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lovemeruby
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posted April 10, 2013 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read the twin flame and soul mate thread, I found it very helpful. Cleared a lot of things up for me, but is it possible to have a twin flame AND a soul mate in ones life at the same time? Im positive my relationship now is with my twin flame, its been the hardest time of my life just loving this person. I am miserable with him except I have a deep fondness for him and the hugs do feel like Im feeding and nurturing my soul. We fight ALL the time and it is bad, really bad fights. But when we hug, we both sigh very deeply and look at eachother very intensely and walk away. And then, there is another in my life which is causing me great confusion. It is a very psychic and intense bond and Im not familiar with it, but I feel like it is that way for a reason. What reason? It seems unrealistic to have both a twin flame and soul mate around at the same time, and if this is what Im experiencing how can I be sure?

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posted April 10, 2013 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Lovemeruby....welcome to LL...
Such an intense post...but I must ask you what is your definition of twin soul and soul mate romantic relationships?

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posted April 10, 2013 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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saronna
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posted April 10, 2013 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
look lovemeruby let me break it down like a girlfriend would to thier best friend. and you are your own best friend. something a tarot reader told me. the relationship doesnt sound healthy fighting all the time and really bad fights. and you are miserable with them. you deserve to be happy. whats up with that. for whatever reason the bad fights. so you have sexual chemistry i think. and you enjoy the hugs and the fondness the intensity and you are twinn flames. and there is this soulmate you want or like to have in your life. as well as your twinn flame. well my dearie. you can have have both. hang out with both of them. be around them both. its up to you. its your choice. like anything its choices. and you can both and live with one. or not live with neither. and live on your own or with another lover etc. or live with both. twinn flame and soulmate. that is if you are living togethier. i dont know if you are married to your twinn flame. but your soulmate sounds like someone who likes to live quietly and peaceful togethier with them. i dont know your situation so i cant give advice like they do in dear agony aunt. but i can give insight like a wise owl who knows how to catch a snake for dinner and eat. or like a cunning fox who knows how to look out and look after number one. but i dont think its wise to live with somone or move in with someone who you fight all the time and its really bad fights even if they are your twinn flame. just saying what the cost is of peace and serenity. is it something you can buy. and if you can.how much does it cost you to live with them or move in with them or be marriaged to them if you are marriaged to your twinn flame and or soulmate. big hugs. take care of you. and listen to your intuition. and trust your intuition. your gut. to thine self be true. be who you are. be true to yourself.

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posted April 11, 2013 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know anything about twin flames or soul mates, I never gave it much thought because I never thought I would meet either one of those in this lifetime. I read the thread about twin flame posted on this website and it raised a lot of questions about my own relationships. It is intense and it bothers me so much! I like intensity but the intensity of not really understanding what is going on with my mind and my heart right now is overwhelming. Im usually a pretty together kind of person so Im feeling a lot of anxiety about my situation.
My gut is telling me quite a bit about both of these people. I have been with my boyfriend for 9 years and we have one child, very young. Since I was pregnant our fights have been worse than they ever were. We did break up for over a year because it was toxic, and yet we couldn't prove to be away from each other. We got back together and started a family. I know that we have the same goal for humanity, we had that conversation ONCE, and it was very difficult to talk about it and open up to each other that way. And then we have never had a deep conversation like that ever again, or even before that, but we just knew we had that in common, we can see it in each other. Now the other person Im talking about, is a mutual friend and...I never gave this person a second thought because it was too intense. And now lately these past few months, Im baffled by his behavior and completely consumed with fighting away thoughts of him because it makes me feel like a cheater. I am not thinking sexually, I'm only wondering if he is alright and wondering why Im wondering that. He hasn't given me reason to believe he is ill or depressed. I'm devoted and loyal so why is this happening to me? My relationship has many problems, very dysfunctional. We go to therapy to understand each other, but I'm at the end of my rope with my boyfriend. I'm unconditionally patient with him, but not at the cost of my own mental health. If we did break up I would just become a hermit. I'm vulnerable and I don't want to think or feel like my other friend is running through my mind because its my imagination. I value his presence in my life and I don't want to ruin it, ever! Something very intense is going on between us and strangely I had not noticed this until my own boyfriend pointed it out and I argued incessantly that it wasn't true because I have never thought about him like that. So why now? After 9 years...some weird things happened when I met them both, and then when my boyfriend and I were broken up, I had not spoken to him in 6 months, I had a dream about the other guy. When I saw him again a few years later, he started telling this story...and to my great astonishment, I was there when it happened, but in my dream...I saw it all, I knew that had all happened to him. While he was telling the story, I turned quickly and said "oh my gosh, that's crazy I had a dream about you..." and I told him what I saw, but my boyfriend pulls me away from people when I start talking like that, I didn't get to finish. I don't like freaking people out, but my dreams are rarely confirmed like that, I'm really excited about that. I hope it starts happening more often But I'm sure if I do live with my twin flame it's because of this human we were supposed to create, our son. The smartest person I know. His presence has already forced many old ways of thinking to disintegrate, and his father seems to be having some trouble accepting the changes. It's come to the point where, he works in another state, that we do better far away from each other and are forces not to be reckoned with when we are together, peaceful or not. And my friend, when we are together, it feels like a magnet, a huge magnet and I'm the one who runs away all the time. Its a complicated unspoken bond we have and I do not want anyone around us to be able to see this, but they do, so I'm never around.

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posted April 12, 2013 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally believe u have many soul mates..

Your family , co workers, friends, even strangers on the street that u talk to for 5 mins.... For what ever reason...


So for me I would say yes it's possible to have both in your life at the same time...


Only me personally I'm not totally convinced a twin flame exists... Or if it does that u meet on this earthly plane...
My thinking you meet up together on an other worldly plane after 100,s of lives for each....

Idk either way its only theories... That's just my thinking

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lovemeruby
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posted April 12, 2013 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can the opposite be true then too? Is it possible to not meet any soul mates in a life time?(sorry the other entries were so long btw, I didnt realize... )
I think my relationships are just not meant to be, hence the discord. I'm still confused by it all though. AND wouldn't you want to get along with someone you connect with on that deep psychic level? What's the point in meeting them (twin flame) in any life if you won't get along most of the time? Im having a hard time grasping the idea of a soul mate, because I dont know anyone in my life that I trust or want around me...maybe I just havent met the people that are good for me yet.

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posted April 12, 2013 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A soul mate doesn't mean happiness, and we will live happily ever after..

Soulmate relationships are hard, very very hard...
It's also karmic, and learning...

Some last long periods, s don't...

Usually once the specific reason is full filled the relationship ends....

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posted April 13, 2013 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My TF and I met in order to create a powerful TV series (drama) specifically about balancing karma and the difficult, impossible-seeming relationship twin souls go through on their journey to complete 'the mission', whatever it may be.

I married a soulmate - a companion soul, specifically. It's certainly not easy, and we have plenty of karma to sort through, but he does feel like 'home', to me.

My TF and I have conversely been as close as we can be to the point where the relationship has become entirely frustrated and we aren't really speaking, since we can't be honest or express ourselves to each other. It all just gets frustrated and buried. Neither of us are very good with intimacy (that's an understatement) and so our connection has always been a sort of weird necessary evil. We want what we can't have, and therefore, end up trying to detach completely, but never do so successfully, or for long, get sucked back in again, and it only gets worse.

I fully believe TFs meet for the purpose of satisfying some major impacting goal - typically, something we share with the world which helps in terms of spiritual evolution. For us, it seems to be showing the 'reality' of TFs. Debunking the faerie-tale and demystifying the mysticism.

It's the most intense, volatile relationship I've ever known. Also, our composite is the most concentrated I've ever seen. Almost everything is in Scorpio and conjunct. (Sun, Moon, ASC, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter - Valentine, Karma, Destinn, etc.; then Pluto-Saturn-Atlantis hang out in a Libra chunk. Everything's across the 1H and 12H, too.)

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lovemeruby
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posted April 14, 2013 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IndigoDirae, very helpful, thank you. I have Venus in Scorpio and, I am, at most times of the day far too much to contain, and yet I somehow still miraculously pull off 100% control in the hardest emotional circumstances. Like the one I am in right now, except I have been searching for years on any type of advice that came remotely close to what I had been attempting to explain. There are no words to explain to the people around me somedays, but this made my day because someone can relate to me, it still will take time for everything I have been thinking and feeling to settle though. And everything is always changing

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lovemeruby
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posted April 14, 2013 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Lioness for answering my questions directly amongst all the wordiness, that's important to me

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posted April 14, 2013 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anytime. All we can do is try and help each other out best we can.

Incidentally, have you read the 'Graduate' theory - for lack of better? Where TFs are a previously ascended couple (I presume, of soulmates) that have returned as volunteers for a special type of mission? (How we tend to regularly see TF goals at any rate.) The kicker is that we have ONE soulmate, and THAT is the individual with whom we are to ascend. We may not have a TF.

This was both preposterous and intriguing to me. I have these three characters (older, been through all the battles, in their 60s in 'earth human years') and there was an odd dynamic between them.

I knew from the start that two are TFs who've ended up in a very difficult position where they can never be together (they had to divorce). They also want to do all they can to help the younger sets of TFs accomplish their mission - since it's all rather tied together. All well and good. But here's where it got tricky.

She meets the reincarnation of her first husband she'd lost to suicide decades before in her 20s. We KNOW that the other man - her second husband - is her TF. But then who the hell is her reincarnated first husband? And, in writerly terms, who does she 'end up with'?

It got me examining TF versus SM relations more closely. Why one is perceived as 'better' than the other. Which is hardly true, and might be the message here.

If we follow the Graduate theory, then soulmates ascend together, and TFs are previously ascended SMs back for a special purpose. For the (lucky?) few who are former Graduates, that means (I think) we still have a soulmate here with whom we're to ascend. Yeah, it can get messy fast.

So all the TF longing applies, but there's a kind of 'side quest', if you will, to get with our SM so that they can ascend, too. At first, I thought this was impossible - until I realised the TF are 'technically' one soul / vibrational energy. So it'd ultimately be the combining of two souls ascending to become one. One just happened to be a pair - TFs.

What do you think? I'm still trying to sort all that out. It's quite a new take for me. Yet, it could work ....

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lovemeruby
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posted April 14, 2013 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IndigoDirae, that was strangely accurate. Im relieved in sense to know what it is that Im going through. I wish that parents taught their children these things because it can be very draining understanding things like this about life if you don't know that these sorts of things do really happen. Nobody I know will believe me lol, I can't tell anybody. Im excited and Im in very deep thought to try to contain all these complications, it it also makes me grumpy.
On the other hand I'm terrified because neither of the relationships I wrote about are easy or enjoyable. I can't have what I want and I feel very strongly that things are this way because I have a job to do. For both people, my boyfriend and the friend, it is volatile between us. Except the friend and I hardly speak, we don't need to. People we know are freaked out and intrigued when we are around eachother...it irritates me. I just wish I could be open about all this stuff to everyone so I can just get it out, I feel like a steam powered engine that needs a couple valves to release the pressure. I just want to be happy, except Im alone all the time, with my son, stuck with my thoughts. And for good reason too, I wouldn't want to act out while Im sorting all this out, I might make a huge mistake. Im torn, my heart feels broken. And it also feels like it will stay like this for 10 more years at least. It's all timing I suppose. Not mine evidently lol

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posted April 14, 2013 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is your Scorpio Venus in the middle degrees - 10-15?

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lovemeruby
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posted April 15, 2013 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know, how do I find that out?

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lovemeruby
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posted April 15, 2013 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh I was wrong, my chart says Venus is in Gemini 8.07. My friend and I both have pluto and saturn in scorpio, he is scorpio and I am cancer and my bf is cap and his moon is in scorp....not really sure how it all comes together though???

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posted April 17, 2013 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Saturn Return's coming up for you; it's just left your Pluto, too. It's an intense, transformative time.

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@ lovermeruby I think it's possible to have both at the same time. The term 'soul mate' and 'twin soul' are often used synonymously and there is much confusion betweem the two. A soul mate and a twin soul (twinflame) are two different concepts. Throughout a lifetime one has many soulmates, but throughout eternity, one has only one twinsoul or 'twinflame'. The idea of the Twin Flame Soul Mate is often romanticaly idealized, but this dynamic union represents a more spiritual, sacred and unconditional Love. think people sometimes confuse karmic relationships to that of a Twin Flame or Soul mate. Soul Mates (in my version of that term) are souls that before you came into body you have a heightened connection with and choose to meet up with for meaning and purpose during your sojourn on earth, and are in hopes of developing a lasting meaningful, mutually beneficial relationship. They seem to be special souls you have a real deep affinity and bond with. (These are not to be confused with Twin flames.In my experience souls do keep these soul preferences outside of human form. Unfortunately, sometimes the free will factor, the ego factor, and so much of the messiness of earth living, can cloud either party from really recognizing the true potential of the alliance possible.
Karmic Connections are souls that you have unfinished business with, and have also scheduled into your blue print, with hopes of coming full circle with your desired outcome of the intended learning experience. In other words they are characters in your play to allow you the opportunity to learn, grow and expand from. Because their original design is to stretch you….they are often the most troubling and struggle ridden relationships.
Karmic Connections have a strong magnetism, usually in the beginning of the relationship. The strong pull is each souls “calling” (like a mating dance) to fulfill the agreements made in blue printing. It is like ringing a loud dinner bell, which has to be strong, or it would be easy for either party to just keep walking (which of course does happen some times as per free will).
Karmic Connections usually account for why some times one person feels much stronger about the other, and the feeling isn’t mutual. Usually the one with the stronger feelings is the one with the biggest learning lesson to gain. These souls may show up in our lives to play the roles of lovers, friends, bosses etc., but you know them by how strongly you felt about them.Soul Mate Friendships and Romantic Partners

Usually when we think of soul mates, we think of friendships and romantic partners. These relationships help one another grow. It is a special meeting that will most likely alter your life. There are at least seven kinds of soul mates, each recognizable by the quality of relationship we have with them. Reflect upon your own relationships while reading these.

Divine complements: These people are the exact opposite of you. They reflect shadow qualities you have denied expression in yourself. They are usually acquaintances, co-workers or friends, and less often lovers. They come in and out of your life, staying for a while, then leaving, and sometimes coming back again. Your divine complements exist to help you integrate aspects of your psyche that you have disowned. You are also their divine complement. Usually you grow at different rates and in different directions and go your separate ways, though divine complements may stick around for a lifetime. You feel challenged emotionally by these people and it is not a comfortable relationship. You feel that you have little in common with them.

Immortal friendships: There is no beginning or end to these friendships. It is difficult to remember when you met (usually in childhood), and there is no fear of losing him or her. Even if your friend moves or dies, there is little sense of loss because you always feel their presence in your life. Even if you haven't seen each other for twenty years, you begin where you left off, as if no time had passed. You share unconditional love. You are neither exactly the same nor the opposite, but you tend to go through similar lessons at the same time, help each other, and share common interests and talents. Conflicts are extremely rare, and when they occur are easily resolved and forgotten. Immortal friendships are our soul's way of reminding us that we are never alone and always loved. These friendships make us feel safe, supported and immortal. They also hold the secret to what a romantic relationship is meant to be. If you ever wonder if your partner is the soul mate that's best for you, compare it to your immortal friendship, and you have your answer.

Karmic relationships: The most common of soul mate relationships, karmic relationships may be challenging or supportive experiences. They exist to fulfill karma from past lives. When we meet a karmic partner, we are drawn to him or her with a magnetic intensity. These people feel familiar, and we become involved with them very quickly. In the initial stages of the friendship or intimate relationship, much time is spent together getting to know one another.

Supportive karmic relationships: If the karma is to repay kindness, these people help us to move forward to fulfill our life purpose. They are often family members (who feel like friends), friends of the family or personal friends, teachers, co-workers, or even people with whom we have vacation romances. Sometimes, if we are fortunate, they are romantic partners. They come into our life, for brief periods or for life, to support and remind us that we are special and lovable. They offer their love with few conditions. The relationship is characterized by its ease, and engenders good feelings for both people.

Challenging karmic relationships: These relationships help us to identify our false core beliefs, by triggering the worst in us. While we may initially feel strong feelings of love, it is highly conditional. Eventually someone does something to provoke intense feelings of anger, jealousy, envy, rejection, abandonment and betrayal in the other. Usually our lessons are learned after the relationship has ended, when we recover from it. These relationships mirror core beliefs about what we believe we are worthy of receiving. Our lessons are to forgive, grow in compassion and love, for both self and other, and heal false core beliefs.

Twin mates: Sharing a connection of a like-minded service, twin mates have common purposes within the world. Rarely romantic partners, or even close friends, twin mates come together to work harmoniously to accomplish a project. Each has skills that assist the other in finishing the task successfully. Unlike other soul relationships, the main purpose of twin mate relationships is not helping one another to grow emotionally. Instead they serve the greater good of a society or culture. The relationship lasts as long as is necessary to complete the project.

Divine companions: Always a romantic relationship, divine companions provoke the greatest joy and the deepest grief. Often mistaken for a twin flame, we believe divine companions to be "the one." The connection creates strong feelings of physical attraction, profound intimacy and joy. Moments of magic occur between the two people, and identification with one another can be so strong, that you feel as if you are the other person.

But there is still karma left to work out in these relationships. At some point, conflict enters the picture, and each tries his or her hardest to resolve the conflict in order to keep the relationship going. Very rarely does the conflict get resolved. If resolution occurs, then this person may become your life partner, and bring great joy and fulfillment. But whether the relationship ends or not, your understanding of life is turned inside out. Your most cherished and deeply ingrained core beliefs about who you are, your purpose in life and the way the universe works are demolished. Intense grief and periods of depression are experienced. These are periods of clearing beliefs that no longer serve us, so we can build new beliefs from the ground up — ones that are closer to the truth. Through experiencing profound loss, divine companions increase our capacity to love by opening our hearts and strengthening our psychological foundation. Divine companions may even prepare us for meeting our twin flame.

Twin flames: Twin flame relationships are the inspiration for our deepest romantic desires and longings. It is our soul's knowledge of their existence that makes us strive to be unconditionally loving. Twin flame relationships, though becoming more common in the new energy, are exceptionally rare. They only occur when we are spiritually, psychologically and emotionally ready for them. There is no karma between the two individuals. These relationships exemplify unconditional love, harmony and cooperation.

It is said that the twin flame is the other half of our soul. While we have many soul mates, we only have one twin flame. He or she shares identical beliefs, values and dreams. Because he or she is your counterpart, in order to have a relationship with your twin flame, you must have an unconditionally loving relationship with yourself. You must experience and know your wholeness. You do not long for another person to complete you, and you are not even looking for love. You have discovered that you are the source of love. You live in harmony with your Higher Self. You are following your passion and fulfilling your life purpose.

When twin flames meet, there is fire. Ecstasy is a daily experience. Your combined energies are magnified, and the divine love of the Creator flows through you into the world. Your meeting serves the world because you model for others a loving relationship. You work together, combining your similar talents and purposes, and bless the world with eternal gifts.

As you can see I have devoured countless hours into research

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lovemeruby
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posted April 17, 2013 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, that was a lot of information thank you
I will have to study this many times, I read it a couple times already. I am finding it very helpful already

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posted April 19, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemeruby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im having a hard time placing these relationships in perspective to my relationships. I have no close friends with a harmonious bond. I really only have the one friend and it's kind of hard work to be friends with that scorpio I was talking about.That's the closest friend I have. Some of my cousins are there for me, but its more like a sibling dynamic. We aren't that close. My bf and I ALWAYS fight and bicker, but when its good its good. I connect with people everywhere but none of them stick in my life and so far the ones that have stayed in my life are very trying relationships. Betrayal and being an outcast are very familiar to me. I've been alone for most of my life in my beliefs and actions. Im honest and it's a curse, who wants to hang out with someone who is always telling it like it is? Aquaintances say the nicest words to me, telling me that I give great advice and I seem like I have my sh** together lol, which for the most part I do, but who do I ask for advice? Why doesnt anyone call me and invite me anywhere or ask if I need a break from being alone?

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