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Topic: A Tarot Question
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Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted December 17, 2008 12:49 PM
Hi guys, I have a question... Is it possible to use Tarot to gauge how someone perceives you? Not to check if they have feelings for you, but how they see you in archetypal way, if that makes sense (the high priestess, the hermit, etc)? I am asking this because I know absolutely nothing about Tarot and have zero skill as a reader... Also, if someone would like to take a stab at the question, that would be cool... I it helps, when I pulled a card regarding the issue, I drew the Hierophant. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted December 18, 2008 05:40 PM
You can definitely use the tarot to see one 'views' you, as well as what their feelings are. I like to draw about 2 cards for an answer, to have a more detailed response. The heirophant being pulled about how someone feels might mean the person has a lot of respect for you and perhaps feels they have something to learn from you. It can also mean that they think you're uptight, and that you're somehow 'off-limits' to them. That's why I pull 2-3 cards when I ask, for clarification. Don't worry about knowing how to read though...I find some people really powerful with the tarot when they don't know because they haven't set the meanings in stone...they just flow with it. IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted December 18, 2008 07:04 PM
Thanks for your feedback. The thing is, that card confused me because I was worried that the person in question sees me as a "wanton woman" : ) some oversexed, lascivious, maybe even promiscuous girl...even though the respect and guidance aspect of it are all there, I think (based on the correspondence we've had). the off limits thing is spot on, by the way. thanks! IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted December 18, 2008 07:35 PM
i pulled 10 of wands and 8 of cups, hmmmIP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted December 19, 2008 04:06 AM
OOOh interesting It's possible then that this person feels a tad self-righteous in regards to you as well. Are those other two cards in addition to the Heirophant? In combo they would mean they are burdened with their own feelings about you (10 of wands) and afraid you will lose interest quickly (8 of cups ...and this is if this is an intimate/romantic involvement) and not find much in interest in them. It's also possible that they feel they have to measure up in some way and do not know if they should just give up. Whatever it is though, the person you are looking into has some self-esteem issues and may even regard you with a level of awe, but not know how to reconcile it because they are feeling self-righteous on some level and even unconsciously judgmental (and probably hating themselves for it...I've found the Heirophant has a love/hate thing going on with himself and others. He's almost like Saturn, even though he's ruled by Taurus in the tarot, so he does tend to be a bit insecure, but secretly protective and admiring). Here's a good spread I came up with, which might help: First think clearly of your question in regards to the person and focus on it. Then: - Draw 2-3 cards for what the person thinks/feels -Draw 2-3 cards for yourself and what the person is making you feel/think -Draw 3-4 cards for the obstacles -Draw 3-4 cards for the near future to see what upcoming trends are there to deal with. I usually use this spread to get a more whole-istic feel for the relationship IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 27152 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted December 20, 2008 12:44 PM
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Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted December 26, 2008 09:43 AM
Thanks so much for your feedback. I did as you suggested, and things are getting kind of muddy. I will post the spread here, in case you are interested: Draw 2-3 cards for what the person thinks/feels 1. knight of wands A lover of action, this is the card of someone who has a well-liked, energetic, confident, but sometimes unpredictable nature. He has an engaging temperament and his actions sometimes a little swift do tend to make sense with hindsight. 2. page of cups A symbol of Imagination. May indicate a time for quiet reflection. Depending upon surrounding cards: a messenger bringing news of an engagement, marriage or birth. A reflective, poetic, quiet and artistic person, gentle and kind. A person with a wealth of knowledge, giving freely his advice. A person gifted with much foresight. 3. the fool
Beginnings, most probably of journeys which may be possibly mental, physical or spiritual. The beginning of a new life-cycle. Energy, force, happiness and optimism. The overturning of the status quo or existing states by unexpected happenings. Innocence, naivety, and spontaneity. Important decisions to be made. -Draw 2-3 cards for yourself and what the person is making you feel/think 1. death he beginning of a new life. As a result of underlying circumstances transformation and change. Major changes. The end of a phase in life which has served its purpose. Abrupt and complete change of circumstances, way of life and patterns of behaviour due to past events and actions. Alterations. 2. devil
Money matters. Feeling the burden of the material side of life. Desire for physical and material things. Feeling of frustration and oppression. A tendency to collect and hoard money and material objects. Lust. Sexual obsession. The querent's knowledge of his or her own needs, wants and desires. Security versus creative or spiritual fulfillment. -Draw 3-4 cards for the obstacles
1. 7 of swords 9rev Counsel and specific advice. Reluctance to carry through daring actions when necessary, failure of nerve and indecision. Surrender when victory is almost in sight. Inability and reluctance to complete what has been started. 2. high priestess rev
Lack of personal harmony and problems resulting from a lack of foresight. Suppression of the feminine or intuitive side of the personality. Facile and surface knowledge. repression and ignorance of true facts and feelings. In women, an inability to come to terms with other women or themselves. Things and circumstances are not what they seem. 3. death rev
Change that is both painful and unpleasant. A refusal to face the fear of change or change itself. Agonising periods of transition. Inertia. Lethargy. Mental, physical or emotional exhaustion. 4. 2 of cups
Affection, love, the beginnings of a new romance, partnership or friendship. Emotional affinity, sympathy, joyous harmony, the reconciliation of opposites in mutual trust. Resolved differences. -Draw 3-4 cards for the near future to see what upcoming trends are there to deal with.
1. the emperor Competitiveness, forcefulness in development and execution. Authority, structure, governmental and corporate identities. Worldly power, self control gained through experience. Ability to shoulder responsibility. Powerful individuals, ambition together with the possibility of long term achievement. 2. 10 of cups rev The manipulation of society for personal gain. Loss of friendship. Family quarrels, Sudden violent disruption of an ordered environment and ordered routine, anti-social actions. Look for signs of new adolescents or new births. 3. 10 of pentacles rev The negative effects of vast wealth and the restrictive effects of long tradition. Family arguments about money, or the breaking up of an estate after a death. Card may also indicate burglary. 4. 2 of cups rev Separation, dissent, divorce, deceit or unfaithfulness in a personal relationship. Misunderstandings and quarrels, love not returned.
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Chryseis Knowflake Posts: 147 From: Australia Registered: Dec 2008
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posted December 29, 2008 05:37 AM
Hi Meduza,I'll give it a whirl... Um he'd pursue the situation but thinks he'd be wasting his time You are buzzing with the idea of a hot physical liaison Obstacles: He won't pick up on cues unless you basically throw yourself at him -you'd have to spell it out to him, and he'd still be saying "So, I this...and you will that...no, let me get this straight, you want to bla bla blah...and then where do i come into the picture...?"
Near future, like you are entrenched in some kind of family structure - everyone has a position of honour in the family photo...you will start by, casually tossing around the idea, jokingly, about what would everyone think if you got yourself a lover, haha(and everyone is supposed to giggle along), trouble is you're half serious and are feeling everyone out for a response...I don't think that is such a good way of going about things somehow. IP: Logged |
afflictedvenus Knowflake Posts: 88 From: england Registered: Dec 2008
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posted December 29, 2008 05:42 AM
I get a feeling commitment is the underlying issue with this and he's thinking he wants fun and friendhip,there is potential here but you need to be able to do something about it and it could be he's not settled enough to give it what he feels it needs?
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Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted December 29, 2008 10:35 AM
Thanks for your feedback guys. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted December 30, 2008 04:53 PM
Chryseis, I like how you read Meduza, sorry I haven't checked back here! I can give you my take on these, but it's just one perspective I don't read reversed cards, I just read them straight and see what stands out to me the most. 1. The other's thoughts/feelings in regards to you: Wants intimacy, wants to take action and chance. But this person is also unsure of how to handle depth of emotion, and may sometimes come off as lacking in desire for commitment because they're all over the place emotionally in how they interact with you. 2. How you think/feel about the other: It feels like you're in a process of re-evaluating your own feelings in regards to the situation, but it looks like it was on your mind a lot. There's a definite feeling of attraction, and it may be consuming. This person brings out incredibly strong feelings and impulses in you by the looks of it. 3. Obstacles: A new way of communicating is needed. There looks like there's been a lot of vagueness in how you two interact, and some mixed messages which have caused frustration - on your side especially. My feeling is that it's the other person not being forthcoming, and being too elusive because they haven't trusted themselves in the past. A new way of relating is needed. But there's a definite bond and connection here, which transcends words. 4. Changes for sure, but it's looking like you two need to loosen up in regards to each other. The Emperor speaks of almost a weird formality and stiffness in interaction - this is part of the new beginning. Things look like they're becoming more solidified over the next 2-3 months, as the relationship takes coherent form, but at first it feels a little awkward. Just try and loosen up and go with it. No need to set things in stone - it looks like things are going to be falling into place in a more solid way regardless of what either of you do to try and cement the relationship. Well, I hope some of that makes sense. I don't know if it works for you or resonates at all, but I hope it does
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Chryseis Knowflake Posts: 147 From: Australia Registered: Dec 2008
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posted December 31, 2008 07:32 AM
Hey thanks MVM,I enjoyed your read too IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted December 31, 2008 11:10 AM
Thank you so much. All suggestions are spot on. The situation is very delicate... IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 705 From: Registered: Feb 2007
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posted January 20, 2009 09:45 AM
Wow, what a great spread, MyVirgoMask! Also really thoughtful and seemingly accurate interpretations from everyone.Tried it for myself. What he's thinking/feeling about me: Ten of Cups, The Magician What he's making me think/feel: Queen of Swords, The Heirophant Obstacles: Death, Justice, Four of Swords Future trends: Page of Swords, The Chariot, Ace of Pentacles I have some ideas of interpretation for myself, but if you have any unbiased interpretations, that would be great! IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted January 27, 2009 06:13 AM
Thanks, Lucia! I'll tell you what I get at first glance from the cards you pulled (hope it's not too late!) :How you're making him feel: I feel he's hooked on you somehow and has a desire to work to keep you in his life in some way. I don't think he's beyond using manipulation LOL. But it's not necessarily negative. I would've preferred another card to explain the situation, so I pulled out a couple more, and got the Wheel and the Page of Cups. I feel he truly cares, but I also get the impression he is in some kind of hurry? Don't know how much sense that makes. Some part of me feels he is pressuring you for something. If not, there's some real urgency to his feelings....and he may very well be holding back, because the Magician does indicate an at times flawless ability to manipulate even emotions with ease, for better or worse (I don't think he's a bad guy though - just very very focused on what he wants LOL) How he makes you feel: I get the sense there's a mixed bag to your feelings, and some of them are contradictory. On the one hand, you're trying to be objective and reasonable - on the other, there's a big intensity. But there's also possibly a level of obligation somehow too. Like you might need to teach him something. You're a bit hesitant, and I think some part of you doesn't trust your own feelings completely at times, because of your intense nature, so you might have a tendency of pulling back to really get a clear perspective. Sometimes you overdo it, though, when you feel more depth with someone, and maybe it comes off as suspicion. Obstacles: Some change is needed, and there's some kind of re-evaluation going on here. Things need to feel more balanced, but they also might be in a state of suspense. Some emotional isolation, which is good for re-evaluation, but might also feel alienating at times (could go both ways). A sense of being 'stuck' in a way...pacing kind of feels like a problem. Future trends: Looks positive. Communications increase and feel more focused, there's a desire to move forward, and there are solid results which come about. There's also a level of honesty to put some worries to rest. Some genuine progress. Hope that makes sense!! IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 705 From: Registered: Feb 2007
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posted January 27, 2009 01:12 PM
Wow, MyVirgoMask...it's like you're inside my life and the situation!!! Funny, I'm a good tarot reader for other people, but with those same cards I didn't come up with anything even vaguely near your level of accuracy, reading for myself. Thank you for sharing your gift.I'm glad the future trends look positive. I'm definitely in the "pulling back" phase right now. I get so over-intense about my feelings and so afraid of getting hurt that I start to feel desperate, and I pull back to protect myself from hurt. And I've been hurt a lot lately. And I was all upset about it, but now I'm starting to feel glad I've had some experiences of not getting exactly what I wanted. My goal is to become more courageous, enjoying life and being "out there" even when there's a risk of rejection. Your assessment of his type is sooo accurate. Re: the "in a hurry" part, he's always in a hurry...it's that Sadge moon maybe...he just leads this Big, Dramatic life and he wants things Now. (Edited to add: as a Leo Sun, I love and admire that about him.) I do hope I/we become unstuck soon. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've noticed your other readings seem uncannily accurate too. Can you read accurately (or at least usefully) for yourself? IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted January 28, 2009 05:15 AM
Lucia, I'm so glad it's accurate! Yay!!! Sounds like you've got your hands full...but I'll bet either way he keeps things interesting He looks like very much knows what he wants LOLAnd oh, jeeez, nooo....I can't read for myself at ALL lol!!! Every time I try, it's like it doesn't work or something. I'm seriously considering getting a separate deck for my *own* reads for myself, I hear some readers do that, but I dunno. My readings for myself are never accurate because most of the time I lay the cards out and just think, HUH?? Next thing you know I'm going online to research the meanings LOL Over-analyzing (wow, how unusual for a Virgo ) IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 02:05 PM
Yes, I think all this feedback is very useful...I am going to do another spread soon because there has been some communication and possible confusion. I am really interested to see how he sees me now after I have shared some things. IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 02:12 PM
ok, so i used facade.com because i do not have a deck. the question was how he perceives me now: 1. 2 of wands rev 2. justice card IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 06:10 PM
I would say that means he's trying to reconnect but is uncertain as to how to do so, so he's trying to detach his feelings somewhat and also trying to re-evaluate the situation too in the process.It's a new beginning, in a way. IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 06:35 PM
virgomask, you are so spot on, i think : ) if only i could read the tarot like you can... i thought the first card was an indication that he sees me weak or something... IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 06:40 PM
Thanks I still struggle with the meanings too though...Why would you see the 2 of wands as weak? Because it's reversed maybe? I feel 2's are about finding balance and coming together, and the two of wands generally means solidifying friendship/relationship...combining energies. Adding Justice means he's trying to temper his eagerness and trying to be objective about the whole thing to not leave too much to chance. So there's a bit of caution, I think....which means that he is emotionally involved and trying to get his own feelings to not interfere. Sometimes it's the cards which don't come up that give clues to what's really going on behind the scenes. IP: Logged |
Meduza Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: Feb 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 07:21 PM
omg, spot on...yeah, because it was reversed and my particular question was "how he perceives me"... also, i am very new to the tarot, so my assessment is often wack. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2250 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted February 02, 2009 07:41 PM
Every time I use reversals I get very confused. So I just decided to ignore them and add another card to the first for clarification. I think it works, but some people do use reversals and find them very helpful. You'll find a system that works for you eventually IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 705 From: Registered: Feb 2007
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posted February 03, 2009 03:01 PM
I ignore reversals, too! I find that they convey a kind of muddled energy, and I'm always struggling to make the cards clearer.IP: Logged | |