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Deluded
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posted August 07, 2010 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deluded     Edit/Delete Message
Hi please can anyone help with Moon square Pluto DW and Juno square Pluto DW.

Also have:
My Venus conjunct his Jupiter & Neptune
His Venus conjunct my Chiron.
My Neptune trine his Chiron.
My Mars trine his Moon.
My Pluto trine his Mars.
Eros trine & sextile Pluto.
My Neptune & Juno trine his Chiron.
My Venus sextile his Mars.
His Mars conjunct my Jupiter.
His Venus opposite my Sun & Uranus.
His Moon conjunct my North Node.

His Venus & Mercury in my 12th
His Jupiter & Neptune in my 7th
His Pluto in my 5th

Its driving me crazy all this. He does not know my feelings. Am I the obsessed one here? Help much appreciated thanks!

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Lioness
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posted August 17, 2010 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
RUN!!! Yeah right.... Good luck

Your synastry looks like mine, that I am going through the same thing with..

That pluto is hard to get a hold of... Yes your probably obsessed... Dont worry I am to..

Also that 12th house synastry is another subject..

How does his Venus in your 12th feel for you? Im really curious the know.

I know the Mercury one... In my situation his Mercury,mars,sun in my 12th and my venus and Saturn in his 12th...

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Diana
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posted August 18, 2010 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Your post just made me realize I had a DW moon sq pluto with someone. It was pure hell. Don't know if it's that way for everyone, but...yeah, I would run if I had that with someone again.

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oneruledbymars
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posted August 18, 2010 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
This synastry is a little difficult but Deluded, I have seem worst synastry between couples in long term relationships where they are happy.

What concerns me most though is that there is not much interaction between Saturn....Saturn and Venus, Moon, Sun. Saturn adds a permanence to the bond that would help you endure the square until you learned how to work with it.
Its not necessarily a bad thing.
Pluto/Moon connections take you deep, the obsession to me is just a lower manifestation of the Energy, one that does not have to exist.
Your obsessed because they have something you want.

The true meaning of this connection is complete transformation of the Moon and its emotions purging the Energy systems of any lower based Energies, ultimately transforming the mind by plunging it into its shadow self. While Pluto as a result of the Moon is nurtured in its darkest desires and made to feel ok with qualites that they kept hidden before. Its a deep dark bond that is forged between two people who can endure the alchemy and thus incorporate there intergrated personalities..there can be no hidden secrets here...nothing but honesty and transparency will keep the bond together. In the end you would be posessive of them, but you will know better than to act on it, but there is the hidden knowledge that this is not someone to test, you dont flirt with people in front of them, you have the utmost respect for there feelings, you know how deep they are, and how sensitive they are or are not, basically you dont need to fan the flames because you can still feel the coals are red hot, in order for this bond to last there will be no games, unless its consensual.
The challenge is to always be able to set them free knowing that they feel the same intense need to be with you and so will not go far. Its within the confines of Pluto/Moon/Venus Synastry that your learn the meaning of setting something free and as long as it returns it is yours. But how many of us like to set something free that we truly love?

Me you say? Well consider what Buddha taught, that the cause of suffering is attachment. Attachment comes from pleasure once it is exprienced. Interesting cycle we find ourselves in as 3rd dimensional beings.

I personally love the deepness though. It feels secure. It feels solid. It feels real. But I have alot of Saturn in my synastry with my twin. So it compliments that Pluto connection. Containing the flames as it were.
I must say the Jupiter there should help you alot too. Jupiter and Venus bestow a certain benevolence that can be used to ride out any storm. Jupiter is always a gift where matters of the heart are concerned, bringing luck and happiness, as well as expansion and abundance. Jupiter is linked to the heart Chakra and so when it connects to Venus, well, you get the picture.

Deluded...you must first deal with what you are feeling. Yeah you are going to be obsessed because there is no outlet for this Energy to be expressed in. You only feel consumed with the obsession when you cant communicate how you feel and have it reciprocated. This is why Pluto connections are usually sexual as well. Plutos energy resonates with the lower chakras, housing most of your sexual and creative Energy. Thats why we feel so "alive" when we are sexually fulfilled. Ultimately this is the Energy that is consuming you, the anima in you senses someone it would like to "mate with"..as it were. To what degree?...well thats up to you and what you have decided for your lifepath this time around.

So find out how he feels, and go from there.
Overall its a good connection.

His Moon can nurture your lifepath, this gives the relationship a vehicle for growth. Are there any connections to his NN.

Does he know your feelings?
Is he interested?

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Lioness
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posted August 18, 2010 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
OO may! onruledbymars.. That was Absolutely beautiful.. I acutally felt a tear.. Thank you so much for that insight.

I do have to say, these aspects are just as powerful in a composite as it is in synastry.

In synastry his moon trines my pluto..
His pluto only touches my saturn and neptune.

In the composite we have Moon conjunt Pluto then exactly opposite venus..

I really feel the pluto.. I do have the obessions feelings.. I do feel the deep connection.. I have never felt anything ever at this level...

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Deluded
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posted August 18, 2010 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deluded     Edit/Delete Message
Lioness
Thanks for replying, at least I know I am not alone! How I wish I could run away and switch my feelings off…
His Venus in my 12th? I definitely ‘feel’ beautiful around him. On the occasions where we can and do make direct eye contact it totally scares the hell out of me – its like he is reading my mind, body & soul all at the same time… But the whole 12th house thing is very difficult to deal with isn’t it? To me I wonder if its unrequited love on my part. But I have read recently that the person whose Venus it is, in another’s 12th is the person more likely to feel it is unrequited love – which further confuses me! My own problem is that I have natally Venus conjunct Neptune so I am totally delusional where relationships are concerned anyway. (hence my username!).
The Mercury I feel as if we know each others thoughts deep down without having to verbalize it.
Lioness, I am really interested to know how you feel having your Venus in his 12th?

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posted August 18, 2010 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deluded     Edit/Delete Message
Diana
Thanks for replying. Moon/Pluto square is completely ‘unsettling’ and intense isn’t it? In your DW whose Moon was in the square tightest orb if you don’t mind me asking please?

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posted August 18, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deluded     Edit/Delete Message
Oneruledbymars
Loved your post thank you so so much for taking the time to reply.

In composite some of our connections are Venus trine Saturn, Venus trine Uranus, Moon conjunct Mars, Saturn trine Uranus. Sun trine Neptune. In synastry we have a Saturn conjunct Juno and I am struggling to find info on what this means, would anyone happen to know please!? Don’t know if this good or bad.

I think my only consolation with the Moon/Pluto square is that we both have it, so I assume we both feel it to a similar level? Wether this is a good or a bad thing I am not so sure! I also love the deepness of Pluto, its complete totality and power and it does ‘feel’ very very real to me also.

To his North Node my sun, moon and uranus trine it.
My Chiron and juno sextile it.
My Venus/Mars midpont conjuncts his North Node.

Eros also squares it - I have read that this means a ‘struggle to be together’ as does his Eros inconjunct my North Node and we have this aspect at 0.01. Whilst on the subject of Eros I have discovered this week that we have his Eros opposite my Physche at 0.76 - I have read this feels like ‘they’ are the one. Not sure who would feel this more though? (probably me...) Give me strength!

I absolutely would love to know his feelings… but I probably never will. I have never told him – I actually cannot and will not (he is not free). What I pick up from him are unsaid feelings… this is hard to describe really, but just the way, if we can manage to look each other in the eye – a lot is felt by me for sure, but is it mutual? The fact that I may never ever ever know may just finish me off! Oh for a simple life…

You are right oneruledbymars. I need to deal with this. I have actually given up now on trying very extremely unbelievably hard to NOT have these feelings. I just do not know where to begin managing them for the greater good of my own sanity…

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Lioness
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posted August 18, 2010 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Deluded.. I think our situations are similar.

His Sun,Mars,and Mercury are in my 12th
My Saturn and Venus in his 12th.

It's hard to say how I feel with my venus in his 12th.. There is so much going on, its hard to say whats what... I do hide my feelings from him though. I do feel like I am the only one with feelings.. My fear of rejection is extreme with him.. I know that if he rejected me It would send me to a horrible place. So I dont want to risk it.
You said it makes you feel beautiful.. awee I can see I do make him "feel" good.. OMg I compliment him so much... LOL

As for his planets in my 12th.. I feel as if he see's through me.. YES his eyes pierce my being.. I feel him digging deep into me..
But It kinda scares me and sends me running.. I feel as if we mirror each other we are the same, yet opposite.. reversed like a mirror..

Then DAMN Neptune steps in and makes it better (but really worse) He see's me, but he see's some of the darkness, then his imagination goes wild,and he thinks the worst of me. I cant even begin to tell you the things he has thought of me... LOL
There is no convincing him, he is wrong.CUZ he just "knows"...

He hits my neptune really hard...

I feel as if two Angels floated him down from the heavens, each holding one arm and dropped him right on my door step, just for me... (banging head on wall)This is a man that can do no wrong... (yeah right)

I feel as if what ever he wants I will agree with.. (which is so un-leo of me..lol)

sighhhhhhhhhhh!!! What a mess!

You want to hear the worst!!! This is all going on at work.. No matter how much I try to escape from him, I can't.. We have to see each other all week! Every time we pass each other I feel him digging into me... Sometimes we just stare at each other, and talk with our eyes.... all day.. all week.. I have to go through this... Yet still pretend like nothing!

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Deluded
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posted August 19, 2010 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deluded     Edit/Delete Message
Lioness – you may have seen this link, but in case not please read and tell me what you think!
http://astrofix.net/2010/07/18/venus-synastry-12th-house/

Our situations get more similar by each post. I also work with this guy. I have considered leaving, but it would kill me more to not see him at all than to see him and endure the torture… I also do a lot of pretending and hiding feelings and I sense he does this also. We both avoid eye contact at times, but the feelings and energy is always there no matter what. It’s the best and most scary situation ever. Honestly I have never had such feelings. What I can’t understand is that, if there absolutely was no feeling of love from him at all, then, surely I would know this and accept it, then move on (somehow).

In our Venus conjunct Neptune, he is the Neptune so I see him idealising me, whereas I am basically just in love with him. I have read that in this aspect it takes Neptune a long time before acting on their feelings.

Knowing how intensely I experience having his Venus in my 12th, personally I would very, very much doubt that you are the only one having feelings in your situation. I think the 12th house goes so deep that it may be almost impossible to come to terms with in actual reality without ever being verbally communicated.

My Mars is also conjunct (in sign) to his Sun, therefore he is my ideal man anyway without all the Pluto, Eros, Chiron etc and 12th house business going on as well!

Oh your angels! Yes I feel everything you are going through I could not agree more. For me it’s the ‘knowing’ we are ‘fated’ to be together, but wondering how it could actually ever be possible? Do you have Venus/Chiron synastry aspects Lioness?

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Lioness
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posted August 19, 2010 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Deluded Are u sure your not him... LOL

We should talk via email.. Some things I really dont want to post about.. Its that 12th house secret... hahahah...
When will you be on so get can exchange emails..

My Chiron to him.
Chrion opps Pluto
Chiron sq ASc
Chiron sq Venus
Chiron trine Neptune
Chiron parallel Pluto
Chiron parallel Mercury (DW)
Chiron parralel Saturn


His Chiron to Me
Chiron parallel Mercury
Chiron parallel MArs

We also have a both way Psyche parallel True Node.

His Venus,Neptune,Vertex,Psyche parallel my True Node.

I also do feel the fated feeling... I didnt even feel that way with my ex husband..

But I now think I am the one that has been hurting him all this time...

Yes I do feel that feelings are hidden on both sides.. I KNOW I have never said or admitted anything to him.. Neither has he.. We he did one time sort of, but went blank.. I was so shocked, I didnt know what to say..

What I am starting to realize is that both of us do give "hints" yet the other person does not pick up on it... I've been thinking back on all the things Ive missed, and he has also missed..

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Deluded
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posted August 20, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deluded     Edit/Delete Message
Lioness

I am away for a few days now but please email me and I will be in touch when I get back. Meanwhile have a read of this on Chiron aspects:
http://tribes.tribe.net/astrologynow/thread/404b247f-7ff5-4bb6-a7df-c5737ba3fae1

How true - the ‘hints’ are often not realised until after the event!

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