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liawn2109
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posted September 17, 2015 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 17, 2015 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aubyanne
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posted September 17, 2015 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to LL, liawn2109.

I'm not a bit surprised that it's very confusing and up in the air. You barely know each other. No doubt you could find feelings coming and going, as new things are discovered about one another, 'getting to know' each other.

What prompted you to marry each other so suddenly?

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liawn2109
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posted September 18, 2015 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
What prompted you to marry each other so suddenly?

That's a fair question. The primary reason is that I always longed for marriage and I was able to find someone I considered ideal. It's true that we married very soon after knowing each other. I knew the risks then but decided that she was worth taking the risks. I really thought we are a perfect couple (then). We did our "due diligence": we spent 4-5 hours talking and texting each day when we first know each other, and thoroughly considered whether we are compatible or suitable. Truth is, we share many views on many thing, and our values are very similar.

Our main issue now is that we couldn't communicate very effectively£¬It is shocking considering how much time we actually spent on talking at first. We can talk for a long time on things don't matter and keep each other entertained. But when we talk about serious issues, the differences in our styles of thinking are so overwhelming that we couldn't discuss issues even peacefully. We both have a short fuse, and are emotional. Looking back, we communicated but our souls seldom channeled when we talk.

Another problem is that we did treat each other harshly (attitude-wise). I am a very critical person and tend to look at things on the negative side, and she is not considerate when she speaks. Maybe It's also because we got along too well together at first, and we thought we are soulmate and got too easily disappointed when any issues surface. We together as a couple, are not strong enough emotionally to face the difficulties in our relationship.

I think the Moon-Pluto composite in our composite chart is very symbolic of our issues, although there must be other signs in synastry or comparison chart too.

I'll post her chart and our relationship charts.

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posted September 18, 2015 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a case of highly compatible progressed synastry which differs drastically from the natal synastry.

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liawn2109
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posted September 18, 2015 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Sounds like a case of highly compatible progressed synastry which differs drastically from the natal synastry.

I don't know how to make progressed synastry chart and have no knowledge about it. I thought our natal synastry is mediocre but the beneficial aspects in composite chart drew us together.

I have edited the original post to include her chart and our synastry and composite charts.

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posted September 18, 2015 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by liawn2109:
I don't know how to make progressed synastry chart and have no knowledge about it. I thought our natal synastry is mediocre but the beneficial aspects in composite chart drew us together.

I have edited the original post to include her chart and our synastry and composite charts.


Except it was illusory. These are usually revealed in the progressed synastry.

You create progressed charts for the date in question; you'll notice in the upper left corner there's an actual date -- somewhere around your birthday, within a few years. Take that date and cast a natal. Do this for both (and just do your best to match the ASC within 0º30) and create a synastry.

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posted September 18, 2015 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm guessing it's the 0º trine between VENUS and MARS that you like in the composite. It SEEMS like a good thing -- being the 1R and 7R -- but unless there's enough to support it, I've found it highly combustible, so to speak.

The MOON (4R) opposite PLUTO (8R) shows the severity of psychological issues bubbling underneath, which had to've been sorted out ahead of time for 'MOON' not to become resentful of 'PLUTO'.

I'm wagering it was progressions -- natal and synastric aspects -- which pushed you guys into this. Likely karmic. Did your marriage resolve anything? And, curiously, did it ever turn violent?

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posted September 18, 2015 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm guessing it's the 0� trine between VENUS and MARS that you like in the composite. It SEEMS like a good thing -- being the 1R and 7R -- but unless there's enough to support it, I've found it highly combustible, so to speak.

The MOON (4R) opposite PLUTO (8R) shows the severity of psychological issues bubbling underneath, which had to've been sorted out ahead of time for 'MOON' not to become resentful of 'PLUTO'.

I'm wagering it was progressions -- natal and synastric aspects -- which pushed you guys into this. Likely karmic. Did your marriage resolve anything? And, curiously, did it ever turn violent?


Hmm, what do you mean by 4R 8R, etc? In the composite chart I made, the venus-mars tri happens in 7-11 houses, and the moon-pluto opposition happens in 1-7 houses. I forgot to mention that my birth time shown on the natal chart is a daylight saving time (the software recognizes it and the charts i posted were correct).

On progressed synastry chart: 1) should i look at secondary progression chart (1 degree per year) or the other progression chart (1 degree per month)?

2) on the progression synastry i made, all the planets' positions are the same as the normal progression chart, but the ASC point for both persons are off by about 20-30 degree. Is it a big deal? (My software doesn't give out the new time for the progression chart, so i ending up making the progressed chart by matching the planets' locations. But when all the planets locations are matched, the ASC was off.)

http://imgur.com/GJrOYpk
On our progressed synastry for right now, my Venus cons her Pluto (I still have feelings), my Sun squares her Saturn and Mercury (she gives me a hard time; I don't understand her) and my own Neptune (delusional and directionless?); there's my Mars sextile her Moon (I'm able to provide some emotional support for her?)

http://imgur.com/UCa6eoa
On our progressed synastry for when we married, my sun squares her Uranus and Mercury (misunderstanding; Uranus indicates aroused interests in her?) and squares my own Neptune (delusional, a wrong time to make important decisions); also our axes are laying on top of each other (not sure if the axes are accurate though).

Am I reading them right? Can we know about future developments from these charts?

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liawn2109
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posted September 18, 2015 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically all the signals from the progressed synastry charts that indicate romantic feelings are one way - I towards her (Venus-con-Pluto). From Sun-square-Uranus (when we met) to Sun-square-Saturn (now), my feelings changed from being excited to being suppressed. The fact that none of her inner planets are activated suggests that she never developed strong feelings for me, or that her soul wasn't impacted by my presence. The sad part is, the Neptune-square-Sun and Jupiter-tri-Venus in my progressed chart have been providing amber ammunition for my one-direction love towards her. I probably love her blindly.

Did I overlook or misinterpret anything here?

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Aubyanne
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posted September 18, 2015 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry -- that's my shorthand. 4R - 4H ruler. So, while they're across the ASC/DSC (in 1H and 7H) they're ruling the 4H and 8H -- which I find much more influential and indicative.

NEPTUNE is rough. I always warn to be particularly careful of squares in synastry, and accept that any transits which may be affecting one's natal (in these areas) is blocking the whole picture from being viewed.

If you don't mind me asking, what is it you love about her? Why do you think you're continuing to love someone who no longer loves you and is, instead, in love with another man?

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liawn2109
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posted September 18, 2015 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Sorry -- that's my shorthand. 4R - 4H ruler. So, while they're across the ASC/DSC (in 1H and 7H) they're ruling the 4H and 8H -- which I find much more influential and indicative.

NEPTUNE is rough. I always warn to be particularly careful of squares in synastry, and accept that any transits which may be affecting one's natal (in these areas) is blocking the whole picture from being viewed.

If you don't mind me asking, what is it you love about her? Why do you think you're continuing to love someone who no longer loves you and is, instead, in love with another man?


I don't mind at all. My sole purpose right now is to understand this relationship and myself better so my future relationship(s) won't fail this badly.

I have to admit I always put potential partners' physical appearance on the top of the list. I know it's not a smart idea, but I might be born this way. With that said, I really care about whether two persons fit together and their compatibility. It is my primary drive when I first got interested in astrology. Looking back, I probably was too optimistic and overlooked the real differences (and maybe lack of mutual affection) between us. Well I got Neptune in my progressed chart, so...

I don't know what I think right now. I feel like I have so much energy to devote to her. Although I am heartbroken, somehow I feel that I could wait (another stupid idea). Prior to reading the progressed synastry charts, I was thinking maybe she was distracted and needed to go off track for a while but would eventually, and soon, come back. The reality, I guess, is that even if she ever does, it's probably not because she loves me that much, but for practical reasons (e.g. I can be a better husband, or I can afford a better lifestyle in the future etc). (I personally think the very wishful thinking is also fueled by Jupiter-tri-venus in progression).

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liawn2109
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posted September 18, 2015 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW to answer your earlier question: we never turned violent physically, but pretty violent vocally for quite some times. For the majority of the time, we had to maintain a long-distance relationship. Also I was never physically violent with anyone. I think if I had ever lifted my arm, we would have a pretty good fight.

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posted September 25, 2015 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
liawn2109, just looking very quickly at your chart, I see that you could actually get married again within the next year. Providing you are legally divorced from this current marriage.

You are currently going through a Saturn return so you are learning valuable lessons. Pay attention to what Saturn is trying to tell you.

You tend to be drawn to younger often immature women (mercury on the descendant), so you need to make sure you will be making better choices from now on. Communication is of the utmost importance in a marriage for you. Make sure it's there, and not just empty talk.

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posted September 29, 2015 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liawn2109     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
... I see that you could actually get married again within the next year...

You tend to be drawn to younger often immature women (mercury on the descendant), so you need to make sure you will be making better choices from now on. Communication is of the utmost importance in a marriage for you. Make sure it's there, and not just empty talk.


Thank you! Could you speak more about what types of women I should try to avoid, versus what would be a good fit to me, please?

I agree, communication is very important to me in relationships. Also the Sun being the 7th house lord and being in the 7th house may be the reason why I'm attracted to confident and energetic women. What would the Saturn-Sun square mean? How to mitigate the bad effects of Saturn-Sun square?

Many thanks!

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