posted August 09, 2011 07:48 AM            

I live my life by the following beliefs: With Love comes patience, with patience comes understanding, with understanding comes compassion, and with compassion comes Love. No matter what, I continue to treat him with the dignity and respect he needs, it is not in my nature to give him less. In spite of it all, I do not respond in such a way that negative karma will be created between us.

To "abandon" him would be unthinkable. I have consciously chosen to not ever do so. But it is not easy to see this bright talented big hearted Leo's light dimmed, and distorted. Especially since he is so spiritually knowledgeable, and has so much to give the world.

He is the wave, I am the shore, I am the key, he is the door... and so it goes. At this point I am not looking for astrological advice, I am adept in that area... I am seeking spiritual observation and insight beyond my own. Surely I am not the only one undergoing such a challenge. Having been a spiritual teacher all my life, I know what is truth and what is illusion. But I could use some input from others who may have something to share.

posted August 09, 2011 09:12 AM            

"there is still the undeniable belonging to and with each other... the kind of togetherness that never goes away, the kind of bond that can't be broken."

I feel the same with someone whome i cant be together as a romantic couple, but you know what? Now that i finally accepted our situation and did everything in order to move on, I feel that our bond will not be weaker or less just because we are not together in a "normal" way. We are there for each other from the distance, yet it allows both of us to be able to move on. Of course, its not the same, but you cant change reality. On the other hand, if something is not working well, but you really love each other then there is surely a solution to that. I can tell you we had quite many ups and downs in three years, but with love and patience, I feel that we gone through them stronger each time. Not to mention how much we learned about ourselves!

I belive that love between two people can only be real or geniue if both of them are happy, both of them can get the best out of themselves, so both of them are living according to their choosen lifepath.

posted August 14, 2011 12:47 AM            

(I'm sorry.. this struck the chord of my scenario.. may not have everything to add but I'm venting.. don't feel obligated to read it all though I do add some related info.. i'm going through a strangely verbose period too >.< )

This reminds me of my experience with my bipolar soulmate. I still don't know what was supposed to come of it. I've always tried to approach the scenario rationally, as well as from a scorpio/capricorn perspective, which really only made it worse. I kind of ended up venting about the scenario too much already here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/002670.html. I was an atheist coming out of a very abusive relationship and did what seemed to be a wise thing at the time and pushed him away for self-integrity/stability purposes thinking I would lose interest with time or he would pass the trial and be of a very accepting slant with a broader compassionate perspective in which case there was no need to worry. My north node is in the 10th house in taurus, so I'm supposed to be moving away from chaotic scenarios at home, but I've been told that I would have been stronger having been with him despite the fact. The moment I met him I felt like that was where I belonged in the world, that he could never hurt me.. It's hard imagining how it turned out. When everything hit the fan and I could barely function still my dreams were pressing for me to go to him and be there for him.. to heal him even.. and it seemed utterly mad given the destruction he reaped. It's been four years and I still think of him almost every day. Just being next to him is the best experience of my life, and the clincher is we never really talked much physically. Just the spectrum of everything in between and his actions and attention to detail was intense, the way he would look at me and get extremely excited or get this long look and say he wasn't there yet when I'd try to talk to him.. not understanding what that meant. Many people at work knew, but everything he did was within the realm that it could be blamed back on me as some sort of psychosis to a large portion of the population.. which really didn't help.

Within the last week.. I had a really strong lucid dream where I was in this school and there was a character who's vibe and look reminded me of Miracle Max from the Princess Bride. Given that I can't escape my leo asc I decided to ask when I would finally meet "the one" and he responds.. You've already met the one. It was ***** (I'll say NW). We dialogued and then he was like, You shouldn't have pushed him away. I wouldn't have pushed him away. Then I asked if there was anything I could do to change it, and he said NW doesn't think it will happen. I don't think it will happen. He kept saying he needed to shuffle cards to some students at the school, and I was able to sneak in a few other questions before it ended. It confirmed some other psychic sources as well as everything I ever felt or dreamed about doing with him (like being married when I think that's absurd and I hardly knew him).

With all the lying that he's done and the severity of his bipolar, it's nearly impossible for me to maintain a friendship, and he's so gone that he'll never be able to rectify that or get past the anxieties to apologize or anything. From psychic influences and empathic/clairsentient people I've gotten that he's run all his friendships into the ground arguing and is lonely and feels guilty, but too out there to exactly acknowledge the severity of his actions on all counts, and is drinking up a storm. I want to go to him, but he has a tendency to call the police on girlfriends or friends even.. among other more colorful things, so I'm not even sure of the point to try when that's so likely and I don't know which NW I'd be talking to (I've gotten spiritual impetuses in the past to push me into near suicide scenarios.. my guides must think I'm superman..). It's frustrating.

The other libra soulmate I have with bipolar I entered into a relationship with, but given my jupiter squaring his saturn and his being devoutly christian (there are links there to kundalini, but I haven't been able to research to espouse them, but have brought up the 'holy fire' of christian mystics), he will not take up the kundalini or healing perspective, despite the fact that he is largely capable of healing moreso than the other one. I tried to get him to look at stuff, but he won't tell me he has and won't communicate anything personal let alone emotions (venus/merc in scorpio me thinks combined poorly with bipolar). While he lies a lot, his orientation is much healthier. He recently tried to take up working 2 jobs at 60 hours a week, went off the deep end, is drinking at his job at work, and while I was potentially looking at being with him he just called it off because we're too different in our spiritual and life orientations (which I actually knew would happen) and shortly thereafter he's affectionate and wanting to be together again. I've never been broken up with, and while it was never 'official' it's just frustrating. It was a venus conj south node relationship and I frequently told him we weren't supposed to end up together, and strangely he seems to trust my psychic dreams and premonitions about him.

The hardest part for me is knowing people's perceptions about being with a severely ill person and the unpredictability/irrationality. And then you're crazy in love with them and would die for them and they occupy your mind 24/7 to the point where you're madly in love with them, unable to sleep, staring at a wall obsessing over every microsecond of his smile and your next interaction, the number of times you'll see him in a day, and no one can understand you and you're just dismissed as mad (not like you don't do that to yourself anyway ). I was in denial about his soulmate status for a long time.

I know it must be really really hard for you, but I would love to be in NW's life regardless of the amount of pain he put me through. As bad as bipolar is, with the 90% divorce rate, infidelity, spending etc, I wish I could be in your position.

The thing that I really don't understand, is my whole life I refused to put up with an alcoholic or anyone who drinked moderately, and if the guy was a smoker I immediately lost all attraction to him and wouldn't date them. If the person didn't have goals in life or potential what was the point of being with them? I would not date anyone who has power over me, and within several weeks of meeting him, I knew I'd destroy my life for him and not even care.. I just -knew- he had immense power over me.. more than anyone else could ever have. Funny how that works out.. I'm still trying to integrate that. It's still in my how do I make sense of this spiritually category. It feels like there was no preparation or time. No accounting for my tastes or traumas if that was where I was supposed to end up. I kind of wonder if he was worse than he was supposed to be. Our personas seems so incompatible in some regards .

Trying to integrate this into my soul state, I've gotten different accounts before as to how many lives I had left. In one dream 14x2 was the answer (28=perfection? 14=enlightenment 2=service?? idk.. I also heard 2 but I think that was to get me through a rough period.. I saw this beautiful purple/blue soul when kundalini was bad and assumed it was mine.. you have to be purple to be ascended). In the lucid dream I asked how many lives I had left and "this one" was the reply. Maybe this was a part of my learning to create stability (nn taurus) for others. I really really wish I could be there for him. I'd die for him without question. This is really hard for me to admit, but I have the hardest time caring about anything without him and with everything that he did.

Oh, also my long time sag/cappy overacheiver best friend has bipolar type II, but I think he's too embarrassed that he's not in Harvard Medical school or something and is an alcoholic, and I'm too embarrassed that I'm unable to work full time with horrible kundalini that I don't think he'd understand so we don't talk much, but a lot of my soulmates have kundalini . I tend to doubt my abilities, but I can sense him having kundalini, and he gets kriyas a lot as does my venus conj south node bipolar soulmate.

Also acceptance, detachment and unconditional love towards everyone seem to be some generalized panaceas working with kundalini.

posted August 18, 2011 05:54 AM            

As things stand as of tonight, I do not see things getting better with this man. He will not accept help or seek help of any sort, he does not believe he needs it. It is very difficult to communicate with someone who is absent, as it were. The moments of lucidity are such that it has kept me hanging on... the depth of connection and understanding between us at such moments is beyond description... but as it is, that person is very far away most of the time. And that person, in his delusion, believes that we have never had anything together, do not now, and never will. So he does not understand why I feel like I am losing anything or missing out on anything.

Tonight I had to have a conversation with him about certain things, and all he wanted to do was argue when he could not get his own way. The outcome was that I told him he did not have to be here, that he was free to leave, that at this point he did not have a reason to be here, as we barely speak and he acts like i do not exist. He is currently holed up in a trailer on my property, where he has been since some parinoid delusions concerning my son, who he believes is going to kill him. Totally unfounded of course, but tell him that.

The thing is, regardless of where mental illness comes from, the reality of it is that the only constant predictable thing with a mentally ill person is unpredictability. In short, the usual rules do not apply. You can't reach them, you can't change them. It matters, on a spiritual level, your love and compassion, but it doesn't necessarily make a difference in the day to day sense, it does not change their behaviour. He leaves, he comes back, he leaves, he comes back... But he is not really here right now. And it is worse than if he was not here at all.

posted August 18, 2011 08:00 AM            

this may not be what you want to hear, but as long as your interest's Bipolar is ruling they will be incapable of having a stable relationship. The condition must be stabilised. The journey to stabilising a mental health condition is very individual, there is no one way to peace either by condition, or by person.

They must try to work out a program that keeps them relatively functional, whether through psychology, psychiatry, spirituality, exercise, the arts, humanitarianism, hobbies -- anything that keeps them focused, and brings happiness. The path is different for everyone. But I have found that a combination of the above factors that covers the mental, emotional, and physical aspects of the person to be best approach.

Once some stability has been achieved, it can often be maintained by getting involved in something bigger than the self, like a charity, a project, a business, a group, anything that is close to the heart, and gives a sense of purpose in the world.

One note though on Bipolar in particular: it is usually a life-long management; thinking along the lines of 'cure' can be counterproductive, and put undue pressure on those involved. But 'management' can bring so many new experiences into a person's life, make them realise skills they never had, loves they never knew they'd love, take them to places they would never have gone. It can be a very positive lifestyle.

posted August 18, 2011 01:37 PM            

ECT has also proven to be an effective therapy but I don't recommend it. Some even suggest that as the first line of defense Maybe when bipolar has reached the point of no return it should be used to initiate a more manageable platform of healing. The libra bipolar soulmate had a traumatic brain injury where he had to relearn how to walk and he went from being rapid cycling to having one outbreak in a year, but he also took a decidedly christian, forgiveness/unconditional love stance. Either way.. you should look at the links.

I get the not wanting to be healed thing. I had dreams to that effect that that's why the bipolar soulmate wouldn't develop any connection with my despite the fact that he had a history of falling over himself while I was around at times (then when I gave up and moved to a different shift, he got ****** off and said he never liked me.. now I have some illness where every cut.. no matter how minor will scar and takes forever to heal.. it really sucks.. talk about psychosomatic illness lol). The other bipolar soulmate who wasn't as bad started to push away when I started pointing things out to him psychologically. He was working a lot too and I couldn't convince him just how dangerous that was for his disorder but not being with him officially I didn't try to pull any moves like I should have after experiences with the earlier soulmate. Bringing it up he got angry. He broke off what we had after one job ended and he didn't get hired on but 4 days later was being super affectionate again (like wtf?) and I bring it up and I can just see some level of regret like he's thinking he's an idiot but won't say anything (he never says anything). Lately he's being giving me panic attacks that I get when I know I need to terminate a connection for my own safety and it just sucks. Having two bipolar soulmates destroy my reputation would just be too much.

On the plus side I keep hearing that the other soulmate is getting better, but then again he nearly killed me and I think he feels guilty about that on some level. When I first met him he was frequently incapacitated in my dreams and couldn't walk and I was so happy to take care of him, but I didn't read dream symbols. He's been arguing with his friends a lot, but many people think he's just great because bipolars are so charismatic and creative. Such great liars too..

posted August 18, 2011 03:09 PM            

the root of the illness is important. A mental health issue originating from a brain injury will, for example, require a different treatment from an issue with a childhood abuse root. The prognosis for any mental illness is good provided the treatment is person-centred. But I would still hesitate to call successful treatment a cure.

Those with serious mental health conditions are subject to a range of triggers and variables, that are both unpredictable, and generally unrecognised by both the person and the therapist. It is virtually impossible to know all of them and to prevent all of them, so relapse, no matter how minor, is always going to be likely, hence my emphasis on long-term management.

posted August 18, 2011 04:46 PM            

The treatment paradigms for any form of mental illness are weak at best. Haven't you seen the study where they compare grad student therapists to having the individual talk to someone of any other major for the same period of time. There was no difference in the efficacy or recovery. Something is gravely wrong with our mental health institutions and therapies.

The man in the youtube videos has cured bipolar psychosis as well. Just open your mind. I know it's nice to be with the convention and everything modern psychology has programmed you to accept, but a lot of what psychology is doing today to people is harmful and is dismissive of more holistic ways of being, and is repressive of any transitional states if they aren't 'normal'.

posted August 19, 2011 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
There has been a cure for the first outbreak of schizophrenia since the 1970's with no repeated psychosis Look into John Weir Perry's Trials of a Visionary Mind of the Soteria house movement. Schizophrenic psychosis that would normally be highly medicated and suppressed but when put into another setting totally changes the outcome and, once they go through the acute crises there is no repeat psychosis. The same population that would have been condemned to schizophrenia for a lifetime under normal circumstances.

The treatment paradigms for any form of mental illness are weak at best. Haven't you seen the study where they compare grad student therapists to having the individual talk to someone of any other major for the same period of time. There was no difference in the efficacy or recovery. Something is gravely wrong with our mental health institutions and therapies.

The man in the youtube videos has cured bipolar psychosis as well. Just open your mind. I know it's nice to be with the convention and everything modern psychology has programmed you to accept, but a lot of what psychology is doing today to people is harmful and is dismissive of more holistic ways of being, and is repressive of any transitional states if they aren't 'normal'.

It doesn't help that any new age, clairvoyant/clairaudient, tribal shamanic, or hinduism oriented person would be severely medicated if they mention their beliefs, abilities, or experiences, and would have the size of their brain shrunk with powerful neuroleptics just to get out of the hospital, one they ended up in only because they thought suicidal thoughts or had a spiritual emergency or kundalini psychosis. Do they even recognize the DSM category of spiritual emergency in any mental hosptial? There are scientists who's life work focuses on kundalini and meridians, validating its existance but we are in the clandestine dark ages when it comes to acknowledging this stuff in main stream psychology, espeically if the spriitual emergency involves any form of reliving trauma, or worse yet, at the far end is just dealing with trauma. Even the act of diagnosing in the DSM, which you have to do in the first instance of treatment for insurance purposes, is actually harmful to the patient, particularly when it's been well documented how many holes there are in it. We know how toxic labels can be on healing and on understanding an issue from a neuroscientific level.

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Contrary to how I may come across, I am not closed off to alternative therapies, nor am I a fervant promoter of all that is conventional (quite the opposite actually) but like I said, I speak only from the knowledge I have, which is by no means only from my university books. I put a high emphasis on education, but no more on academia, than on life itself.

See, my experience of schizophrenia and bipolar are different from yours, the people I knew responded well to conventional therapy, but the problem I saw was that while appropriate levels of correct medication suppressed the symptoms (I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it helps to get to the root -- if you've ever tried to reason with someone in the midst of a psychotic episode, you will know where I am coming from), the triggers were unattended to, and this is where I feel the real problem is.

I believe in collaberation between conventional and alternative therapy. Even the so-called 'talking therapies' are considered to be 'alternative' in many circles, even though they have a proven scientific basis of success. So, like you said, labels are pretty useless in this conversation.

I just think we can't say that all conventional medicine does more harm than good, well not think, I personally, know I can't say that, I have seen the success with my own eyes, but yes, there are many grey areas, and holes in the available treatments for mental illness. Many therapists and doctors are not equipped to deal with these conditions, and as a result, many slip through the net and do not receive the help they need, or worse, they receive treatment that is not appropriate for them as an individual.

posted August 19, 2011 04:36 AM            

may I add, regarding 'cure', what I said was that it's counterproductive to embark on any treatment program for bipolar with that in mind, as the fact remains, that very few people recover completely, the same goes for schizophrenia, and taking the path to recovery with that in mind can hinder progress and put a lot of pressure on the person with the condition. Setbacks, and relapses are common with any treatment of serious mental illness, there is no straight-line to recovery, and to expect this is to set the person up for a fall, and make getting up again much more difficult. Despair can destroy even the most effective treatments, that which instills realistic self-belief must be held above anything else. 'Thinking positive' must have a boundary when initiating treatment in this context, because what a healthy person interprets as 'thinking positive', a mentally ill person can interpret as 'impossible' -- the nature of the condition, and its individual characteristics in the particular person must always be considered.

posted August 19, 2011 09:57 AM            

Saying these disorders can't be cured is just as counterproductive when shamanic communities have been curing similar disorders for millenia pre-dating modern medicine and the prognosis for a schizophrenic person of an impoverished country is actually better than in a wealthier society where they have the money to put the individual on a lot of pharmaceuticals.

Here's a review for the book Soteria. Please don't jump to conclusions about the efficacy or success rate of things if you haven't even looked into the success rate. Schizophrenia has been cured numerous times in a clinical setting. If professionals are seeing this information and not incorporating it in the psychiatric paradigm of treatment, I honestly find it criminalistic in nature, ruining any chance for these people to heal.. all because corporations have some vice grip on treatment paradigms that are largely failures. The fact that we're largely promoting ssri's near tantamont to placebo as a first line of defense for depression more often than not is morally unethical.

Why read the book?
1..Buying it supports vital work.
2..Less than 1% of the book can appear here.
3..Change, action and recovery can replace hand-wringing.
4.."Understanders" are therapeutic for the seriously disturbed.

Soteria (Greek for deliverance) was a community-based, experimental, residential treatment facility in San Jose CA during 1971-1983, offering refuge mostly to young "schizophrenics." Would Soteria be as effective...as a nearby psychiatric ward where antipsychotic drugs were highly valued?

Focus: Given...that people labeled as "schizophrenic" often cannot develop or maintain close interpersonal relationships and supportive (non-family) network systems, Soteria believed these should comprise its focus.

The Moos Social Scales, which were heeded by Soteria, tallied staff's judgments about treatment areas, as they measured involvement, support, spontaneity, autonomy, practical orientation, personal problem orientation, tolerance of anger and aggression, order and organization, program clarity, and staff control.

Causation of Psychosis: More than half of adult admissions...to psychiatric hospital wards have histories of sexual and/or physical abuse. Also there may be parents' inability to focus and be clear, and parents' hostility toward their children... When someone goes "crazy," it's often in response to numerous problems, usually triggered by a particularly distressing event like a romantic rejection, the death of a parent, or excessive involvement with recreational drugs - - or inability to form social networks apart from families of origin.

Violence was much less than in hospital settings, but residents sometimes struck out at staff members who reminded them of their parents; and they also sometimes hit, kicked or bit or verbally abused others, because they felt defrauded, cheated, robbed, neglected, or otherwise treated unfairly.

Realizations and Incentives:
1..Elaborate institutions can impinge negatively on psychotically disorganized people. They often must be inflexible, must rely on authority, must institutionalize roles, and must rest decision-making power and responsibility in a hierarchy outside the client's control - staff and patients often feel powerless, irresponsible and dependent.
2..Jerome Frank's massive review of studies of therapy found, ...that therapist experience, duration of treatment, type of problem, patient characteristics, theory of intervention, etc., generally had no relation to patient outcome.
3..The World Health Org. has found that "schizophrenia" outcomes in poor countries like India, Nigeria and Columbia, where only a small percentage of patients are maintained on antipsychotic medications, are much, much better than in rich countries like the United States.
4..A massive 1979 World Health Org. study of "schizophrenic" outcomes correlated recovery with low reliance on neuroleptic medication...
5..The first case reports of tardive dyskinesia appeared in 1956. ...1:4 patients started on neuroleptics, will develop TD, a cosmetically disfiguring and untreatable condition...within five years...stigmatization is nearly inevitable.
6..The Germans who invented neuropathology, looked at the brains of thousands of "schizophrenics" before there were any neuroleptics and were unable to find any specific cellular pathology.

Precedents in Theory and Facility:
1..Soteria embraced elements of practice from the era of "moral treatment" (J. Sanbourne Bockoven's description of America's mental health practices in the 1700's.)
2..Sullivan used nonprofessional personnel to achieve a 75% success rate (12 of 16 individuals) in the 1920's. Professionals got 25-30% success rate.
3..The healing potential of human relationships was drawn from psychoanalytical pioneers, Frieda Fromm-Reichmann (1948) and esp. Henry Stack Sullivan (1962); but also therapists who have described growth from psychosis (John W. Perry, 1953, 1962; Karl A. Menninger, 1959); a group of psychiatric heretics (Thomas S. Szasz, 1961; Ronald D. Laing, 1967); and chroniclers of the development of psychiatric disorder in response to life crisis (George W. Brown and James L. T. Birley, 1968.)
4..Soteria's phenomenologic stance...from a long-standing European philosophic tradition...was practiced by Laing (1960, 1967), David Graham Cooper (1967), Medard Boss (1963), others.
5..Soteria was...a response to...critiques of psychiatric institutions, most notably Erving Goffman's Asylums (1961).
6..Soteria tried to...test the validity of the critiques of the "anti-psychiatrists," such as Laing, Cooper, and Franco Basaglia (1987)
7..Psychosis as growth has been referred to by Menninger, Perry, and Laing and others.
8..Some members of Soteria's founding group had worked on the rather similar Silverman-Rappaport study based in San Jose in ~1966-1974
9..A Soteria progenitor was The Philadelphia Association's Kingsley Hall commune in London.

Five characteristics of a functional milieu (setting) defined.
1..Control of stimulation.
2..Provision of respite or asylum...
3..Containment of poorly-controlled behaviors engendered by psychosis.
4..Support for the person's immediate experience.
5..Early-on validation of the person's hallucinations etc as real.

Using the 1972 principles of Jerome Frank:
1..Presence of perceived healing context.
2..Development of a confiding relationship with a helper.
3..Evolution of a plausible causal explanation for the development of the problem.
4..Generation of positive expectations by the therapist's personal qualities
5..Provision of opportunities for success through therapeutic processes.

Some of Soteria's successful ingredients:
1..Understanding that psychosis (and regression) could be positive learning processes.
2..Maintaining flexibility via ill-defined roles and relationships.
3..Learning of coping by imitating and identifying with staff, volunteers and other residents.
4..Non-understanding of a given psychotic experience was deemed a staff shortcoming.
5..BEING WITH residents and protecting from harm comprised staff's dominant responsibilities.
6..Accepting "crazy" behavior if it wasn't dangerous.
7..Avoiding psychiatric jargon.
8..Providing physical contact, especially to severely regressed residents.

What set Soteria and Emanon apart?
1..Avoiding codified rules, regulations and policies.
2..Minimizing basic administration time and maximizing undifferentiated time.
3..Limiting intrusion by outsiders.
4..Working out social order on an emergent, face-to-face basis.
5..Following a non-medical model that did not require symptom suppression.

Due to Soteria's success, replications have already been operating in Switzerland and Germany; and more are developing in Hungary, Germany and New Zealand.

Books I have read which variously support Soteria's theory and practice:
1..Thomas Szasz' The Myth of Mental Illness
2..William Glasser's 1. Reality Therapy, 2. Choice Theory
3..Edward Podvoll's The Seduction of Madness
4..Richard Moskovitz'Lost in the Mirror

Presumably "Soteria's" could never be prevalent in the US, because the needs for professionals and drugs would dramatically decrease. Nevertheless, inspiration and hope remain.

Hopefully the waywardness of mainstream psychiatry as seen in the Soteria contrast will lead the young toward greater integrity in their choosing of careers.

A couple other books that may be worth a look.. relating to the above

http://www.amazon.com/Fight-Be-Psychologists-Experience-Locked/dp/0979626609/ref=pd _sim_b_7 (phd in psychology who cured himself of psychosis)

http://www.amazon.com/Trials-Visionary-Transpersonal-Humanistic-Psychol ogy/dp/0791439887/ref=pd_sim_b_6

http://www.amazon.com/Soteria-Deliverance-Loren-R-Moshe r/dp/1413465234/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1313762164&sr=1-1

posted August 19, 2011 03:35 PM            

with all due respect, the 'debate' began when you challenged a belief I held.
Again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to look at these beliefs. I appreciate all the information you have given me. I am now finished with this conversation, as it has gone off the OT, and is getting a bit subjective for my liking.

posted August 20, 2011 12:47 AM            

If I didn't detail the counter perfectly, and admittedly got angry, I'm sorry for my ineptitude. I'm trying to stay grounded enough that I don't make the lights flicker in every location I go to when the ac comes on or off. I used to do it 3-4 times an hour. It's an issue I struggle with however not in the same way or degree a bipolar or schizophrenic would. Psychologists don't acknowledge my kundalini and it has been a frustration as it's not all spiritual bliss or linearly oriented and coherent.

posted August 20, 2011 04:45 AM            

I feel moved to respond, only to say that, I completely understand where you are coming from, and I agree on many levels. Without going into detail, my experience of schizophrenia, bipolar, and other disorders are personal (family, friend, and myself), not academic. Of these conditions, one of the schizophrenia sufferers was managed with conventional medicine, but it fell short and the condition chanelled itself in a much darker fashion than the original condition, the result of the other remains to be seen, but is currently stable without treatment, although completely anti-social, the bipolar struggled and the person eventually died in suspicious circumstances -- conventional medicine failed in this instance, the other conditions are managed with lifestyle, and the arts.

posted August 21, 2011 10:53 AM            

Also.. there's a dialogue between swamis 7 posts down here concerning mental illness, psychosis, and kundalini. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002813.html

posted August 24, 2011 07:12 PM            

This book even talks about a bipolar teen who went to african to undergo a shamanic initiation and after several years came back without bipolar disorder and went to harvard.. http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Medicine-Bipolar-Disorder-Healthy/dp/1571742913/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1314283393&sr=8-3

Another good book from a biomedical standpoint which talks about bipolar from a nitty gritty perspective with under and over methylenation etchttp://www.amazon.com/Healing-Depression-Bipolar-Disorder-Without/dp/080271496X/ref=pd_sim_b_1