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andstuff
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posted December 06, 2013 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, yeah I was wondering if denying someone my company and my attention is bad for me?

Because a few people have been writing about the whole namaste approach and whatnot, acknowledging there is god in everyone... and even being a pantheist, I have been finding myself to be a very selective one, i.e. I only acknowledge God in others sporadically.

So anyway, the meanest I have ever been to guys is something like "i am surprised you're asking me this/that", "i am surprised at your interest in getting to know me", "i am sorry, you don't know me" and refusing to lean in to be kissed on the cheek in a company of friends all of whom kissed me.

When picked up on the public transport, I normally say "i would be grateful to you if we could stop this conversation, it's not personal".

So basically it's not openly/markedly mean, but it's the opposite of namaste really. Am I wrong in not giving all this rubbish a chance straight away because my empath radio tells me no crazy love is lurking there and my idea of love and beauty would end up raped and spiritual hunger and self-hate is all I'd get? Is this really bad in terms of karma if I don't really insult anyone? (but yeah I make a point about not being interested, not aggressively but well I'd be hurt if someone treated me that way)

I don't regret this and I don't think I missed out on anything indispensably beautiful, but should I have been nicer? Is my karma tarnished?

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posted December 06, 2013 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should be respectful - but not overly nice.
I mean you are just one person. You can't keep everyone happy and go out with every single man who shows interest.

Don't be nasty though, unless it's in self-defence.
If they become pushy and they won't leave you alone.. then it's ok to 'lay down the law' lol

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posted December 06, 2013 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Is my karma tarnished?

Someone thinks you're fabulous just as you are - what a compliment! - and you respond to such sentiments by ripping them to shreds?? Possible. jk

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I don't regret this and I don't think I missed out on anything indispensably beautiful, but should I have been nicer?

Yes, you should've been nicer.

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posted December 06, 2013 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God may be in everyone, but if they don't believe it, why should you act like everyone does?

I don't think it will create bad karma, it's about personal boundaries. But if you don't trust anyone that approaches you, well, that could be something else.

And karma is action/incompleteness. If you fixate on this, you could be creating karma but not because of your interactions per se. See the difference?

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posted December 07, 2013 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, not bad for you.

And a depressing number of women I've met who were raped were raped because they felt they had to be nice to every man who showed them attention even when they had a bad feeling. They're made to feel bad if they're not nice but when they get raped for it they're then made to feel bad for being nice, so they couldn't win either way (therefore best not to play!). The most surreal was a woman who was blamed by her PRIEST for being raped because she'd given the guy who raped her a glass of water! So obviously you can reap very bad karma by being nice to everyone.

And if God is in everyone then God is also in you just as much as everyone else. That means your wishes and desires are just as worthy of respect--no more and no less (save when it comes to things like your body and life where you can gently push people away just as they have the same right to do with you and should not considered mean).

That said, if you restrict yourself to the attention of guys in terms of "crazy love" then I'm sure you're missing some beautiful moments. OTOH, no matter what you do, there are going to be ugly and beautiful moments anyway. Karma is far more complicated than most people give it credit for (I like the term "blind machine"), and it's not always just, at least not as we humans tend to define as being "just."

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posted December 07, 2013 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Pixie Jane:

thanks for such a lovely reply.

i didn't mean literally raped, more like a feeling my soul were raped. these 2 things are by no means comparable, but still

if i may, what beautiful moments are you referring to?

i loathe being desired by men i am not interested in. i have no idea who they are and they are imagining me undressed already, should that be a beautiful moment? it makes me sick and frankly i think it's natural to try to avoid feeling ill at ease.

there used to be people who were romantically interested in me who are now my friends, but A) their romantic interest was very delicately expressed and i never felt any seedy vibes B) i couldn't really avoid their company C) one of these became one of my dearest friends, he was really caring and unselfish and whatnot

as is, most men's attention makes me feel seedy and soiled. and i don't wish to feel seedy and soiled. which is where my boundaries lie. i know i always have to make a point. someone should pay for hurting me, and making me feel soiled is hurting me. i am not the one to blame, i feel like if i let it be without showing my teeth to the universe it will keep doing it

there is another crazy story when my lover assumed he was too rotten to be near me so i could only communicate with him by posting pictures in my blog he sneaked around all the time. i was very much in pain a that time because i thought he didn't want me at all, later it cropped up his desire for me didn't go anywhere, just wasn't manifested in any ways i'd be aware of. but at that time i was feeling quite depressed.

so for his birthday i posted a picture of myself which was 100% decent but they say unbearably erotic, so one of the readers of my blog started stalking me on facebook, gtalk and elsewhere, and i was really angry about it, too angry to cope almost. i didn't want to be an object of desire to anyone but one person [the person sent me the first love letter shortly afterwards, so my trick hit home], and i don't know, it makes me sick knowing people i don't desire can desire me. so yeah the other one kept trying to get close to me, sending me messages like "i wish we could meet in real life, it feels so good talking to you bla-bla-bla"

when i was a kid and my fav toy got broken/lost, i would expressly break or lose a less fav one to make an existential point. so i don't know if i am right if i keep doing this to this day. i do make a point. "if you don't give me what i want, you'll never make me want what you do give me"

i never openly insulted anyone, at the very most i'd say something sarcastic such as "i wish i could forgive this xxx in your message"

10000000 idiots could desire me and it wouldn't make a difference and would add zero to my value in my own eyes. i wish i could become invisible to people or appear plain to all but one

this is my only way of showing the universe i am right about things. but then what if even this is not allowed?

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posted December 07, 2013 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Nina: I think I tried my nicest. Maybe I should really try to be and feel as indifferent as can be, then I'd be more neutral. It was very difficult to be neutral and unoffended when I felt every bit insulted by life/the universe itself, and someone had to pay (and since I wasn't the one to blame, surely it was the other person involved). Does indifference lead to bad karma?

I read a joke somewhere online that by getting laid with ugly virgins, underloved late bloomers and other leftoversone gets karmic bonuses, but apparently it's what it is, a joke


@Odette: no, thank GOd it's never been that bad. I don't think I'd live, it would be so seedy I would die of disgust.


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I don't think it will create bad karma, it's about personal boundaries. But if you don't trust anyone that approaches you, well, that could be something else.

And karma is action/incompleteness. If you fixate on this, you could be creating karma but not because of your interactions per se. See the difference?


Not quite, no I can't see the difference

I can't forgive men who desire me, to put it simply. I can't forgive them for desiring me because life drove me away from the one I did desire and who was later decomposed by a toxic lifestyle. I can't forgive anyone who desires me for being available whilst such a horrible thing happened when I wanted someone very bad.

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posted December 07, 2013 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood where you were coming from.

Hmm. It seems like you were badly hurt by life and have devised coping strategies. Sorry if that sounds harsh. Maybe the only acceptance you can start with is that you can't change people who desire you, but you can definitely reply firmly when their attention is unwarranted. Loathing them doesn't create karma with each person per se but you will continue to attract that attention if you can't forgive them.

It's like a constant emotional state that will keep you in bondage which attracts the same type of people because your spirit wants t solve the issue.

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posted December 07, 2013 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:
Maybe the only acceptance you can start with is that you can't change people who desire you, but you can definitely reply firmly when their attention is unwarranted. Loathing them doesn't create karma with each person per se but you will continue to attract that attention if you can't forgive them.

It's like a constant emotional state that will keep you in bondage which attracts the same type of people because your spirit wants t solve the issue.


Ok, thanks for clearing this up.

But I don't believe there to be an issue, I just don't want to be bugged by them thats all. I have been hiding lately, not going out because even when someone as much as looks my way it makes me sad.

The thing is I wouldn't be cold or ironic to anyone if they didn't bug me. Plus the question is I guess if I owe it to myself to learn to be totally indifferent to this or not. Or if I should be nicer and be gentler about sending them walking to perhaps make new friends and whatnot (some people say i should... but then I'm like should i ask if they have hot friends my age lol). Why would my spirit want something as screwy as forgiving people who hurt me and incidentally they hurt my spirit, it's in bloody shreds as a result of these horrors ?

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posted December 07, 2013 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can reject them in a nicer fashion. You make yourself look quite up yourself when you reply the way you do o_o. As a guy to have the guts to approach a girl, they don't need to be shot down in such a rude way.

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posted December 07, 2013 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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if i may, what beautiful moments are you referring to?

Shared moments that increase the joy, useful perspectives, seeing beyond one's self, mentorship, introduced to experiences that only a guy would likely do. Some of those memories are among my most treasured.

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it makes me sick and frankly i think it's natural to try to avoid feeling ill at ease

Natural to avoid, yes, but unless they're being especially rude about it then it's not their fault. However, you should still avoid it. Perhaps you are not the one to blame but neither are men. They have a right to their feelings as you do yours, and you have no right to make them pay for how you feel unless you already made it clear they're to stay away from you and they don't.

Luckily this isn't my cross to bear. I've even maintained a close friendship with a guy who expressed desire for me after his divorce though it got awkward until he found someone else and now I'm still friends with him and his wife. Sure, I have to put up with guys who are invasive and worse but as long as I don't feel menaced or forced to put up with their company I just shrug it off while keeping them at a distance. But if I were like you I'd have to find some way to retreat from the world, maybe even go to a "womyn's land" (btw, most of those women living in such places who claim to be lesbian are actually asexual, at least that's how they come off to me, and even when they're not they're still not inclined to be the "seedy" sort).

But what you should worry about is the need to make others pay. THAT is the path to bad karma. Defending yourself and your boundaries is one thing but seeking revenge, especially for something that may not be intentionally inflicted, is a sure way to get a toxic bad cycle going that's going to come back for you in more ways than one. Remember, they have just as much right to judge and punish you as you do them, and if you exercise yours be ready for them to return the favor, and even if they don't there's still all sorts of bad karma that inflicting punishment can bring about.

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posted December 08, 2013 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Haplesschild: you should learn to distinguish cold/ironic and rude, these are different things

@PixieJane: you're obviously right about everything, but in what sort of a positon does it put me?

I tend to feel vibes/emotions of others, and feeling someone's interest/admiration/hopes I am the one is seriously horrible, it leaves me in shreds. So it's still not fair that I should be in shreds. What happens on an existential level is a threat to my idea of lOve and beauty for which I have to fight and which I have to protect. Which is why I used the word seedy. Plus I am not a lesbian nor asexual, just some shoes to fill someone has to, and seeing people actIng as of they actually were fit to fill them without being that is sort of unfair towards me, I want god to stop doing this to me, because he knows it hurts me and yet keeps doing it to me.

Did I mention a fat 35 year old crack addict who was giving me looks of admiration with some badly suppressed tenderness in his voice? Just seems unfair that I have to deal with after losing a person no one got remotely close to in terms of my feelings towards him, I am sick of god mocking me and hurting me, and every time I think it's ok it's something worse such as my friends husband placing his hand too low when
hugging me to say bye while my friend can't possibly see this... It is impossible to put all of this crap in the life of someone who totally doesn't deserve it

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posted December 08, 2013 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't say much to that because I don't believe in God as you do nor do I believe life is fair, at least not in the way you define it. Here, a summary of karma from my perspective:
http://www.deepleafproductions.com/wilsonlibrary/texts/raw-karma.html

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Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to "stop the wheel" is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called "the horror of our situation," you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.


I do believe in magic (generally a type of guided synchronicity) and from what I've heard witches say one can evoke an archetype of Justice (such as in the form of a god or goddess) but this is dangerous, the one who does the evoking gets judged right along with the target and I never heard of anyone willing to cast that spell (if evident that it worked) more than once.

The most I can suggest is look into astrological reasons why you're this sensitive and/or why you draw in people who bother you and try to work on transforming that energy...astrology isn't iron-clad destiny, it can be evolved into something good instead of letting it drown you.

But I repeat, be very careful about the desire to punish as it can lead to all sorts of negative consequences (that is karma in how I see it), though that caution shouldn't be mistaken for fatalism and pacifism...there are more choices than being a wolf or lamb (and generally speaking choosing to be either--wolf or lamb--is just as self-destructive in the end).

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posted December 08, 2013 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, yeah sure, you're right, but frankly there is nothing i can do about it, especially after my crazy love story was over i became some kind of sex magnet everyone feels obliged to stare at (Grand Trine Venus-Asc-Pluto).

At first I was doing my best to look down and to try not to notice, but this can't go on forever, pain is inflicted to me and it has been inflicted for years and does pain beget more pain by the way, similarly to war begetting war from the quote? Because I cannot stop this pain from being inflicted unless it is by hiding, but this would mean I will never find anyone to fill my lover's shoes and I haven't quite given up the hope yet, even though I am on the verge of it.

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posted December 09, 2013 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leolady82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems as if you want to establish firm boundaries in public, and I don't blame you. I live in a City where I get catcalls and even MOLESTED on the dancefloor at clubs and I HATE it. However, I believe firmly in personal freedom. A guy has the freedom to feel lust and to look; you can't really stop him unless you want to talk s-it, which I have personally done, or straight assault him, which I have yet to do I get told I am "beautiful," "sexy," "gorgeous," etc., by men on the streets on a daily basis if I am out and about. It makes me feel uncomfortable too, but not nearly to your caliber of discomfort. Perhaps you could work on a more laid back attitude and start changing your perception of it being such a big deal? Unfortunately, everyone is allowed his or her own opinion. LOL. I usually just say "Uh, thanks," and continue walking. Thank god I don't have to take public traspo! In the past, MAN there are some CREE-pers!

Yeah, changing how you view things in life is a must. Changing very NEGATIVE points of view is very liberating. And knowing there are some things you can't change (like being hit on by strangers...or worse, having your a$$ groped in a club when all you're trying to do is dance n get it crackin') is key.

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posted December 10, 2013 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ if they just call you sexy in the street it lasts 5 secs and doesn't need to be taken personally, does it? it is about them, not about us. everywhere i have lived it was very rare though, so maybe if this becomes too frequent i do admit it might have the potential to get on one's nerves

but when it becomes personalised, when someone actually singles you out and treats you as if you were exceptional, and you just know the person is wrong wrong wrong this is when it gets nauseating, because deep down they have that sickening longing for me/or someone else to turn out to be the one and bla-bla-bla. there is this group of single guys that are very insecure and accumulate all their unwasted libido the reason being shyness or lack of an interesting personality. so and when these direct their longing, their unclaimed love and affection at me... this is when i wish i had a license to carry a gun.

horrible people adore saying "learn to admit". so it's either them learning to admit they have no right to even consider me or me learning to admit i'm in their league. i am not in their league. a perfect syllogism we've got

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posted December 10, 2013 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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so and when these direct their longing, their unclaimed love and affection at me... this is when i wish i had a license to carry a gun.

It's annoying when someone claims to be 'in love' when you know it's bs.. because they are really just in love with "love" and kind of delusional.. and it's also frustrating if they won't let go.
But generally I can ignore this kind of thing and just distance myself.
I don't have an aggressive reaction like wishing I had a gun.

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posted December 10, 2013 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ well, it's might have been a metaphor I cool off effortlessly as well. so maybe it's a good thing i don't have a gun

i tried ignoring and saying to myself this is a parallel world and a different universe. have to admit in terms of how i feel it's much better.

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There is absolutely no need to be cold to sb you don't know who has inflicted no grievances on you. It IS rude. If you were on the receiving end you'd think the guy's obnoxious and jerky. . A "Sorry, I'm not interested" would suffice.
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@ Haplesschild: you should learn to distinguish cold/ironic and rude, these are different things

@PixieJane: you're obviously right about everything, but in what sort of a positon does it put me?

I tend to feel vibes/emotions of others, and feeling someone's interest/admiration/hopes I am the one is seriously horrible, it leaves me in shreds. So it's still not fair that I should be in shreds. What happens on an existential level is a threat to my idea of lOve and beauty for which I have to fight and which I have to protect. Which is why I used the word seedy. Plus I am not a lesbian nor asexual, just some shoes to fill someone has to, and seeing people actIng as of they actually were fit to fill them without being that is sort of unfair towards me, I want god to stop doing this to me, because he knows it hurts me and yet keeps doing it to me.

Did I mention a fat 35 year old crack addict who was giving me looks of admiration with some badly suppressed tenderness in his voice? Just seems unfair that I have to deal with after losing a person no one got remotely close to in terms of my feelings towards him, I am sick of god mocking me and hurting me, and every time I think it's ok it's something worse such as my friends husband placing his hand too low when
hugging me to say bye while my friend can't possibly see this... It is impossible to put all of this crap in the life of someone who totally doesn't deserve it


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posted December 10, 2013 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There is absolutely no need to be cold to sb you don't know who has inflicted no grievances on you. It IS rude. If you were on the receiving end you'd think the guy's obnoxious and jerky. . A "Sorry, I'm not interested" would suffice.

I wonder if I should envy you. My loser's world is stuffed full of "I believe" or "might be", whereas yours is so very structured and unambiguous, every thought you proclaim comes across as if it were an absolute thing. With conclusions drawn about people and behaviour you have never observed in your life. Do you want to be congratulated thereon?

Grievances were inflicted. Existential grievances for example. But existentialism is so about maybes that I am not sure you would find it one bit relevant

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posted December 12, 2013 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@ Pixie Jane:

thanks for such a lovely reply.

i didn't mean literally raped, more like a feeling my soul were raped. these 2 things are by no means comparable, but still

if i may, what beautiful moments are you referring to?

i loathe being desired by men i am not interested in. i have no idea who they are and they are imagining me undressed already, should that be a beautiful moment? it makes me sick and frankly i think it's natural to try to avoid feeling ill at ease.

there used to be people who were romantically interested in me who are now my friends, but A) their romantic interest was very delicately expressed and i never felt any seedy vibes B) i couldn't really avoid their company C) one of these became one of my dearest friends, he was really caring and unselfish and whatnot

as is, most men's attention makes me feel seedy and soiled. and i don't wish to feel seedy and soiled. which is where my boundaries lie. i know i always have to make a point. someone should pay for hurting me, and making me feel soiled is hurting me. i am not the one to blame, i feel like if i let it be without showing my teeth to the universe it will keep doing it

there is another crazy story when my lover assumed he was too rotten to be near me so i could only communicate with him by posting pictures in my blog he sneaked around all the time. i was very much in pain a that time because i thought he didn't want me at all, later it cropped up his desire for me didn't go anywhere, just wasn't manifested in any ways i'd be aware of. but at that time i was feeling quite depressed.

so for his birthday i posted a picture of myself which was 100% decent but they say unbearably erotic, so one of the readers of my blog started stalking me on facebook, gtalk and elsewhere, and i was really angry about it, too angry to cope almost. i didn't want to be an object of desire to anyone but one person [the person sent me the first love letter shortly afterwards, so my trick hit home], and i don't know, it makes me sick knowing people i don't desire can desire me. so yeah the other one kept trying to get close to me, sending me messages like "i wish we could meet in real life, it feels so good talking to you bla-bla-bla"

when i was a kid and my fav toy got broken/lost, i would expressly break or lose a less fav one to make an existential point. so i don't know if i am right if i keep doing this to this day. i do make a point. "if you don't give me what i want, you'll never make me want what you do give me"

i never openly insulted anyone, at the very most i'd say something sarcastic such as "i wish i could forgive this xxx in your message"

10000000 idiots could desire me and it wouldn't make a difference and would add zero to my value in my own eyes. i wish i could become invisible to people or appear plain to all but one

this is my only way of showing the universe i am right about things. but then what if even this is not allowed?



@andStuff, I can relate to much of what you have said. I remember I would not go out of my house without being totally covered up (even in the summer) because I couldn't stand some of the attention I would get. Finally, however, I realized that I was attracting the very attention I didn't want by giving attention to the thing I didn't want. Once I stopped worrying about who would or would not look, comment, etc. on what I wore or did, is when it totally stopped. No word of a lie. It stopped. No longer did men I found creepy stare at me or follow me around in stores. No longer did get the kind of attention I didn't want. It's like those guys or people just fell off the face of the earth... or at least my part of it. Do you understand?

On a different note, I recently removed my pictures and profile off two particular online dating sites because I just didn't want the "vibe" I was feeling during the day sometimes. Of a fact, if I was feeling strange or like I was being stalked, sure enough, when I checked my email, it was some guy online who I found creepy that either viewed my profile or reached out to me or both. It was so weird! At any rate, I can relate to what you have said and these were some of the ways that helped me resolve it.

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posted December 13, 2013 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ well, yeah, maybe you're right, i still feel it's not fair that i should suffer from self-loathing. what's the point in being a sex magnet if it pulls all sorts of wrong sh*t and nothing worth pulling in is nowhere in sight

I don't have a dating site profile, somehow don't feel like the boy of my dreams is anywhere near them. Wonder what would happen if I had one, I would commit suicide most prob.

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posted December 13, 2013 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leolady82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by andstuff:
^ if they just call you sexy in the street it lasts 5 secs and doesn't need to be taken personally, does it?

but when it becomes personalised, when someone actually singles you out and treats you as if you were exceptional, and you just know the person is wrong wrong wrong this is when it gets nauseating


I agree!

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sugarflapjacks
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From: southeasternseaboard
Registered: Sep 2013

posted December 18, 2013 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by andstuff:
I don't have a dating site profile, somehow don't feel like the boy of my dreams is anywhere near them. Wonder what would happen if I had one, I would commit suicide most prob.
LOL!
andstuff, what are we going to do with you

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