posted January 15, 2012 09:38 AM            

I cannot speak for others but for me the number one sign was an unshakeable feeling that he and I are the same on a soul or spirit level, although this sameness wasn't at all apparent in our everyday existence / personalities / character / looks etc. If anything, by these standards we would seem to be almost complete opposites.

I can give you number two as well if you'd like: I had a profound yet subtle, inexplicable feeling of love for him from almost the moment I met him. With most other interactions / relationships one can say they love another "because......" traits that person might exhibit. I could find no such reason for feeling this soul level love for this person. it was based on nothing other than just the fact that I did. In the beginning I didn't know him at all on a material level but yet the love was inexplicably there. I am someone who is able to feel love for just about anybody that I come to know. I find it almost impossible to know a person and not find something in them to love, but as I said this was different. Even though from the beginning I could feel who he was (I could say i knew him on a feeling level) I could also feel that the love wasn't even based on that knowledge. It had no basis other than it was just so.

I'll give you my number three. Things are nice in threes! I was very freaked by this one: There was a feeling like we were siblings, brothers in arms / comrades. It was very weird and uncomfortable for me on a psychological level, because this feeling didn't define us as being of different genders. It's difficult to explain, but believe me it was quite a head **** and didn't fit at all into my idea of relationship identities and 'proper / normal' dynamics. So the sibling and brothers in arms thing creeped me with it's incestuous and homosexual connotations. I have no judgement on these things with regard to other people's relationships but it wasn't something that I had previously concieved was or even could be part of my own sexual / relationship identity.

Hope this helps with your research.

posted January 15, 2012 10:16 AM            

Sorry I spelled your name wrong in previous post.

posted January 15, 2012 03:12 PM            

And welcome to LL!

You bring up three very important "signs". How sure are you this person is your Twin Flame?
You do seem sensitive enough to have picked up on these subtle energies.

Are you still together? Are you in a love relationship?

Thanks very much for your input.

posted January 15, 2012 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by miclsa:
Hi AnonGirl10,

I cannot speak for others but for me the number one sign was an unshakeable feeling that he and I are the same on a soul or spirit level, although this sameness wasn't at all apparent in our everyday existence / personalities / character / looks etc. If anything, by these standards we would seem to be almost complete opposites.

I can give you number two as well if you'd like: I had a profound yet subtle, inexplicable feeling of love for him from almost the moment I met him. With most other interactions / relationships one can say they love another "because......" traits that person might exhibit. I could find no such reason for feeling this soul level love for this person. it was based on nothing other than just the fact that I did. In the beginning I didn't know him at all on a material level but yet the love was inexplicably there. I am someone who is able to feel love for just about anybody that I come to know. I find it almost impossible to know a person and not find something in them to love, but as I said this was different. Even though from the beginning I could feel who he was (I could say i knew him on a feeling level) I could also feel that the love wasn't even based on that knowledge. It had no basis other than it was just so.

I'll give you my number three. Things are nice in threes! I was very freaked by this one: There was a feeling like we were siblings, brothers in arms / comrades. It was very weird and uncomfortable for me on a psychological level, because this feeling didn't define us as being of different genders. It's difficult to explain, but believe me it was quite a head **** and didn't fit at all into my idea of relationship identities and 'proper / normal' dynamics. So the sibling and brothers in arms thing creeped me with it's incestuous and homosexual connotations. I have no judgement on these things with regard to other people's relationships but it wasn't something that I had previously concieved was or even could be part of my own sexual / relationship identity.

Hope this helps with your research.

Miclsa.

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posted January 16, 2012 09:07 AM            

Hi again,
Thanks for welcoming me to the site.

How sure am I that we are Twin Souls?
I'm pretty certain of it. That's not to say that I haven't had many, many doubts. But, each time when I go back into my feelings I know it. If I'm honest I don't 100% relate to the term 'Twin Soul', but I think that's because mass consciousness might have endowed it with meaning and myriad hopes and dreams that don't fully resonate with the reality of the phenomenon.

I wasn't aware of the terms Twin Souls and Twin Flames etc. until relatively recently. I had always been aware since childhood however of the notion of one soul comprised of two halves and the ideal of those two halves finding one another and coming together as a whole. By the time I came to meet him I'd already become aware that wholeness was something to be strived for and found in oneself. So, all I had were my feelings and experiences with him. For me the defining feeling is knowledge of being the same but expressed as two entities, and in virtue of this belonging together (though didn't have to be together). All I knew, often felt and also commented to myself was that we are the male and female version of the one / same thing. It's only quite recently that I came across this 'Twin Souls' term and started reading about it, then realised they were descriptions of he and I.

The word 'Twin' on its own had previously been part of my vocabulary when reflecting on our relationship. But it was sort of bound to; my nodal axis exactly conjuncts his IC / MC axis and his sun in Gemini (sign of twins). There are other things, like my first name and his first name are male and female variants of the same name. Our numerological name numbers are both 11s, we have the same live path number of 8 but I am a 26 / 8 (feminine) he is a 35 /8 (masculine). Apparently we have several other numbers which are the same that I don't remember now. I had previously noticed these things but hadn't thought they were hugely significant as my parents shared the same name numbers and life path. It was only quite recently that I came to understand that this was rare.

On reading the literature about Twin Souls I found so much about us was described including the circumstances of our meeting and effects of it on each of us. But again, the doubts came in as not all things described applied to us or only my relationship with him. I have / have had many soul mate relationships all of which have included things like knowing how the other feels, synchronicities, telepathy, spiritual and psychological revolutions for each of us. Many of them have involved the feeling of having known each other before / being familiar and the love between us being at core unconditional etc. In fact I have one friend who was once a romantic interest who according to the so called astrological signatures of Twin Souls / Flame would appear very much to be my Twin Soul, but I know he is not. It wouldn't even occur to me to ask the question of whether he is. I dreamt him before I met him, there was instant strong mutual attraction when we met, there were the uncanniest similarities relating to events and timings in our biographies. We have the same aspect patterns in our various astrological charts, involving the same planets in the same elements. Even the asteroid synastry seems more suggestive of our being Twin Souls but he is not, and I know it. I'm coming to the conclusion that the astrological contacts of TSs is likely to be as varied as the characters themselves and more reflective of their individual soul requirements. Also if it is true that Twin souls come together in service to humanity; I should imagine the signature astrological connections would relate to the prevalent needs / cries of spiritual humanity at any given time. In other words, I don't expect the research of twin soul aspects pre 1999 to turn up the same sorts of aspects as TS couples that came together after 1999. There would have been a shift in how they serve. The energetics of the planet will have shifted, as such it's requirements, and therefore the sorts of energies these couples would more specifically emenate. TSs cannot be generic, just as individual souls are not. They have special talents, characteristics and energetic imprints to be expressed. I think the material / phyical world connections seen in astrology would naturally demonstrate these more varied connections (aspects are just points of fusion for energies in and directed out in the physical world). I'm certain one size does not fit all.

Anyway, with the man I believe to be my TS all these things are there as with many of my other friends / previous partners, but the quality of these things is different. Sort of stronger or purer. Recently, I started to come to the conclusion that the doubts are unimportant, inasmuch as what he and I are to each other is whatever it is and no external label or validation will change that or what it will be. Well, since then it's like I've been flooded with signs and strange happenings, telling me that we are Twin Souls.

I hope I haven't bored you with so much detail, and that was only the first question!

Are we still together?
No. I stopped normal contact with him about 10yrs ago. We have spoken just a couple of times since then. We were in a (living together) relationship. There were things that we both needed to do separately; lots and lots of clearing and healing and certain life experiences to be had which would have been difficult to have whilst together. I'm really on the fast track in this life in terms of inner work / balancing to be done and what some might think of as the releasing of karma. A domestic family life with children would not have been conducive / possible for me or fair on any child. He on the other hand wanted / needed that domestic experience. I'm pretty sure his healing, clearing and expansion of unconditional love is being facilitated greatly by that life experience. When we separated I had many dreams and in them we came to the agreement to let each other go and have these experiences with each other's blessing.

After finishing he and I stayed in contact regularly. He told me when he met the woman he is now married to. I knew he needed to have a relationship with her (I knew about it throughout the time we were together actually). I'd hoped we could still be in contact during their time together, but we couldn't. I encouraged him to start a relationship with her and then I had many dreams which made it clear to me that if he and I were to stay in contact his new relationship would never get off the ground. I saw they had the potential to have children and marry and that this wouldn't happen if I remained in the picture, so I had to break contact with him. It sounds very self sacrificial, but actually I was very jealous and resentful. I wished very much that I could act against my own conscience and heart, but I couldn't. A number of years have passed, and finally now I feel very grateful to her and their relationship. It's sort of like I see her as a foster lover. I believe they love each other dearly and I am grateful for her being there to allow him a very special and important experience, and for expediting his healing, clearing and expansion of self / wholeness. Honestly speaking, I was overwhelmed by those sorts of things when he and I were together. I couldn't bare to see his pain or fear and felt that if I were not with him he wouldn't have to go through it in such an extreme way, I thought I wouldn't either (boy was I wrong about me. I succeeded only in reducing the extremity from about a 10 to a 9).

Are we in a loving relationship?
It's going to sound very odd, but actually I would say we are. We are not in contact in the normal sense, but I feel we are with each other most of the time and linked all of the time. We are, it seems, unseverably connected. Believe me, I have tried so many ways and methods to sever the connection over the years and it seems it cannot be done. I feel we spend time together at night. We talk quite often, though I try to limit it somewhat as I don't want it to impinge on his marriage. I don't believe he would be conscious of the conversations, but I'm sure (from previous experience with him) that his awareness would be more of having a feeling about me or having thoughts of me keep popping in his mind at these times. I don't want him to be distracted by that. I want his relationship to run it's full course.
I hope this length of post is allowed on this site.

Best wishes,

posted January 16, 2012 09:31 AM            

*miclsa, i posted on your thread as well, but i'm genuinely creeped by what you wrote here. every single word, i KNOW it. that is it. your number 1, 2, and 3 signs, i could have written those myself in exact words you used! have you suffered a lot too? have you gone through unthinkable renewals of your inner selves too?

Wow, that is spooky!

Thankfully, I think that sort of suffering is coming to an end for me now. And yes 'unthinkable renewals of inner self' is the perfect way to put it.

Best of luck with your Flame and processes.

(i'm gonna get a cup of tea before reading comments on the other thread).

posted January 16, 2012 05:31 PM            

well this woman i know who is very very intuitive/psychic and is an amazing astrologer recently spent a lot of time with me looking at the charts of me and my first love (with whom i got back together summer of 2010 briefly). then she saw us together a few days later and told me she has no doubt we are twin flames.

right now i am suffering from a breakup so i am willing to entertain this, if only to take my mind off him.

i didn't read this whole thread yet but it is very eerie what was said about eyes being windows to the soul as we have like THE EXACT SAME EYES. and we just have total recognition/get lost in eachothers' eyes. it's the weirdest thing and i have never had it with anyone else.

our road has been so extremely difficult and painful but last summer we both felt without a doubt we belonged together. then he got freaked out and alas no closure. when me and the guy i just split with were broken up for a few months me and this guy in question kept seeing eachother around.. and we are SO drawn together .. but it scares us both.

posted January 16, 2012 05:37 PM            

I don't feel a stranger to your experience.
Weird but true.

posted January 16, 2012 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
Anon, the Vertex has this feeling of destiny at break neck speed in my experience... however, it may be your destiny to have this soul friend come into your life for ANY purpose (mine was to remember I was still desirable to men when I was feeling as if I had missed the boat/past my prime type of feeling sorry for yourself.... enter soul friend to change my mind ). I wrote a story here about my experience with a boy and that aspect. I will find it for you.

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posted January 19, 2012 12:40 AM            

**Have you been in a relationship as well or do you see yourself being in one or is your TS stop you in a sense?**

Hi,
I had a mini 'not quite a relationship' relationship about 2 1/2yrs after him which didn't last long. This was with the person I mentioned with whom I share some special synastry and chart similarities. We are friends now. By about the 3yr mark (after TS) I began another relationship with my next partner, and very soon fell very much in love. That relationship lasted several years, we set up home together and did an incredible amount of work together until it was time to go our separate ways. We are now very best friends.

I'm determined that my connection with my TS doesn't prevent me from having romantic relationships. Though I'll probably never feel as though I'm not 'waiting', I don't want to wait in stasis or miss valuable opportunities that certain people and relationships might present me with. I can still gain and appreciate much from the experiences of companionship, romantic love and sexual intimacy.

The connection does make things more difficult. Actually, it made things especially difficult in the earlier years of my last relationship. In particular because I felt I was getting into something that I really believed wouldn't last. I'd felt and seen that I would one day be with my TS again. In those days, I thought my intuitions showed me facts about the future rather than potentials that could change at any time depending on choices and the paths taken along the way. So to be with someone I was in love with whilst also believing that it ultimately wouldn't last was heart wrenching at times. It was hard to dream and plan a future when there was this sense futility. It was also difficult to open myself up fully (in the early days) when believing I also needed to avoid the heartbreak of an inevitable end. Then there were the emotions of betrayal; it seemed wrong to offer myself in relationship and stimulate another's hopes and dreams for a future that I didn't believe could happen. It also seemed wrong to be with someone knowing they will never be your 'one', when you are becoming just that for them (in their eyes).

I was as honest about it as I could be without being cruel / excessively candid. It must have hurt, but thankfully my ex is a very very special person and made the choice to stay, love me and see where it would take us anyway. I realised love is precious and a very worthy experience (as was the relationship) even if it is less rarefied than what might be felt for / with a TS. It's just different and fulfils in other ways. Because one pales in contrast to the other it was hard to shed the feeling of 'sort of faking it' or that I was simply making do. So, I just tried not to contrast them. Which actually just translates as I tried to repress the feelings for my TS in order that they couldn't alert me to the contrast. Perhaps that is not the ideal thing to have done, but I don't regret it because it allowed me to stay in the relationship for as long as I did.

I had some of the greatest experiences of my life in that relationship, certainly the deepest explorations into the various and very human emotions (that I will probably ever have) and we achieved a huge amount together in terms conscious inner work and discovery. My TS wasn't there yet (or perhaps was going a different route and so didn't seem to be at the same place) but this person was. We were able to do so much of it together literally side by side (we hardly spent a day apart), discovering, studying, meditating, encouraging one another and being the extra eyes and ears for each other when something escaped our notice. We battled and sparred and watched each other learn and grow strong. I can't tell you the feeling it gives me to reflect on how we started together as tentative and tender twenty-somethings and fledged our little nest we'd created as more conscious, integrated and sturdy spiritual adults. I've been bawling just trying to type this paragraph. It gives me so much pleasure to reflect on all of our experiences together, how we came and who we are now. I am so grateful and so touched by the experience. It was so worth it. And, to see my [now] best friend's life unfold is a thing of beauty to me and often fills me with such respect.

The relationship did leave me craving to be with my TS more in the end, but I wouldn't reject a potential love relationship in future in order to avoid that. When I know it's utterly pointless I won't bother. Until then however if there is an attraction with someone and i recognise a potential for love, I will go with it.

I'm glad I didn't bore you with the last one; might be pushing my luck with this one.

posted January 19, 2012 09:13 AM            

I love and admire your courage for love! I completely understand the danger to feel like you are "done" when you lose your TS while still feel connected with him. Your willingness to dive into a new love with no limits, with honesty and living in the present is admirable.

I especially love your advice to never let a chance for a love connection go unexplored if it is mutual and there is potential.