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sugarflapjacks
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posted August 16, 2014 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If not, how would you say they are different?

Can one have a successful relationship with only one and not the other? Is it even possible to have one and not the other and the relationship be meaningful and worthwhile?

Is one more important to you than the other?

Can one get you into more 'trouble' (than the other) if it's negatively aspected, yet draws you in?

Which one should come first? And will the other follow?

I can understand one having an emotional connection with family members and "chemistry" not playing a part in that, especially if the word "chemistry" is used more for sexual attraction? I'm not trying to get into semantics, I'm interested in learning perspectives on this that may be different than my own.

This is an open discussion for all scenarios that explain their differences/similarities. Although it is the "love" connection scenario that has made me ask this question (which has become a brainstorming session for me!)

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posted August 16, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering the same thing not long ago. Still am to some extent.

In my (limited) experience, if there's no chemistry (i.e physical attraction, no matter how small), there can't be deep emotional attraction; unless it's a friendly type of attraction, in which case it's more superficial and less intense and intimate.

For instance, I can find some people attractive for their personality traits, but if I'm not attracted on a physical level then it becomes almost useless to me. I don't see the point in having male 'friends', personally. I have male 'buddies', people I can hang out with, and talk to. But deep friendship with the opposite sex is close to impossible, first because it can get complicated really fast (if one party wants more than friendship or starts developing romantic or sexual feelings) and second because there's simply nothing to hold it together if there's no physical attraction (this point is different for different people. Some people swear they have close friends of the opposite sex. Not saying it's impossible, just not very likely).

That was a bit of a tangent.

Anyway, I don't think a relationship can be successful per se with only one of the two. Some people don't care about emotional connection, if they can get sex and some fun, that's enough for them. But I'd say those people aren't the type to form committed relationships anyway. Someone who wants a fulfilling and long-lasting relationship will most likely want to have both the physical and the emotional aspects fulfilled.

I don't know that one "should" come first. It seems that emotional connection first leads to more fulfilling and successful relationships because the people simply like each other for who they are to begin with, they "click" and are attracted to each other beyond their bodies. But that's not usually how it works, obviously. Physical attraction precedes everything else, in most cases. If you have one, it doesn't mean that you necessarily have the other. Especially when it comes to "chemistry." There are many people out there who only have one and not the other in their relationships and clearly, they are frustrated. Which can lead to affairs and severe ups and downs.

Anyway, I feel like this is all so obvious I don't even know why I'm typing this out, lol...

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posted August 22, 2014 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I classify connections as physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. If physical is Earth, emotional Water, mental is Air and spiritual must be Fire? Many people symbolize the spiritual with a flame. I see spiritual as more all encompassing though.

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posted August 22, 2014 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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because there's simply nothing to hold it together if there's no physical attraction (this point is different for different people. Some people swear they have close friends of the opposite sex. Not saying it's impossible, just not very likely).


Then how come same gender close friendships between hetero people where sexual attraction is not an option are formed and maintained?

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posted August 23, 2014 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]because there's simply nothing to hold it together if there's no physical attraction (this point is different for different people. Some people swear they have close friends of the opposite sex. Not saying it's impossible, just not very likely).


Then how come same gender close friendships between hetero people where sexual attraction is not an option are formed and maintained?

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posted August 23, 2014 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Then how come same gender close friendships between hetero people where sexual attraction is not an option are formed and maintained?

More common ground. Less ambiguity.

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posted August 23, 2014 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If there's no sexual attraction on either side then there's no ambiguity. And some people can relate as easily or even more easily to the opposite sex.

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posted August 24, 2014 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But that's the thing, such things are flexible.
You can consider X a friend one day, and at some point after extended emotional involvement (which is what friendship is basically supposed to be all about), things can get messier. Feelings fluctuate, and I can tell you that in most cases, one party ends up being in shaky territory because of such close involvement.

I haven't met many people (actually can't think of anyone) who have (close) friends of the opposite sex (actual grown-ups); now I'm not saying they can't be friends in a more shallow sense of the word, like hanging out from time to time and talking about nothings.

Perhaps I have a weird/hazy definition of friendship.

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posted August 24, 2014 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Friends I knew in College.

He actually made advances in the last year or so, but the Friendship is much too precious to me to endanger.

Actually, I have the same dilemma with a Girl...

I truly Value my Long-Term Friendships, though.

When you bring Sexual Tensions in, it just ruins it.

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posted August 25, 2014 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have close friends of both genders, and chemistry with very few of them. If they're all crushing on me or something I'd be surprised.

Btw, thought I'd throw this out there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love

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posted December 05, 2014 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Doux Rêve, that was such a thoughtful reply that you posted, not at all a tangent, and if it is obvious, it was still very well said. I know I wouldn't have been able to write that and you nailed it, imo. Thank you.

You got me to thinking and now it's becoming clearer to me that "chemistry" is the word for the whole kit & kaboodle. The physical and emotional attraction. I guess the emotional could also spill over to be classified as "spiritual" since it's intangible, and mental makes me think an emotional bond is formed as well. So now, I'm able to compartmentalize each. (Thanks Mystic Melody for breaking it down into those four aspects, it helped me to organize my thoughts.)

If I am mentally stimulated by a man, it could lead to an emotional connection and I could start to look at him as more sexually attractive, but honestly, that would only last as long as he was mentally stimulating me. In other words, when the "smoke" clears, I probably wouldn't be attracted to him sexually.

Physical appearance, yes, is a big factor, but my last intimate relationship was with a man who was physically attractive as well as super smart and I was hoping the emotional and spiritual would kick in, but it didn't. Alas, after four years, we parted company, I just felt we had nothing solid to stand on.

I have an emotional, mental and physical connection with a man I've known for several years, and there could be a spiritual connection there as well, at least there was. But alas, our spiritual beliefs are a bit different. There are some areas where we agree, however, at the core, our points of reference are different. Try as I might to just settle for "agreeing to disagree", the potential for harmony would be strained or maybe in even fake. I know what I believe, and why I believe it. It works for me, as his beliefs work for him. I try to think this is not important and we can make it work, but in my heart, I know it will be a problem. He doesn't think so, and honestly, he probably thinks I'm putting too much stock in something that he feels wouldn't be an issue. But I know it would, because I know how I am.

It's a shame, because he's a beautiful soul, a bit selfish though, but not in a mean way, just set in his ways as I am in mine. We get along really well, whenever we spend time together. I think he more or less thinks I'll come over to his way of thinking/seeing things. But at the core, I won't. So in this scenario, I have 3 out of 4 (emotional, physical and mental), but the spiritual aspect is just so important.

Am I asking too much? Looking for perfection? Maybe I should just choose which of those aspects I can live without. I haven't come to a choice yet, I guess I will have to keep my eyes open and when a love interest comes along, I'll be able to filter better which are most important for the long-term. I'm looking for the love of my life (as probably all of us are, who hasn't found that person yet), and I'm wondering if all of those aspects have to there in order to have it.

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posted December 05, 2014 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ellynlvx, where does your relationship stand with your two friends who have told you they want to take the relationship in a different direction than you do?

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posted December 05, 2014 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@I'm so cappy, I've heard many women say that they can relate better to men than to women as friends -- I even thought I was in that boat, but it hasn't failed that if I start to develop a close friendship with a man, he will tell me eventually that he was attracted to me on a sexual level (well, not is those exact words, but the point is that). Because I already think of him as a friend and thought he felt the same, the friendship doesn't usually go on much longer. Maybe we reconnect later down the line when his feelings have "cooled", but it hasn't happened that way for me yet. Maybe it's our ages that do this to us. When we are younger, 20s, maybe 30ish, you could be friends with the opposite sex, but as Doux said, it can be messy the older one gets. Could be since we've had experiences and our minds are more mature to recognize qualities that are important to us. If we see this in someone, well, we go after it.

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posted December 05, 2014 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Swift Freeze, yep, that's what I say

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posted December 05, 2014 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sugarflapjacks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@PixieJane, thanks for posting that wiki.

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posted December 06, 2014 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to agree with Doux on this one. IMO most male/female friendships are forced and unnatural. There's almost always "The hope" that the friendship will develop into something more boiling right below the surface in atleast one of the parties involved. Over time these repressed feelings lead to resentment and anger and usually end up destroying the friendship.

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posted December 06, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think what Doux says applies to fixed signs (though perhaps not necessarily restricted to sun) and/or those raised a certain (but not uncommon) way, rather than all people.

I've certainly seen what's "rare" to others here common enough. But then I would because I rarely have much in common with a woman obsessed with finding and then orbiting a man and therefore don't know many like that, nor is a man who can only see a woman as a sex object/potential wife going to get along with me (and if he doesn't give up on his own then I'll make him leave me alone). As a result I have very different observations from Doux who no doubt hangs around people with similar values as herself. And since I hang around people I can relate to more rather than the kind of people Doux does then I have different observations as a result. Not saying I'm in some majority, but we're not as rare as some people would make us out to be.

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posted December 06, 2014 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixiejane,
I mean no disrespect here but aren't you bi? I ask because it has been my experience that the LGBT community is generally an exception to the rule. Naturally a lesbian woman and a guy or a gay man and a woman can be friends because it's understood that sex/a relationship just ain't happening. But when a straight man and a straight woman are hanging out together there's a possibility that things will develop and usually one of the parties involved is hoping for that. Honestly I can't think of one single example of a straight guy and straight girl just being friends with no feelings involved by atleast one of the parties involved and i'm being 100% honest when I say that. And I don't just hang out with fixed people or people who are like minded. I hangout with a variety of people from all sorts of different backgrounds.

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posted December 07, 2014 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to say I'm 90% lesbian (80% when I was younger). But I have many straight friends. And yes, the LGBT does tend to be exceptions, but I know many outside of it as well.

From my background I was shunned by neighborhood girls when I was young and thus had to play with the boys. We generally got along fine and that taught me to get along with them later on as an adult. I understand many of those who are friends with those of the opposite gender were often raised with plenty of siblings of the opposite gender, and when I was on the farm (where I spent years of my childhood) I mixed with several relatives of both genders which would about equate with "having many brothers." When marriages happen in that town it doesn't end friendships with others of the opposite sex (granted, adultery isn't unknown...)

I mixed with people of all ages rather than my own age group and many older people are already married or otherwise just got sick of the entire dating scene. (You often talk about the women of your generation but I'm thinking they're like women of many generations, only the older generations eventually outgrew their silliness, and hopefully the newer ones will as well. Obviously, it doesn't always happen.)

Even of my own age, even among singles, I often hung around those who were interested in fringe topics rather than doing what they're told they're supposed to do and many were/are also fantasy/scifi fans which tend to portray gender and gender relations in a different light, and those raised by such learn to relate in other ways (and it applies to straight women as much as gay, likewise lesbians who focus on the media aimed at straight girls growing up tend to be more girly in behavior as well).

I'm well aware that if I go into most bars that I'm turning myself into a piece of steak in a meat market in which guys drool and women fume over me as a rival (even if I make it clear I'm not interested), which is one of the reasons I stopped going. I'm sure I'd face more of the same going to a football game, and even church (not sure about this, churches were big hookup sites--not DURING church of course, but often immediately before and after--in a very small town--blink while driving there and you might miss it--I spent time in but then given that's about the only place for people to congregate and meet it might have forced them to become the "singles bar" so to speak since no bars or clubs existed). But it was rare for me to feel like a steak in a goth bar (there most are more interested in your fashion and/or musical interests rather than how you otherwise look, I used to mix with them all the time--and btw, most aren't the sex freaks they're made out to be) or meeting like minded people who were more interested (even obsessed) in changing the world or some such and thus distracted from more carnal or romantic pursuits as well as having other ways in which to relate to each other.

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posted December 07, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmelieRose81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I have to agree with Doux on this one. IMO most male/female friendships are forced and unnatural. There's almost always "The hope" that the friendship will develop into something more boiling right below the surface in atleast one of the parties involved. Over time these repressed feelings lead to resentment and anger and usually end up destroying the friendship.

That's just wrong......

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posted December 07, 2014 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AmelieRose81:
That's just wrong......

That's just reality........

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posted December 08, 2014 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 08, 2014 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vajra,
I'm just going by my own experiences and observations. I just can't think of a single case of male/female friendships I've seen where there was zero drama and no deeper feelings. Take one of my good friend's wife... She is one of these women who supposedly only gets along with guys. Well my friend has caught her emotionally cheating twice and he has caught these male friends of her's sending flirty text messages and it was clear they had the hots for her. But she always defends it and says "we are just friends!". Another friend of mine had his relationship with his fiancé and best friend ripped apart because they were hanging out and were supposedly "just friends". Now his ex and former best friend are together and my friend has never gotten over all of that. These are just a few examples of male/female friendships gone bad that i've seen with my own eyes. Needless to say I'm always suspicious of such arrangements and I will never be in a relationship with a woman who feels she simply has to hang out with other men. The way I see it is if i'm with a woman and she wants to spend time with other men she clearly isn't happy with me and it's only a matter of time until she cheats on me. So what's the point of even being in a relationship with a woman like that? No offense but when I hear a woman say "all my friends are guys" I run the other way.

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posted December 08, 2014 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh....
I also have another example. I know another guy who was having an affair with a married woman. It was really disturbing because this guy hung out with the woman and her husband. How were they able to do this? Well... The woman had her husband convinced that this guy was gay and was "just a friend". So her husband wasn't suspicious at all when she was hanging out at another man's house. He trusted her story that they were "just friends" while she and her lover laughed behind his back. It was a really effed up situation and even though I never met the husband I always felt bad for him because he had no clue what was really going on behind his back.

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