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MysticMelody
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posted September 02, 2009 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will never be what you want me to be
I will never be you

There are other perspectives you can't see
and I can never show them to you

You live your life in your own little world
seeing only what you want to see

And judging others by a standard
of a stagnant morality

Sometimes I get through
briefly

And then you encompass my view
and forget it was me
who opened your eyes
to see

I am a failure
an embarrassment
a poet
not a worker bee

I will never be
what you want me
to be

You know that character
in Good Will Hunting?
He won that noble prize thing in math
Robin Williams called him an arrogant ****

I think of you every time I see that movie
and I want to tell you that I like me,
that my life has meaning
even though you see me as a failure who doesn't amount to much.

I will forever chase
after your approval
and if I fail
it will be your failure too
Because I can never succeed
when I am split in two

trying to be what you want me to be

but I will never be what you want me to be

I can only be me.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 02, 2009 10:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you rock.

(i am curious....is the chiron,neptune, jupiter things aspecting your chart?)

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future_uncertain
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posted September 02, 2009 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is one of the most moving pieces I've ever read here. Your honesty is touching and palpable. Please keep being you.

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GypseeWind
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posted September 02, 2009 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very poignant, I feel the same way about mine!

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Azalaksh
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posted September 02, 2009 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice!!

Could be my own mother in your descriptions, Mel (who, btw, calls me a nymphomaniac because I've slept with men that I didn't marry )

I may have turned into a worker bee (or the rats in the rat-race won), but I've still got my rebel attitudes, and, like the noble weevil, I am slowly boring from within

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MysticMelody
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posted September 02, 2009 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm really surprised I got so many comments. Thank you all. I am not sure what is transiting my chart, but I will check. It gives me comfort to know the feeling is shared by others... I wrote it really quick, just here. Venting, I guess.

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AcousticGod
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posted September 02, 2009 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ok, I'm back. In a nutshell, awhile back I realized that the way I go through life is a reaction to my parents. It screws me up in some ways, because I'm hesitant to be too ambitious having seen what it amounts to, though I need to keep some ambition. I mean, it's a natural part of having Cardinal energy, for one, but also it's not really bad to have ambition, it's just about keeping the balance and avoiding the pitfalls/failures of the previous generation.

My improv teacher and few others in class have similar stories.

Don't be afraid of your freedom ~ I'm Free, The Soup Dragons

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MysticMelody
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posted September 04, 2009 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sharing, AG.

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Valus
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posted September 04, 2009 08:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah,
everyone's right
(except your mother).
You do rock!

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GypseeWind
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posted September 05, 2009 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, there was something I wanted to add, but it is 3 am , and I've consummed cough syrup, which is a baaaad thing for me. So hang on and I will be back when words are not doubling.

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GypseeWind
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posted September 06, 2009 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't forgot, but too many jello shots last night, and I will screw up what I wanna say, so I will be back, cause I've thought alot about you since you posted this.

Jello shots=unprofound (worse than usual comments from me)

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MysticMelody
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posted September 07, 2009 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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GypseeWind
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posted September 10, 2009 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I keep avoiding this cause it is so difficult and I don't know that I can explain what I think clearly enough.

First of all your Mother is a product of her own upbringing, so you have to factor that in. She might project onto you alot of what was thrown on her, whether she realizes she does it or not.

Secondly, my mother is the same way. For years she made me feel like total poo. She would come over and visit, and suddenly everything would turn to crap. She nitpicks me to death until I feel like I am 2 inches tall.
EX. The backhanded compliment/insult
"You would think with your pretty skin tone you would want to wear a color more flattering, I mean every time I see you, your wearing a version of that color."

WTF???

When I was in college, I got chosen by the english department as the student they pick once a year to do a "Poetry Performance Series." It was a huge deal to me, to read my poetry aloud to the English dept, my fellow students, my family and friends. I mean seriously, it was probably in the Top Ten Best Moments of my life.
I didn't think Mom would come.
She thought poetry was a waste of time, and who makes money writing poetry. And when I would try to read it to her, she would get frustrated, and say it made no sense.

What does she do? She shows up, cries through the whole thing, and afterwards, at the mixer, goes around to crowd proudly telling everyone that I am HER daughter, and blah, blah, blah. Honestly I was just dumbfounded.

After many years we finally talked. She just basically said that she wanted for me to have a better life and that is why she discouraged my artistic dreams, she thought they were not practical.
She said she always admired my talents, but she didn't know how to tell me. She just didn't have the words.
As far as the criticizing, she said she didn't even realize she was doing it. She thought she was helping!

I'm not saying it is really much different. Now that I am older, when I see her, if she starts in on my hair, shoes, whatever, I put my hand up. That is our signal. We don't have a close relationship, more like old friends.
She is getting older now, and mellowing, and she says that I should write and write and write some more. She says at least I will leave something behind.
So MM, you can't change her, but she can't change you either, and really you both probably wouldn't want to.

Time eases these things. But I feel you.
Just remember, sometimes there is more going on then what is being said, you know?

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posted September 10, 2009 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
{Hugs}.

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katatonic
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posted September 14, 2009 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MM, i hear you, and often felt the same about my mother. now, though, i watch my daughter feeling the same about me, though i bend over backwards trying not to encroach on her selfness, and to show her how much i love her whatever she does. she is not happy with her life and projects on ME disapproval i don't feel.

there have been times when she put herself in harm's way, abusive relationships, and i feel she is very hard on my grandson, trying to control his every move to protect him from harm...

but i know that my attempts to help only sound like criticism, in fact sometimes my attempts to have my own life are greeted as criticism!

it's a hard relationship which involves NECESSARY separation for individuation, a lot of projection too on both sides...i keep working on my own projections and trying to show i trust her and approve of her though i do sometimes wish she would not choose the hardest road!

i hope that one day you will bridge the gap, it is wonderful when you do. when my mother was deteriorating from a "terminal" disease she could be IMPOSSIBLE, her pain and frustration drove her batty! at one point i realized she was not going to be around much longer, and decided i was going to have a good relationship with her whether she wanted to, or helped, or NOT!

from that MINUTE i swear all the obstacles disappeared and i was able to have a loving, unconditional relationship with her for the rest of her life. priceless...

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posted September 14, 2009 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That poem encapsulates my relationship to my mother. I love her because of who she is but I have come to realize we are too different. Throughout my life, she never tried to understand me and frankly that is her loss. I can be induced to tears by a few pointed comments but I know who I am. Joseph Campbell once said, "Follow your bliss" and I am taking a step in the right direction. For me parents put on their own perceptions and conceptions on their children which can lead to strife. Just believe in your hopes and dreams.

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MysticMelody
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posted September 15, 2009 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread is hard to read, so I haven't really replied. I am reading and considering every word, though. Thank you everyone.

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posted September 15, 2009 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 26, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some mothers suck, and in the end you just have to distance yourself from them. Because in the end *they were f***ed up in their turn*...so you need to let them get on with their life and do what they have to do so that you can get on with your life (and do what you have to do).

Many of these sucky mothers are narcissists - unfortunately you will NEVER change them and to be frank, it's not your job to do. It's not your responsibility. Let them go on being broken. They'll shoot themselves in their own feet more than you will ever know.

I don't understand my own mother and she doesn't understand me, and I am GLAD I am not like her, and try to be as unlike her as possible (she has always detested me because I was the reason my father had an affair after I was born, and because I look like him and have many of his personality traits - I.E. I am not her MINI-ME!! - all she ever wanted was a doll to dress up who wouldn't talk back, and didn't have a life of its own - HA!). She also saw me as rampant competition, and could not bear to see me happy in any way. I swear she is one of those people who are BORN evil.

Keep your chin up and keep smiling and keep being you and be proud of yourself, because that sense of being yourself, of having the RIGHT to be yourself, is all you've got at the end of the day.

Love to you,

Lyra

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lyra is 100 percent right.
kinda sad but true.

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Azalaksh
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posted September 26, 2009 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for sharing the stories of your relationships with your mothers, it really helped me <3

Gypsee, my mom is a lot like yours, except the holding-up-the-hand signal to stop with the criticism doesn't work in my case. I know my mom wants the best for me, but that doesn't stop her haranguing me about my clothes, hair, and especially my work. She always wanted me to work in a bank (this was her idea of "security" ) and still tells me that I should quit my current job and go be a bank teller (ha! I make a lot more than a bank teller right now). She always wanted me to marry a nice doctor, and when I didn't, nothing I could do was ever good enough because I hadn't accomplished that one single sign of "success" (Mom is a Cappy), ie marrying "up." I wish I could resolve things with her now, but I just don't feel like I can -- she's not hearing me because she had a stroke years ago that took half of her mind, and plain old senility is setting in now, messing with what's left. So I just let it be and let her nasty comments about not coming to see her regularly because of that awful man slide off -- she envisions me spending all my time with a no-good boyfriend who is keeping me from visiting my mother every day like a proper daughter (WTF, I haven't had a bf in years!! ).....

Sadly, I hear my mother's voice in my own interactions with my son
I push him to do his best in whatever task he's doing and I wonder if I should even say anything because I know how I reacted to my mother when she did the same thing to me. But how else do I transmit expectations?? Should I even have expectations?? I don't push him to strive for employment at a bank -- whatever he wants to aim for is fine with me (as long as it's not just hanging around Mom's house forever playing video games, getting fed, and not doing any chores).
But I *do* have expectations -- I expect him to grow his character and increase in self-discipline and responsibility for self. I expect him to become more independent and not cling to me.
My parents were basically kind and thoughtful people, but I think they considered emotional support as a form of "coddling" and I left their house with a feeling of never being good enough or doing well enough because they never really recognized my accomplishments (or, at least, they didn't give me the atta-girls I thought I deserved).....

**sigh**

Are there any parents out there who don't fly by the seat of their pants??

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Azalaksh
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posted September 26, 2009 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mel, I've been thinking about your poem since I replied this morning, and I guess I've admitted to myself that at times I still *do* chase after Mom's approval, in contradiction to what I feel and know inside myself. But there are other times when I consciously recognize that I'm doing that, and I curb the eager little girl that still lives inside me, and allow the Me that little girl became, who has different ideas about How Things Should Be than Mom does, express herself and face Mom's disapproval.....

Gypsee, you were *very* clear

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posted September 27, 2009 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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AcousticGod
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posted September 28, 2009 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like this thread.

Sorry I missed your post, T.

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Azalaksh
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posted September 28, 2009 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry I missed your post too, T
You've never made *me* uncomfortable.....

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