posted September 21, 2011 09:07 PM            

You need only look at how we all are looking for a mate at some point in our Earth life to realize that. Or the fact that if the right one came along...ive never met anyone that would say no to a relationship with them in one form or another.

Your twin materalizing depends on how much work you put in to attracting them, or even if you signed up to do that this time around.

But exist they do.

posted October 01, 2011 03:24 AM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
Voix_de_la_Mer...hate to break it to you but we all have a twin...whether incarnated or not...its the order of things.

You need only look at how we all are looking for a mate at some point in our Earth life to realize that. Or the fact that if the right one came along...ive never met anyone that would say no to a relationship with them in one form or another.

Your twin materalizing depends on how much work you put in to attracting them, or even if you signed up to do that this time around.

But exist they do.

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There are millions of people out there that we could have wonderful relationships with if they have that 'something' in their being that makes us want to commit.

I have felt that once, and it is the only time I wanted to settle with someone.
Does that mean he was the other half of my soul? No.

What is this necessity to flowerise life and relationships? Why not just be happy to be in love? I know I would be.

YOu can mould a relationship into anything you both like - it's all about growth. No one is perfect for anyone, but everyone can grow with each other.

As for signing up to do anything - I currently have no reason to believe that my consciousness was conscious before it was conscious - see the issue there?

We are looking for a mate because we are programmed to to survive. Hormones, propagation of the species. Sorry, no magic.
Yes, many of us look for more than just a sperm donor, but that is because we have developed intelligent emotions, and we understand happiness and fulfillment beyond the scope of procreation, but we are STILL emotional beings driven by hormonal impulses and occasionally higher ideals. But being driven by a higher ideal does not mean there is a higher purpose. You can impress any purpose you like on your life and yourself, but it is not a universal truth until everyone experiences that very same thing.

Maybe I just don't need everything to be bigger, more spiritual, more magical, etc.
I see beauty everywhere in life and people without making them 'divine' or 'angelic' or 'blessed', etc.

posted October 05, 2011 08:44 AM            

While I respect your viewpoint as having a biological twin. I do not think you have to have a twin to understand the complexity of the the Twin Soul relationship. You need only know yourself at the highest level of your existence, before the initial split your Twin and you would have shared the same Essence of Energy and though you will have experienced different incarnations in individual Souls evolution, your incarnations would be mirrors of each other...each of you learning on the same frequency just at different ends, but always connected, and the story for each is unique and always one of the grandest love stories told. Your lives and experiences this time around would mirror that, from the families you were raised in to your career choices, right down to the work you do to raise the frequency in others...there will be a pattern and it will be distinct. You both carry the same mission as it were. But first you must each know your mission. And they takes a balancing of the Divine Masc and Feminine within...and knowledge of you inner Mother/Father/Child.

posted October 05, 2011 09:14 AM            

I have felt that once, and it is the only time I wanted to settle with someone.
Does that mean he was the other half of my soul? No.

What is this necessity to flowerise life and relationships? Why not just be happy to be in love? I know I would be.

YOu can mould a relationship into anything you both like - it's all about growth. No one is perfect for anyone, but everyone can grow with each other.

As for signing up to do anything - I currently have no reason to believe that my consciousness was conscious before it was conscious - see the issue there?

We are looking for a mate because we are programmed to to survive. Hormones, propagation of the species. Sorry, no magic.
Yes, many of us look for more than just a sperm donor, but that is because we have developed intelligent emotions, and we understand happiness and fulfillment beyond the scope of procreation, but we are STILL emotional beings driven by hormonal impulses and occasionally higher ideals. But being driven by a higher ideal does not mean there is a higher purpose. You can impress any purpose you like on your life and yourself, but it is not a universal truth until everyone experiences that very same thing.

Maybe I just don't need everything to be bigger, more spiritual, more magical, etc.
I see beauty everywhere in life and people without making them 'divine' or 'angelic' or 'blessed', etc.

Oh, and by the way, I am really just playing devil's advocate here - neither one of us knows for sure if this concept is true.
Believing is not knowing."

While I am aware that you are playing devils advocate, I will play along. As you raised some very interesting points.

Yes there are millions that we could have wonderful relationships with, as we all have many soulmates and these help us grow and learn more about ourselves as we walk our path.
Why do you see the concept of Twin Souls as "flowerise" life and relationship?
It is love...the highest form of love that can exist in this 3D, it is not love born of Venus and her lust and needs... it is love born of Neptune and his ability to transcend the lower based destructive emotions of this world.
It is not love and light as many I guess portray it online..that is the rose colored glasses Neptune wears.....it is sweat and tears and hard work to live your life here in a room of mirrors as it were...perfection is no walk in the park no matter what good fruit it bears here...everything here is just an illusion anyway. But a salmon swimming upstream will always have a harder time than one going with the program that he was born into.
If you cannot see the continuity of your own existence and you think that this measily 70 years on Earth is all that you are, then that is your stake to bear.
It stands that we are Spiritual beings having a Physical experience. This I know by knowing. Just as you only know your 3D world by knowing. But beware when you only allow empirical evidence to shape your understanding of the world that you were born and programmed to live in, you will forget that your imagination is a key component to your existence as well and that your hopes and dreams are what inspire you to reach your highest level of existence.
This is the Energy that Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto...the Energies of the Outer Planets bring into our Aura.
The differences in our experiences are what make us unique...a diamond shines not because it has one facet but many. We will always experience different things as we will always make different choices.

I am still confused as to why you think that the idea of Twin Souls is more magical or Spiritual? It is simply a relationship of two people aware of who and what they are, they are two people in touch with there inner goddess and god. There is nothing magical about responsibility and being of service to others. This is work, hard work. Especially when there are people who play "devils advocate" in an attempt to tear down what they cannot build.

posted October 05, 2011 02:24 PM            

haha this is funny.
In brief, for the monent:

I find the thought of only being in a relationship to serve and indulge the participants MUCH more abhorrent, than being in a relationship that serves humanity.

It is not 'hard work' if it is 'purpose'.
And personally, I'd opt for it any day.
In fact, I am currently refusing to settle for any less.

I feel no need to give it the name or concept of 'twin flame' though.
As long as you, I and others are here on earth, here on earth is where we should be.
Where is your responsbility to the world and people that support you here? - rhetoric.

I'll come back when I have more time to the rest of your points.

posted October 05, 2011 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
There are approximately 16 twin sets for every 1000 births in America...so what accounts for the other 968 births? Are these people not qualified to do the inner work it takes to learn of the continuity of thier own existence and attract there Twin Soul to finish the work they came to do simply because they do not have a birth twin?

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I understand the concept of twin souls and spiritual ideology behind it, however my response was a logical assessment of the hypothesis of twin souls. I never said that people could not find their twin souls, I just stated it seems improbable to try to understand something you've never hypothetically experienced. All these descriptions of what it takes to work towards meeting your twin soul are generalizations or particular to personal experiences. There is no scientific method towards uniting with your twin soul, it is a spiritual journey but not one that can be qualified or classified. My point was to illuminate that if it weren't for my personal experiences growing up with a biological twin, it would be hard for me to imagine the complexity of twin souls. Just my personal perspective that's up for interpretation.

posted October 06, 2011 09:36 AM            

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

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posted October 06, 2011 06:06 PM            

"Oneruledbymars,
haha this is funny.
In brief, for the monent:

I find the thought of only being in a relationship to serve and indulge the participants MUCH more abhorrent, than being in a relationship that serves humanity.

It is not 'hard work' if it is 'purpose'.
And personally, I'd opt for it any day.
In fact, I am currently refusing to settle for any less.

I feel no need to give it the name or concept of 'twin flame' though.
As long as you, I and others are here on earth, here on earth is where we should be.
Where is your responsibility to the world and people that support you here? - rhetoric.

I'll come back when I have more time to the rest of your points.

I must say though, your closing statement is a shame, I thought we may have been able to discuss this without animosity or prodding - considering the subject matter! "

Its cool to agree to disagree.....

I'm not sure why you have a problem with the name or concept of Twin Flames....call it a relationship of the highest frequency that can be achieved on Earth if you want...call it one Spirit split in two...its just a description to explain the concept, Twin Flames or Souls just seems to fit better and more concisely.. With 60% or more of relationships unhappy on Gaia at this time, clearly we are not doing something right when it comes to romantic relationships in the 3D.

Where is my responsibility to the world and the people that support me here?

It is where it should be...I think you have misinterpreted what I was saying...while yes I will do my best to do whatever I can to make my Twins life easier and meet his needs to aid in healing anything I bring up out of his Aura still, its not out of necessity he doesn't need that. He is complete...I just am able to go deeper in him than even he can, doing the most he can, what I give to him serves to raise his frequency to levels that he cannot attain on his own...in this way the flame burns brighter and brighter.
And the whole purpose of this relationship? Well it is to serve humanity. It is our mission to raise the frequency of everyone we get in touch with and say "Hey look at what happens when you practice unconditional love to yourselves and then to others."
And lead everyone that reaches out to us back to there REAL self.
Whether people choose to see our example is up to them...but the fruits that we bear are to beautiful to be overlooked. That's just how it goes when you live in a world of people who have not married Spirit to Body.

posted October 06, 2011 07:43 PM            

You wrote:

"I understand the concept of twin souls and spiritual ideology behind it, however my response was a logical assessment of the hypothesis of twin souls. I never said that people could not find their twin souls, I just stated it seems improbable to try to understand something you've never hypothetically experienced. All these descriptions of what it takes to work towards meeting your twin soul are generalizations or particular to personal experiences. There is no scientific method towards uniting with your twin soul, it is a spiritual journey but not one that can be qualified or classified. My point was to illuminate that if it weren't for my personal experiences growing up with a biological twin, it would be hard for me to imagine the complexity of twin souls. Just my personal perspective that's up for interpretation.

How can you comprehend something you've never actually been exposed too? We are all on different paths of evolution. You give descriptions of what classifies the union of twin souls, but are you discussing theories or are you talking from personal experience? We can't qualify or measure spirituality or evolution. Meditation, inner work, solitary living, what ever your spice are just examples of practices which people claim move you closer to spiritual evolution. There is nothing to substantiate those claims because every one is different, and we haven't had the same experiences. What I know about spiritual unions is that from my experience it would seem anything related to the concept of twin souls or twin flames is highly complex. Having a biological twin made me aware of that in comparison to others. We find our way to truth and universal awareness threw various experiences and having a twin and using that experience as a stepping stone to greater understanding was mine. Uniting with your twin soul is not something that can be classified, it's something that has to be lived. Once lived we can only speak from our experience, which counts for nothing else but that."

If you do not believe in the continuity of your existence then I suppose you will feel like you have not ever experienced a connection that is experienced by twin souls. I do not understand how those things are generalizations, if you are referring to the 5 points that I started this thread because of. They are things that can put you on the path to your highest good if you so choose to implement them and whether that involves your twin or the highest frequency relationship you were meant to have here its up to your path but it will lead to one of the other. I didn't say there was a scientific method. There are many paths but they are all leading to the same goal and they are very similar paths, despite the differences. I think that if we are open to our highest existence then it is possible to imagine anything.

I'm not trying to qualify or measure spirituality or evolution. But do realize that we all have the same amount of chakras, we all have the same amount of strands of DNA...we all have a 3rd eye...the similarities go on and on. Whether you chose to acknowledge that is neither here nor now...because a fact is a fact. And it stands that by learning from each others experiences especially those closest in our soul group, we can be encouraged on our paths even if they are different paths. We all need to meditate...its necessary to clear our mind and hear the voice of our highest self. We all need to exercise and take care of our bodies...we are all subject to Universal Laws, such as the Law of Attraction, we all may be different in the 3D, but on our highest level we are one.

I'm not saying this knowledge accounts for anything other than light the path for others to follow . I'm saying that there are things we can do to get there, find a relationship of the highest frequency if that is what our Spirit seeks, and find our bliss. If you don't think they resonate with you then you don't have to do them. Simple as that really.

posted October 06, 2011 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
I'm not saying this knowledge accounts for anything other than light the path for others to follow . I'm saying that there are things we can do to get there, find a relationship of the highest frequency if that is what our Spirit seeks, and find our bliss. If you don't think they resonate with you then you don't have to do them. Simple as that really.

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Listen Oneruledbymars, I hear ya and I understand what your saying. But I'm not trying to get into an in depth discussion about spirituality and evolution I was just defending my perspective which was developed from my own personal experience. I'm not shooting down your methods towards what you consider spiritual growth and evolution I'm just pointing out a difference in point of view. It's up to us to decide how we choose to live and what rituals and practices we decide to follow to walk our own paths of truth. There are no rules when it comes to spirituality. We create our own destiny. I'm not challenging your beliefs I'm just giving a different perspective. Maybe twin soul relationships are a lot more complicated then we think. Maybe evolving isn't as easy as practicing meditation, maybe we don't have a say in how our souls evolve. Maybe regardless of what we do our souls continue to evolve in ways we couldn't possibly understand.

posted October 07, 2011 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
Ok, now my spidey skills are kicking in..lol...so I have to ask how much Air is in your chart?

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Oneruledbymars, you are very passionate and insightful which are both admirable traits. I do enjoy intellectual discussions though I am a harmony loving Libra who needs to arrive at conclusions or I feel mentally exhausted from playing yet another mental balancing game. But I have enjoyed our heated exchange, especially because it concerns the subject of spirituality and unions which completely fascinate me.