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kaira
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posted December 31, 2008 08:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message
not let it hold you back, in what you do in life? and not let it confine who you truly are?
i've always wondered this, but as soon as i act upon it and see that i'm not letting myself be who i am, i always seem to gradually go back into this state where i just aim to please my partner, in fear of becoming detached to them or losing them.
obviously this is because of my Libra mars and all those annoying aspects to my Saturn, Uranus and Neptune (it squares them all in Capricorn), but i'm wondering if there's a way to overcome this? basically i really need advice i hate coming across as someone who's needy and can't live their life without their partner with them.

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Peri
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posted December 31, 2008 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
You should think over why you tend to choose needy partners;
Someone said: 'relationship is the art of "give and take and we need to learn where to "draw the line" in the spirit of "fair play."

heh, I am still learning

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bunnies
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posted December 31, 2008 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Because you are young.And I am not patronising you. It's just something everyone does. because it's best when you are with your partner....end of story.
Once you have been married or lived a long time with someone you gradually ease up on that.
My best friend since chidhood was terrible when she was young. She would get a new boyfriend and you wouldn't see her for however long it lasted.
I remember ringing her once to catch up and she said "What do you want? Couldn't cut the conversation quick enough!
She would be too preoccupied even to speak to her friends.
Now she is married to someone and they spend months apart and she is fine.
Don't worry about it.
It's part of you. One day you will find an interest that will so absorb you that you will have to focus on something else.

But kaira when you are young "Love is all" and so it should be!!!
It gets dull and jaded quick enough when you are older and you have kissed more frogs than princes!!!

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kaira
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posted January 02, 2009 05:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message
but i don't want to wait till marriage, i need to ease up now...

i get obsessed over a partner, and i quit focusing on studies or my OWN life, and i'm more concerened with theirs. i really need advice on how to do that.

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bunnies
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posted January 03, 2009 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Well ok! but I have to reiterate. Most people do this when young. Par for the course. I did it, my friends did it, everybody I know did it.
I think that forcing yourself to do opposite things, like going out with friends when you don't want to, only compounds the problem. You then associate nights out with friends as unpleasant distractions from your loved one.
But men are actually excited by women with their own things going on ,so just try and realise this.
Set some time apart to study (20 mins is the most the brain can absorb comfortably at one sitting) and then permit yourself to wallow in love angst only AFTER you have done this.
See? Reward system. You can do both. Study 20 mins....20 mins obssessing....call a friend and chat about what's happening exclusively in their life....hang up....obsess about your love.
But do not....I beg of you...oh it's too late?....look at their bloody charts.
Don't find his time of birth and over analyse the poor fella. Just let him be.

But there is an old saying
"Passion and reason cannot co-exist"

True for women. We can't compartmentalise like men. They can go to work, forget about you until they have a space in their brain TO think about you!
Unlike women where everything gets shoved out of our brain lobes to make way for.....HIM...
Relax. It's the way we are wired. Even the most hard nosed female will drift off when in love.
I once asked a friend of mine who was suffering untold agonies over a broken romance
"If I could offer you a pill that would stop this pain and make you forget any feelings you had for him would you take it?

And in a heartbeat she said "No"

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oneruledbymars
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posted January 03, 2009 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Kaira,
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I have Venus and Mercury in Pisces, there is nothing I want to do more in love than fall into or become submersed in my partner..
But remember Kaira, you have a reason for being here.
You have special talents you have brought into this world. You have a lifepath to walk, and karma to neutralize. In short you have much to do in this life, that only you can do.
So I say first start by strengthening your connection to the Creator source. Use your spiritual talents and your interest in Esoteric studies to glean knowledge about yourself and your life path. Learn all about the wonderful soul that has incarnated this life time as Kaira, you will find that this alone can occupy much of your time for you truly are a beautiful soul, with a very colorful existence , causing you not to have to want to be in your partners presence 24/7, because trust me you have lots to remember lol.
When you are centered in this way though, there is no need for you to become obsessed with your partner.
As there is no need for them to be obsessed over you.
I always look at my energy levels. The moment I find that they are taking more than they are boosting I began to map my energies and exam exactly why and how they are being affected.
Do you understand why I say that?
I mean really what happens if you don't please your partner? (When I say please, there is a difference between making there favorite meal to "please" them, or doing anything in general that lovers do when they are in love to please or satisfy one another, what I mean is not exercising, or meditating, or eating healthy or defining your parameters and setting up boundaries or just not doing anything in general in your life that helps to maintain your energy levels and your connection the Divine, because you are afraid that they will leave you for not being available for them 24/7) Are you scared they will leave you? If they leave you, will you die? No. You will live. Maybe in some emotional pain for a while in physical reality, but you will live. And eventually you will not feel that pain anymore.

Besides the pain is good, its a by product of inner alchemy at its most productive stage, really who does not want there soul refined and there frequency tuned and raised, but thats getting off the subject. Anyway if they do leave, more than likely you will be better off without them.(and then you find that the Universe has been trying to get you to see that all along) But in any case you didn't incarnate on this Earth to "please" another soul Kaira. Your Soul is way more precious than that, and so is your energy.
You need only to realize that, to know how absurd it is that you would even try to "please" another Soul in a soulmate connection. Who you are should please them, and if it doesn't then so be it. Trust me there is someone who will, until then walk your lifepath and continue to perfect yourself and your connection to Heaven and Earth and the conductions of those energies however they manifest in you.

But bunnies is right. Age does play a factor. Even though it makes me wince to say this sometimes wisdom does come with age. I hesitate to say that because I have found that many young ones incarnating at this time are much wiser as they carry over many of there South Node traits and memories without a second thought (IE: Indigo Children) and therefore I see no reason why you couldn't be better at balancing out your energy level in your relationships, awareness has no age.
How old are you by the way? lol


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AcousticGod
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posted January 04, 2009 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I always think of it as a Neptune in the 7th or conjunct Venus sort of thing.

Ok. Two things come to mind.

One:
Be with someone who doesn't hold back on what they do in life. As long as they're not counting on your service to help them along the way, you'll be able to go your separate ways when it comes to stuff you both want/need to do individually.

Two:
Go for someone you're less passionate about. It sounds bad I know, but it's pretty sound logic. Part of your desire to please your partner is because you're simply too into them. You don't want to experience rejection, and you want them to love you as much as you love them, so you cling to pleasing them fearing that if you do otherwise you might harm your relationship.

If you're with someone you feel more friendly to rather than passionate about, you'll feel more comfortable doing what you need to do. Part of what the more friendly relationship will offer you is an easier means of communicating. For some reason communication between passionate lovers gets muddled easily. There's lots of potential for hurt feelings and misunderstandings. When you're slightly less vested, the communication has less passionate overtones, and it's easier to communicate effectively.

Have you ever noticed that you never really feel like friends with your boyfriends?

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emma_duncan
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posted January 04, 2009 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
Kaira do you have lot of planet in western side (house 4 to 9) or a busy 7th house?

and i agree with those who said time makes lot of changes...

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bunnies
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posted January 04, 2009 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
These guys are right kaira.
And as oneruledbymars put it (and I so agree)I think younger people today are more capable of deeper thinking.
When I was young...glory be...I could just about function and if I had a crush, it would be a miracle if I could avoid walking in front of a bus I would be so preoccupied!

Oh but so what?
I'd prefer to be that way than worried about mortgage payments, council tax, my latest gas bill (which is equivalent to the national debt of a small Balkan state)the plunging UK economy, the horsetail cracking my driveway.....Zzzzzzzzz....


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oneruledbymars
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posted January 04, 2009 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
bunnies- OMG! You made me think of all my numerous crushes as a kid and teenager, and even my relationships in my younger 20's. Wow! I would just about be completely, insanely, into these people, so much so that I could barely eat or sleep much less think about loving myself, lol. I wrote one a letter everyday for like 6 months because we lived 45 min away from each other! lol
Sickening! lol
In our case, age has definitely brought wisdom, or was it heartache that brought wisdom? hmmmmm lol

Acoustic God, you are very right! You led me to start another thread in the Soul Unions forum, check it out and tell me what you think.

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bunnies
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posted January 04, 2009 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
EXACTLY oneruled!
I remember running around a park in Amsterdam one gothic night searching for a Dutch guy I had had a thing with one European trip.
I probably wouldn't be a***d (the English version!) venturing into my driveway for love now!
"You want me fella? Call back at a reasonable hour!

And let me tell you...I miss that love craziness. That's why I don't actually think kaira has a problem as such...just a symptom

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bunnies
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posted January 04, 2009 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and sadly hun I think you are right.
I think heartache brought wisdom.
Oh God. That's a profound thought.
Well now I'm depressed!

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oneruledbymars
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posted January 04, 2009 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
ahhh bunnies, don't be depressed, lol.

I think its like we were so full of love, and we wanted so badly to love someone, and it kept getting trashed and trashed and yet we kept giving it like little robots, only to have it trashed again only to give it.....one more pitiful time.....and what do you get...well in my case trashed again! lol But its cool because then I decided I better figure out whats going on here. Whats wrong with this picture, and that forced me to wrap my mind around something higher, and higher, to deal with each successive layer of karma.
You know I think that we had be hurt, so that we would look into ourselves and refine ourselves, vibrate at higher frequencies, in which we only attracted more intense relationships, but as we moved through each dimension of reality, we certainly never looked back. At least I didn't.
...maybe thats why I don't miss that "Crazy In Love" part. In fact I remember in the last 5 years, when I was in the initial stages of relationships, I remember thinking, "When can we get to the good part", yet the good part never really came, only the trashed part, lol. But Soul growth did. And I held on to the Spiritual side until, last time, I just never let go of the Spiritual, I feel like I no longer need, the physical love, its nice but its not necessary anymore.
Its necessary for me to do what I came here to do.
My Divinely chosen path.
The rest will fall in place.
I feel like the reward will be great though in the end, no matter what this Universe has in store for my life path and I guess thats why I don't look back.
I am nothing, defined by nothing. I am not my soul connections, I am not my material possessions, I am not my opinions, I am merely Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, and Oxygen.

When you look at it that way, you don't miss love because you are love. You are the love that you feel for yourself. Love is a one way street....

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bunnies
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posted January 04, 2009 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
And Amen to that xxx

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leapinglemur14
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posted January 05, 2009 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
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oneruledbymars
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posted January 05, 2009 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Leaping Lemur-
*hands on my hips*
Well, I am just going to take that as a compliment. But only because I love lemurs! Especially the ringtail ones, they are so cute when they are babies! Anyway, yeah your right, the Sag preachiness kind of spills out, and makes the posts a little sermon like.
*throwing hands up*
I can't help it though! lol

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kaira
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posted January 05, 2009 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message
thanks for the advice guys, it's really helped.

i've decided to ditch him, even though he's basically my soulmate, and i knew he was the first time i met him 4 years back. but i can't be with him, i guess i'll have to say 'eff you' to all those venus-pluto conjunctions, sun-moon conjunctions, venus-mars opposition etc, it's causing me too much pain and i'm ONLY 19. i don't need to go through this, no matter how important he is to me.

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oneruledbymars
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posted January 05, 2009 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Your welcome Kaira!

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posted January 06, 2009 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
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bunnies
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posted January 06, 2009 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
There you go kaira.
We can spout all our knowledge, wisdom gained through our lifetimes, snippets read from "How to blah blah blah.....but the greatest gift is the one you have just mentioned...self realization.
If I had had an Nth of that when I was nineteen!
The fact that you know at that young age, that you don't need to waste energy on wrong situations or people unworthy of your love is a gift and I am sure you will cope admirably with life...
Without snippets from Aunty bunnies
"How to run headlong into any crap situation you can think of without a moment to stop and ponder Volumes 1-20!!

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oneruledbymars
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posted January 06, 2009 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
LeapingLemur;
lol Sags are a lot of fun to say the least!

Bunnies:
Isn't that the truth.
Self realization is one of the most beautiful energies on this planet. (when its not working on your) lol

Kaira:
I am with Bunnies, you are going to have one hell of an amazing lifepath.
*tips hat to you*

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