - doing nothing”~ Ben Franklin “Thinking you know when in fact you don't is a fatal mistake, to which we are all prone”
~ Bertrand Russell “The greatest mistake you can make in life is to be continually fearing you will make one”
~ Elbert Hubbard “The price of inaction is far greater than the cost of making a mistake.”
~ Meister Eckhart Always go for it. And always love.
"You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you just might find... you get what you need." ~ The Rolling Stones "All you need is love."
~The Beatles IP: Logged |
LetsDance Knowflake Posts: 268 From: Where there's dancing... Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 21, 2008 08:26 PM
and "...a little help from your friends." ~The Beatles ************** Love to ya, Mystic!
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FistOfLegend Knowflake Posts: 53 From: Registered: Nov 2008
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posted November 28, 2008 12:25 PM
Why would you encourage him to go for it? This guy calls this girl a 'serial cheater', and he doesn't want to be her next 'victim'. Sounds like a lot of promise going on there. You're quite the friend.
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bunnies Knowflake Posts: 603 From: U.K Registered: Mar 2007
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posted November 28, 2008 02:45 PM
Welcome Fist of Legend! Nothing like starting off with a bit of a bang I think sometimes with women, serial cheating is a sign of insecurity and not necessarily as in males....because they can! Perhaps he may be the one to change her ways but we can never know till we try.Sometimes you just have to throw yourself into the mix. Either that or stand on the sidelines wishing... IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 7452 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted November 28, 2008 03:30 PM
I'm wondering about the term "serial cheater." She "cheated" on her last two boyfriends, or her last eighteen boyfriends?? What exactly is involved in the "cheating??" Sexual infidelity?? I mean, what was the quality of her relationships with these men she "cheated" on: were they engaged, or were they merely seeing each other exclusively but with no strings?? She says the reason she strayed was that she felt lonely and unloved. It's difficult to do more than speculate here, coming second-hand so to speak. But a mature person doesn't "cheat" when they feel lonely and unloved -- they discuss it with their S/O and come to an agreement: stay in the relationship if behavior changes are made, or depart the relationship. I haven't read any other threads about this woman so am unclear about her age.That being said, perhaps your Saggie lady regrets her "cheating," or the way her previous relationships ended. Perhaps, free spirit or not, she's ready for a deeper relationship. Where they love, Sagittarians can be VERY faithful -- my Sag Sun/Moon father was married to my Cappy mother for 49 years. Learning to "let go" is a lesson that only time and experience teach. If you're going to play hooky from EarthSchool due to fear of loss, this valuable lesson may never be learned -- what a shame to waste a Scorpionic incarnation due to fear of rejection and unwillingness to compete..... IP: Logged |
CrabbyFish Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Stranger In A Strange Land (Eugene, OR) http://www.binky.freelife.com Registered: Jan 2007
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posted December 09, 2008 11:37 PM
Have u done a chart comparison Scorp?************************ Cancer Sun/ Pisces Moon ARIES RISING IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted December 10, 2008 12:09 AM
Yeah, I've compared our charts a few times, along with various synastry calculations. But considering how things have slowed between us, I see no point in getting into my astrological thoughts. I believe (and hope) she has found someone else.She and I are both curious about a relationship, but I feel neither of us are interested in actually trying to make us happen. I would fall in love with her personality, then I would leave her for her habits. Maybe in the distant future we'll come together, but I doubt it. At this point, it seems neither of us have what it takes to commit to the other's needs. I must look for a different woman. Thanks, everyone, for your input. No need to reply to this thread any longer. IP: Logged |