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swtbttrfly23
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posted August 07, 2011 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swtbttrfly23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of you may remember me from about a year ago, I was pretty much in agony about a cancer man that I knew from years ago. I hadn't heard anything from or about him, and then finally discovered on facebook that he had moved far away and changed his name. I was devastated. I kept searching for a reason, or an answer, as to what I should do because everywhere I went I kept seeing signs that reminded me of him-his birthday numbers, his old AND new names, everything. The universe wouldn't let me forget.
I friended him, and we talked a little bit here and there, there were no hard feelings or anything, and he just treated me like a friend. I told him that I was impressed by his decision to leave and move away, and I told him how I respected him for what he did. I meant every word. I also kept seeing the signs, everywhere. In fact, I had gone home to visit family and one day I ended up going to a fast food place which just happens to be named the same as his older name. Just as I pulled into the parking lot, what do I see but a GIANT banner with specials and prices on it-and all of the prices are his birthday. So that one hit me a lot and I got a bit desperate at that point. I actually went home and commented on facebook that I didn't understand why the universe won't let me forget, and about how I didn't know how to move on.
Well who should comment on it but him. He said "If love be rough with you, be rough with love" (it's shakespeare). I commented back that it wasn't that easy to remain detached, even though that's what I usually do. And then, well, I just had the urge to do it. So I messaged him and said: "You know it's you that I'm talking about." He messaged back that he needed time to process that, I told him a reply was not necessary, but that I was hoping the universe would give me a break if I just came out with it. He replied later about how he never knew I had feelings for him back then and that I should find someone amazing. I replied that I didn't have those feelings then, and I told him the truth-that I thought he would fade into the past like every other guy I've ever crushed on or dated, but that for some reason, he never faded. My feelings only got stronger for him. I also apologized for springing that on him, and I told him I was trying to get over it. After that he and I still seemed pretty friendly, we would comment on each others posts here and there, and there didn't seem to be any weirdness.
Anyway, now he's disappeared again. I think he just closed his facebook account, either that or he blocked me, but I can't find him even on a different account. And still....the signs are there. All over the place. And I still think about him all the time. Even though I continue to meet and date other guys (some of who are really great and can distract me from him, but only ever for a short while!) I still come back to him. Over and over.
What does this mean? That I'm defective?? I want to believe that I'm getting these signs for a reason, like the universe telling me not to give up and that I'm going to have to be patient (I'm usually a pretty impatient person and I don't like to wait for things I want, and also don't tend to stick things out very much) to get what I want. I still want to believe that if I have enough faith and if I can actually be patient that it will happen. But now I don't know if I'm just be utterly dumb and stubborn, but the fact that I still feel the way that I do tells me not to let go. I just don't know anymore. Can anyone help me??

P.S. Even thinking about him makes me happier than I've ever felt. Ever.

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lalitree
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posted August 08, 2011 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalitree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i know how you feel. and unfortunately i don't have an answer. at one point i just chose to ignore the 'signs' from the universe--just the way that the pain it all caused me seemed to go ignored.

i just said eff u universe!

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ghanima81
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posted August 08, 2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancers are the most complicated men on the planet. Just an FYI. They are very caring and warm and sweet and lovely, but trying to have a relationship with one void of complications or emotional questions is pretty much impossible.

Remember, they retreat when they feel the slightest bit threatened or asked too much. They handle emotions compartmentally, they have to, for they feel things very deeply and fear giving too much of themselves IF they have been hurt in the past.

The "virgin" Cancer is truly a beautiful soul. Once that tender heart has been wounded, it is like healing an entire army of infirmed soldiers to get anywhere with that heart again.

It is a battle that can be worth it, but be prepared that it will NOT be easy. Cancers are also notorious for "testing" their suitors or potential lovers for loyalty and depth of compassion.

If you are ready for this type of thing, then fight for it. Hard. But be warned that it will almost NEVER be easy, but most definately worth it for the deep love they are capable of.

Good luck.

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swtbttrfly23
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posted August 09, 2011 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swtbttrfly23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies. I know for certain he has been hurt before. He was semi vocal with a colleague of ours and at the time I knew him he was pretty hung up on an old girlfriend (he told her that he just knew that she still thought about him, that she would put songs on myspace and he just knew they were about him). I know that on the surface it sounds utterly preposterous to be so very crazy about him when he and I haven't even been face to face in 3 years. People just tell me to get over him, that there's no way I could love or be in love with him, that I'm only in love with the fantasy or the memory of what he was back then.
But I know it's more than that. In fact, finding out about his big career change and the glimpse I got of his life now and everything only made me more crazy about him. And when I think of him, I don't think of what he used to be or what he was like when I knew him back then. I dream of a life with him as he is now, and where he is now. It sounds like heaven, to be honest. And this may sound really stupid, but...I want to have this man's children, I want to have a life with him now, I want to share this new life. And yes, maybe I don't know everything about him, but I feel as though I know him so deeply, I feel as though I understand him so much, even though I haven't seen him in so long. It's like I've looked into a crystal ball and I saw us together, and now I'm trying to prove it to him.
To be honest, I think that I want to fight for him. Deep in my heart, I know that he's worth it. I don't want to get over him. But I also don't want to deceive myself. I've got a lot of things to work out right now, but to me, the fact that I remain feeling this way is very significant. And if he is indeed testing me, then I want to prove to him that I'll still hold on. I'll always hold on.
A friend's mom once told me "if you love someone, truly truly love someone, they will love you back." I'm just hoping that it really is true and that if I keep loving, eventually it will all turn around.

BTW, his moon is in Scorpio.

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ghanima81
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posted August 09, 2011 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are your placements?

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bunnies
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posted August 09, 2011 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I shall tell you a little story.
Many many years ago I was in love with someone and in his own funny way I think he was with me. But he worked away and even when he was home he was casual with me even though I longed for more.
There was no one I thought more suited for me. I dreamt of our 5 (!) children in waiting and how proud I would be to be with him.
Other men came and went. Some I even thought I loved for a time but then he would turn up again and their love would be for naught and I would dismiss them.
Anyhow I married one of the other lovers because my "true" love stopped coming round so much and I decided to move on as best I could with someone I loved as best I could.

My replacement love and I even emigrated together. Nothing like 7000 miles between you to end something. But even years down the line I would gaze out at the ocean and wonder "Where are you now? What are you doing?
Anyhow 8 years later we returned to my homeland. My marriage broke up and on the first day,as I ventured out after coming back home, I wandered through an empty shopping mall at 9am on a freezing cold morning and who should I spy just staring in a shop window?

To say we fell upon one another like long lost loves was an understatement. And I knew in my heart of hearts this was how it was always meant to be. He was the man for me. The Universe had led me back to him.

At least that's how it seemed. But in my fantasy life of me and Mr H I had failed to see the signs that I had actually been in love with an alcoholic. His vague absences were not because he was some wild adventurer returning from the sea but was actually some wild drunkard falling off a ship and losing whole weeks of his life.

And to boot he had actually married someone else during the absences, which left me incredulous...because I had been there....tons better looking than her and with a heart chock full of love.

It did not take long for my mature self to suss that one out.

I am not saying that this is your guy. But your friends are right. You are in love with a fantasy. A guy that you imagine is having a fabulous life that you're not part of.
And you're not part of this because to be blunt, he didn't want you to be.
You gave him the opportunity as I did my sailor but we didn't matter enough.
And that is not good enough for you...or me.
But this is not about me.
This is about your life on hold for someone who probably doesn't think of you that much.

You will probably never feel this strongly about anyone again Different yes. Love comes in many guises. But I believe we get one of these in a lifetime.
It doesn't mean we are destined to be together, maybe it's just to show us how much love we are capable of feeling.
Make a life for yourself, a lovely life and give it your all. Dream about him if you must but don't hanker after what is not going to be yours.

And just to let you know. From a distance of many years I never give him a second thought. I could contact him whenever I want but I prefer to keep him in my memory as the fantasy he was and not the reality.

All the nice girls love a sailor

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lalitree
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posted August 09, 2011 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalitree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bunnies, that is a very interesting story. i agree with what you say by the way. we were obviously not important enough to them to seek out so why put your life on hold for someone who doesn't feel the same for you?

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Deux*Antares
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posted August 09, 2011 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread reminds me of the saying: Never make someone a priority especially if you are only an option to him/her.

If there is no contact then are you even an option?

"if you love someone, truly truly love someone, they will love you back." <--- Not true in real life. Maybe true only in fairy tales or movies. What's more effective is if you completely let go and give up on that specific person and instead just focus on attracting the "essence" of love. This way you can expect the universe to bring to you someone who is right for you and ready to be with you. It could be him (original guy) or a new guy.


Bunnies, wonderful post as usual.

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bunnies
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posted August 09, 2011 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you too Deux xx

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swtbttrfly23
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posted August 09, 2011 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swtbttrfly23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone for the wise words. And to be clear, I'm not trying to put my life on hold for this guy, which is why I've continued to date other guys throughout this whole thing. I guess I've been actively looking for someone else who can make me forget about this guy (the best way to move on is to find someone new, right?) but nobody has panned out yet and so I get stuck back in this mind set with the old guy. So please don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting around waiting for this guy to just show up, I'm doing my own thing and trying to make myself happy. And I go through these crazy periods of feeling fine about it all and then these periods of being so desperate about it. I'm not expecting him to show up on my doorstep some day to sweep me off my feet, because it won't happen. I do, however, have a strong feeling that I'll see him again some day (probably not for a while) and he'll realize what he missed back then. And that makes me a bit sad, but oh well.
You're definitely right about not making him a priority, especially since I'm clearly not a priority to him. I'm glad that I said what I had to say, because I know I'd feel way worse if I hadn't told him, but clearly I'm not an option at this point at all. or maybe he just has some issues to figure out. I guess I just don't know. Thanks for helping me get through the rough period though. I know it will pass, and I think a big part of it will be moving on to a new city and a new job (which I'm going to do quite soon, I think). Thanks for the wisdom, everyone :-)

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posted August 09, 2011 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you know what? Aren't we lucky to have those feelings. Because the one lesson I imparted to my kids was "You're not missing anything"
We all go through life thinking someone else is having a better life than us, Someone else has it all and we have this half existence whereas in truth it all balances out.
We all just bumble along the best we can. We're all just trying to make it through the night, No one has a golden path.
We have moments when you think you do and then moments when you think everyone...anyone.. is doing better than you.
But the truth is...no one is.
So these golden moments you have. When you feel passion that you think no one else has ever felt before. Then be thankful for them. I once said to a friend who was utterly tortured by losing a man she loved
"If I could give you a pill now that would take away any feeling you had for him and you would never know you felt like that, would you take it...and she said...in a heartbeat "No"
So lucky you swirly butterfly thingy! You've felt true stuff. Hold it dear. And who knows what magic may happen?

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lalitree
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posted August 10, 2011 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalitree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
swtbutterfly, it is amazing how what you say sounds like my own experience of what i went through with a guy. i know what you mean about the sometimes feeling fine and sometimes swinging right into desperation. it's like it is completely out of your control right? and no one could understand unless under the same problem. they'll just say "get over it" etc... you know what? it didn't go away for me. Not until someone else came along to change me...and it does happen i tell you...even so i still think about him, but the division that has taken place is what brings me back to the human world...it's like i get stuck in the space between two same poles of a magnet being pushed together, or two opposites being pulled apart, i don't know which.

in other words, i don't know how it will be for you but for me i found that something from without had to come in and change the situation, because i had not been previously equipped. Otherwise i could have surely changed it with all that trying and praying i did!

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posted August 17, 2011 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First it was the Taurus... since we were 19. I finally gave up on him wanting anything other than friendship with me two decades later after my deep love and attraction to him led me to the Gemini. Three years of devoted love and spurts of obsessive torment and I have finally learned that real love has nothing to do with whether the other person loves you back. I surrendered (as they both sang to me to do every time I saw them) without giving myself away and allowed the Universe to take me where it had been leading me all along. I'm at this place that has all the flavors of what I deeply wanted in my soul for my entire life. There are times when I can look back at certain instances and I am astounded by the "signs". Sometimes you are attracted to certain people to propel you to where you are going. I don't pray to be his only one... I just pray to go where I'm supposed to go and do what I'm supposed to do for the best of All... and I pray the same for the men I love. My life isn't what I thought it would be and sometimes I throw tantrums that it isn't as easy as a sweet television classic... but I wouldn't want that anyway. My true desires are manifesting as I ask all the wisdom and all the intelligence of the entirety of Being to guide my actions and words and decisions.
It's sort of magical. <3 I mean I'm still sittin' in a trailer and I almost cried myself asleep last night because my new job is so stressful and my feet hurt and I have no partner to massage me and help me... but the romance in my life is basically out of a movie. <3 None of my partnered girlfriends can claim that.

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posted August 17, 2011 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First it was the Taurus... since we were 19. I finally gave up on him wanting anything other than friendship with me two decades later after my deep love and attraction to him led me to the Gemini. Three years of devoted love and spurts of obsessive torment and I have finally learned that real love has nothing to do with whether the other person loves you back. I surrendered (as they both sang to me to do every time I saw them) without giving myself away and allowed the Universe to take me where it had been leading me all along. I'm at this place that has all the flavors of what I deeply wanted in my soul for my entire life. There are times when I can look back at certain instances and I am astounded by the "signs". Sometimes you are attracted to certain people to propel you to where you are going. I don't pray to be his only one... I just pray to go where I'm supposed to go and do what I'm supposed to do for the best of All... and I pray the same for the men I love. My life isn't what I thought it would be and sometimes I throw tantrums that it isn't as easy as a sweet television classic... but I wouldn't want that anyway. My true desires are manifesting as I ask all the wisdom and all the intelligence of the entirety of Being to guide my actions and words and decisions.
It's sort of magical. <3 I mean I'm still sittin' in a trailer and I almost cried myself asleep last night because my new job is so stressful and my feet hurt and I have no partner to massage me and help me... but the romance in my life is basically out of a movie. <3 None of my partnered girlfriends can claim that.

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posted August 18, 2011 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not belittling your experience, but from my own experience, if we are looking for something we will see it, it will manifest in supposedly 'ordinary' things. I don't believe this is negative or positive -- until you interpret it as such.

There must be aspects of this person that a part of you feels you need to integrate into your own being. This can of course be achieved by being around said person, but as you have discovered, that isn't always possible. It might be worth taking an honest look at this person, and writing down all the aspects of them that you are attracted to, you may then see areas of growth for yourself, and if you do, and integrate them, chances are your attachment to the person will lessen naturally. And if they come back into your life, your relations with them will have a freer, more equal flavour to them.

It's a cliche, but often the harder we hold onto something, the further out of our grasp it gets.

I have one more point that may be useful to you: I had a very intense encounter with a man this year, it was a whirlwind of about 4 weeks. I had never felt so good with anyone in my life, never had anyone respond to me so deeply in my life, we seemed compatible in every possible way - emotional, physical, temperament, mentally, sexually - pretty intoxicating.
Well, we couldn't be together. He was only visiting my country for work, was just separated from his wife and 3 children, had a business back home. There was no way for us to be 'together' properly. I entered a very dark place after I saw the size of the void the end of this experience left in my life. Flew from loving him with so much passion I thought I'd die, to hating him with so much passion I wanted to kill him. I forced myself to have no contact with him - this was difficult at first, but got easier.
Slowly, it began to dawn on me that it wasn't HIM I wanted, missed, or even loved, but rather, it was how I felt about myself in his company, how I saw aspects of myself as beautiful that I had previously overlooked. I felt loved, but it wasn't by him - I loved myself.

So many time I have read that you must fully love yourself before you can love another, but never ever did I fully experience it. My self-image has always been pretty shady, my esteem low, and my inner voice harsh. But that experience smacked me right about the face with that cliche, and knew it to be true.

I guess what we have to do is find the beauty in ourselves that draws out our love for others. This way, no matter what happens, you retain your equilibrium, as you are not dependant on another to feel loved, then you can let nature take its course, and see the value even in separation.

All the best.

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posted August 18, 2011 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First it was the Taurus... since we were 19. I finally gave up on him wanting anything other than friendship with me two decades later after my deep love and attraction to him led me to the Gemini. Three years of devoted love and spurts of obsessive torment and I have finally learned that real love has nothing to do with whether the other person loves you back. I surrendered (as they both sang to me to do every time I saw them) without giving myself away and allowed the Universe to take me where it had been leading me all along. I'm at this place that has all the flavors of what I deeply wanted in my soul for my entire life. There are times when I can look back at certain instances and I am astounded by the "signs". Sometimes you are attracted to certain people to propel you to where you are going. I don't pray to be his only one... I just pray to go where I'm supposed to go and do what I'm supposed to do for the best of All... and I pray the same for the men I love. My life isn't what I thought it would be and sometimes I throw tantrums that it isn't as easy as a sweet television classic... but I wouldn't want that anyway. My true desires are manifesting as I ask all the wisdom and all the intelligence of the entirety of Being to guide my actions and words and decisions.
It's sort of magical. <3 I mean I'm still sittin' in a trailer and I almost cried myself asleep last night because my new job is so stressful and my feet hurt and I have no partner to massage me and help me... but the romance in my life is basically out of a movie. <3 None of my partnered girlfriends can claim that.

My post wasn't appearing so I entered it again. Chatting with another man who I was led to be these intense obsessions right now.

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posted August 20, 2011 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalitree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i can so relate mysticmelody. my 'love' life has been such a twisted mess of the weird, the mundane, the completely unexplainable, and mostly a thread of magic that seems to have its own agenda.
like you, at first (and for a long time) i beat myself up for feeling how i did when i guess i subconsciously felt i didn't have the right to. my life was nothing like the way 'true love' was supposed to be.
but then at some moment it finally hit me:

"Why do i think it has to be a certain way anyway? only I actually live my own life, things like this are always going to be deeply personal, and what you will be able to bring to the surface is ultimately not more than a reflection that has to pass through the maze of mirrors that is language. What you FEEL, is your LIFE source"

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posted August 20, 2011 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abcd efg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
..........It's a cliche, but often the harder we hold onto something, the further out of our grasp it gets.

I have one more point that may be useful to you: I had a very intense encounter with a man this year, it was a whirlwind of about 4 weeks. I had never felt so good with anyone in my life, never had anyone respond to me so deeply in my life, we seemed compatible in every possible way - emotional, physical, temperament, mentally, sexually - pretty intoxicating.
Well, we couldn't be together. He was only visiting my country for work, was just separated from his wife and 3 children, had a business back home. There was no way for us to be 'together' properly. I entered a very dark place after I saw the size of the void the end of this experience left in my life. Flew from loving him with so much passion I thought I'd die, to hating him with so much passion I wanted to kill him. I forced myself to have no contact with him - this was difficult at first, but got easier.
Slowly, it began to dawn on me that it wasn't HIM I wanted, missed, or even loved, but rather, it was how I felt about myself in his company, how I saw aspects of myself as beautiful that I had previously overlooked. I felt loved, but it wasn't by him - I loved myself.

So many time I have read that you must fully love yourself before you can love another, but never ever did I fully experience it. My self-image has always been pretty shady, my esteem low, and my inner voice harsh. But that experience smacked me right about the face with that cliche, and knew it to be true.

I guess what we have to do is find the beauty in ourselves that draws out our love for others. This way, no matter what happens, you retain your equilibrium, as you are not dependant on another to feel loved, then you can let nature take its course, and see the value even in separation.

All the best.


Voix how wise of you!

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posted August 21, 2011 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Abcd,

I dunno about the 'wise', but I certainly have plenty experience to share, and plenty more to experience

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posted August 21, 2011 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeeCalliope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My circumstances were different but it doesn't matter; listen to what Voix_de_la_Mer has said. Few experiences are capable of bringing you to such a realization. If you don't love yourself, take this opportunity to see it and learn how.
It's hard, as a saturn heavy person, I did not know how and was very harsh with myself for most of my life. I believe that this is why these things happen sometimes. It may be the greatest gift that someone can unknowingly give. I am grateful for my own loss in this way.

You never, ever know what may be waiting for you around the bend.

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