posted March 26, 2011 05:55 PM            

Here's the composite (his time of birth unknown):
Sun Sextile Moon orb 0° 39'
Sun conjunct Venus orb 4° 21'
Sun sextile Jupiter orb 1° 20
Sun opposition Saturn orb 6° 43'
Moon sextile Venus orb 5° 1
Moon conjunct Jupiter orb 0° 4
Moon trine Saturn orb 7° 22
Moon square to Neptune orb 0° 57'
Mercury opposition Pluto orb 7° 41'
Venus opposition Saturn orb 2° 21'
Mars sextile Uranus orb 2° 12'
Jupiter square Neptune orb 1° 39'
Neptune sextile Pluto orb 0° 48'
Chiron conjunct Venus orb 7° 41'
Chiron trine Mars orb 2° 55'

So what do you guys thinks? I've heard that the composite is what matters in the longterm. Is that really true? Is the synastry only important in the beginning? Or does the synastry still retain importance later on?

I love the look and feel of the composite. From what I can see there's a lot of positive connections between the personal planets. And it looks like both of us better qualities (my luck, his energy and social skills) rub on the other in a positive way.

I was wondering if anyone has had the Chiron conjunct venus aspect in a composite before? I couldn't really find a lot of info about it. But I guess its not a very tight orb, so perhaps it won't be that important.

I once read that with Venus opposition saturn, at first there can be a barrier to affection or a limitation but once these people start dating, the relationship is very stable and longstanding. There definitively was a barrier for the last few months, so I'm hoping the last part is also true about us.

Also, can anyone ever remember having the transit venus trine pluto. In the next couple of weeks we both have it at the same time (as well as other strong romantic transits). I'm hoping he decides to make a move or makes a move. What do you guys think?

posted March 28, 2011 07:31 PM            

Composite

I know my time of birth but not his.

My Natal

My time of bith is known.

His Natal

His time of bith is unknown.

posted March 30, 2011 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
also judging from the synastry aspects you listed a see a lot of arguments taking a place and using love to manipulate the other person. Especially at such tight orbs.

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Yeahh this something I've definitely wondered about. Because we've known each other for a while without dating, I feel like I've learned a lot about him. If we'd just jumped into dating months ago, there are a couple of things about him that could have made me really jealous and brought out my manipulate side. But because we didn't date, and I kind of got to learn about him, I've realized that these things don't really matter, so if we dated now, I wouldn't feel insecure on that level, so I think my manipulative side has a smaller change of coming out now. At least on my end I think the manipulative aspects have been curbed. At least that's my gut feeling. And right now, our interactions are really sweet, warm and fuzzy. And things weren't always like this before. There was a big roadblock before. More and more over time we're acting like adorable boyfriend/girlfriend. To me anyways, it feels like we're getting away from synastry mars-pluto and more into composite sun conjunct venus and moon sextile sun.

For reasons like this, I'm really interested in learning about how the synastry vs the composite counts. Obviously I don't know what the house placement of the composite is, but I really like the look and feel of it (good-equal relationship, unconditional love, intuitive emotional link, success when working together, financial success and fertility aspects). And I may be really off, but I figure if we're in a relationship and I start treating him like the composite says we do, he'll figure it out and follow.

posted April 03, 2011 06:39 AM            

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To me anyways, it feels like we're getting away from synastry mars-pluto and more into composite sun conjunct venus and moon sextile sun.

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Again, the moon and it's aspects are invalid unless you know time of birth.

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Originally posted by Cecile:
For reasons like this, I'm really interested in learning about how the synastry vs the composite counts. Obviously I don't know what the house placement of the composite is, but I really like the look and feel of it (good-equal relationship, unconditional love, intuitive emotional link, success when working together, financial success and fertility aspects). And I may be really off, but I figure if we're in a relationship and I start treating him like the composite says we do, he'll figure it out and follow.

And thankyou littlecloud.

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Unconditional love is Neptune.
Synastry is how two people relate to each-other. Composite is how others see the relationship. Composite usually doesn't play out until about a month in the relationship (from what I've read) and is INVALID without a birth time. If you want a more accurate look at it, you need a birth time. I'm sorry that I sound really b*tchy right now, but that's just the way it is.

posted April 10, 2011 10:42 PM            

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Unconditional love is Neptune.
Synastry is how two people relate to each-other. Composite is how others see the relationship. Composite usually doesn't play out until about a month in the relationship (from what I've read) and is INVALID without a birth time. If you want a more accurate look at it, you need a birth time. I'm sorry that I sound really b*tchy right now, but that's just the way it is.

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I totally accept your point about the moon aspects in the composite.

I've looked into this issue in detail, because its really important to me right now. And there seems to be a debate over whether the composite is the how other people see the relationship and the final outcome of the relationship. I've never heard anything about how the composite kicks in an about a month or so.

Anyways, for me at least, the composite seems to describe my close relationships with friends and enemies alike (even when I don't have the birth time).

At least a couple of sources say Sun conjunct venus denotes pure, unconditional love
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/CosmiTecs_Love_L etter-love-letter-070.html

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The Sun-Venus conjunction in a Composite chart brings adoring love and is considered one of the best aspects to have. This conjunction denotes pure forgiving and unconditional love without judgements. However, it does not necessarily result in marriage nor does it indicate a life-long lasting bond. It just brings adoring love with or without all it's tragedies

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Unconditional love is Neptune.
Synastry is how two people relate to each-other. Composite is how others see the relationship. Composite usually doesn't play out until about a month in the relationship (from what I've read) and is INVALID without a birth time. If you want a more accurate look at it, you need a birth time. I'm sorry that I sound really b*tchy right now, but that's just the way it is.

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I totally accept your point about the moon aspects in the composite.

I've looked into this issue in detail, because its really important to me right now. And there seems to be a debate over whether the composite is the how other people the relationship and the final outcome of the relationship. I've never heard anything about how the composite kicks in an about a month or so.

Anyways, for me at least, the composite seems to describe my close relationships with friends and enemies alike.

At least a couple of sources say Sun conjunct venus denotes pure, unconditional love or love.
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/CosmiTecs_Love_L etter-love-letter-070.html

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The Sun-Venus conjunction in a Composite chart brings adoring love and is considered one of the best aspects to have. This conjunction denotes pure forgiving and unconditional love without judgements. However, it does not necessarily result in marriage nor does it indicate a life-long lasting bond. It just brings adoring love with or without all it's tragedies

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Multiple sources

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Sun Conjunct Venus
The conjunction of Sun and Venus in the composite chart is one of the strongest indications of a love relationship between two people, even in a friendship. It does not primarily indicate a sexual relationship; instead it signifies love, pure and simple. The attraction indicated by this aspect is so powerful that it can bring together people who are incompatible by ordinary criteria.

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This aspect signifies that you just plainly love each other. The attraction is so strong between you that even though you may be incompatible by other standards, you still feel like being with your partner because of that love you feel for them. It's not that they won't occasionally drive you nuts - they will. It's just that the bottom line is that there is real love between you and there is no stronger emotion in the universe.

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posted April 11, 2011 07:52 AM            

But hey if you're really feeling that this guy is right for you than go for it. Love can transcend any aspect and astrology altogether. I don't see any really abusive aspects in his chart, so is should be ok. His venus/pluto opposition is the only thing I'd be wary about. Mars conjunct Neptune will need to feel enraptured by you. Allow him the freedom to come to you and show you how he feels. If you close in on him, put pressure on him to tell you that you're the ONE he'll pull away. He may smother his anger often so the best way to deal with this is give him some space to get rid of it via some physical activity or writing... Mercury square Uranus, argumentative..his words can turn someone into chop suey.

Your Saturns are in conjunction by 6 degrees...This I'd also be wary of. It's not bad per say, very karmic for sure but you two need to learn the art of compromise. Be happy they're not square. You have a great capacity to love but you really need to watch out for your influence on others. That Mars square Pluto aspect makes me think of an all or nothing attitude. You also have a tendency of telling tall tales. Or at least exaggerating things which in the end means that you tend to lie. Moon square Neptune makes you psychic just please use this positively. You have a lot of inner conflict I think that you can work through some of this through studying and a search for higher truth. Also possibly with thing related to the home, your roots, and children.

posted April 11, 2011 03:11 PM            

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I'd love that! Thank you so much I've found your posts very insightful and you've definitely given me a lot to think about. I absolutely feel like there's something and I really want to give this a shot and figure things out with him. So I'd be really happy if you could continue with your pointers. It is much appreciated.

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Just speaking from experience. Neptune is the one with no boundaries that is more romantic. Rose-colored glasses and all that...

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For sure.

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I don't see any really abusive aspects in his chart, so is should be ok.

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Great!

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His venus/pluto opposition is the only thing I'd be wary about.

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Is there anything in particular, I should be concerned about with this aspect? Especially since I have venus trine pluto myself.

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Mars conjunct Neptune will need to feel enraptured by you.

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Do you mean on a physical level? I'm pretty sure he does. There's a really strong physical connection between the two of us, especially him to me...

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Allow him the freedom to come to you and show you how he feels. If you close in on him, put pressure on him to tell you that you're the ONE he'll pull away.

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Basically are you saying that I should let him make the move? That's pretty much what I've had in mind for a while. He ended up telling one of my girlfriends at a party that when we met he didn't want a relationship. At the time, it seemed like he was rethinking that position. So I figured it would be best for him to come around. For me not to pressure him into something he doesn't want, or give him an ultimatum. And just let him come to me when he's ready. Hand in hand, I kind of realize that I shouldn't try to force him into any kind of commitment.

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He may smother his anger often so the best way to deal with this is give him some space to get rid of it via some physical activity or writing...

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Then its good that he goes to the gym almost everyday and plays sports.

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Your Saturns are in conjunction by 6 degrees...This I'd also be wary of. It's not bad per say, very karmic for sure but you two need to learn the art of compromise.

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That makes sense. There's just something about this that feels so fated. There's a lot that stands in between us and yet fate keeps pushing us together and sparks of some kind keep flying. So I guess whatever we have between us isn't going to go away. We're in a school together in a smallish program for the next three years.

Honestly, we're really different, so compromise being the key makes a lot of sense.

What do you mean by karmic? Does that mean that we have some lessons we need to teach each other? A debt from a past life that needs to be repaid? Does this mean that we're dealing with a very long lasting relationship?

Did you look at the synastry to see a saturn conjunction? And can you tell whether this is good karma or bad karma?

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That Mars square Pluto aspect makes me think of an all or nothing attitude. You also have a tendency of telling tall tales. Or at least exaggerating things which in the end means that you tend to lie.

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At times, both can be true.

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You have a lot of inner conflict I think that you can work through some of this through studying and a search for higher truth.

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The first part is absolutely true and I hope the second is as well.

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Moon square Neptune makes you psychic just please use this positively.

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That's interesting. And I'll keep your advice in mind.

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Also possibly with thing related to the home, your roots, and children.

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What do you mean here? I'm really curious about this.

posted April 13, 2011 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Just speaking from experience. Neptune is the one with no boundaries that is more romantic. Rose-colored glasses and all that...

But hey if you're really feeling that this guy is right for you than go for it. Love can transcend any aspect and astrology altogether. I don't see any really abusive aspects in his chart, so is should be ok. His venus/pluto opposition is the only thing I'd be wary about. Mars conjunct Neptune will need to feel enraptured by you. Allow him the freedom to come to you and show you how he feels. If you close in on him, put pressure on him to tell you that you're the ONE he'll pull away. He may smother his anger often so the best way to deal with this is give him some space to get rid of it via some physical activity or writing... Mercury square Uranus, argumentative..his words can turn someone into chop suey.

Your Saturns are in conjunction by 6 degrees...This I'd also be wary of. It's not bad per say, very karmic for sure but you two need to learn the art of compromise. Be happy they're not square. You have a great capacity to love but you really need to watch out for your influence on others. That Mars square Pluto aspect makes me think of an all or nothing attitude. You also have a tendency of telling tall tales. Or at least exaggerating things which in the end means that you tend to lie. Moon square Neptune makes you psychic just please use this positively. You have a lot of inner conflict I think that you can work through some of this through studying and a search for higher truth. Also possibly with thing related to the home, your roots, and children.

I'll come back with some more if you want...

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posted April 18, 2011 05:28 PM            

Venus/pluto opposition generally means that the emotions of love and hate are mixed and one. Hating someone because you love them. It's very intense. It's a bit difficult to explain but I suppose the simplest way is hating someone for making you love them so deeply for this creates a dependency and need for the other person. With your venus trine pluto it's more of an ability to completely and utterly love a person with all your being. When you love them, you love them to your very core. It has the intensity of the opposition without the harshness. Meaning there is no blur between love and hate. It's love in it's purest form. There is no hate. The trine makes the concept of hate mixed with love a bit incomprehensible because it doesn't understand how love could produce such a negative emotion. I have read that the opposition can make a person manipulative in love...like using love as a way to make their partner do something.

You both feel love differently so it's important but the synastry aspect is also important. Ok if I see correctly, your venus trines his pluto and his venus squares your pluto, which means that you'll display these feelings in your relationship. He probably gives you more of an edge in by squaring your pluto and you probably calm down some of that crazy energy for him.. You might find yourselves reversing roles, you playing out the opposition and he playing out the trine. Since these aspects are there nataly you understand them better whereas a couple with hard venus/pluto only while they both have the easy venus/pluto will deal with the hard aspect with more difficulty.

About him feeling enraptured by you, yes physically and in a mystical sense at the same time. Neptune really like fantasies so you must be a fantasy to him for his interest to be sustained. This aspect makes a person very magnetic so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a wide range of friends and/or is generally liked when one first meets him. About letting him make the move; Neptune likes fantasy. In this case it has to do with the physical and sex. Neptune gets a bit thrown off when things get too Saturn ie too serious with structures and boundaries. Neptune likes to float wherever possible and being 'contained' creates depression. So far in regards to this aspect I see you're responding favorably.

As for anger...think of mars/neptune a bit like mars in pisces. Their reaction time is a bit delayed. There's a tendency to want avoid unpleasant feelings. Neptune wants everything to be nice all the time and Mars wants to deal with the situation NOW!!! So you can see how if/when he gets angry he may seethe for a couple of days bc of withholding his immediate reaction. They're both in Cap so his initial reaction might be fairly cold. And yes his working out and playing sports a lot is a great way to release this energy. It's the most productive, rewarding and healthy way to release it. I have mars square neptune and when I get angry I usually need to break things. After punching doors, walls, windows, faces, breaking phones I'm trying to release it physically by running and any other kind of sport...usually contact or like something more x-treme like skate boarding bc of that risk of injury that is still involved. For some reason those work better.

Karmic always means lessons to teach each other. With hard venus/pluto yes, debt to be repaid but also with easy venus/pluto reaping the rewards of good karma. It's difficult to say whether karma is good or bad. It just is. Lessons must be learned and in the end it's up to us if we learn them and our actions that will judge how much of negative influences have been cleared. Surely karma has both positive and negative experience but again many times it's what you make of it.

Your moon is in the 4 house but using equal it looks like it could be in the 5th house and doing something in relation to children, or in relation to your 'home' ie roots as in traditional dance or cooking depending on your country of origin, creating a place that feels like home, that feels like someplace you belong...these things will help heal you.

posted April 19, 2011 12:53 PM            

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About him feeling enraptured by you, yes physically and in a mystical sense at the same time. Neptune really like fantasies so you must be a fantasy to him for his interest to be sustained.

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I'll keep that in mind And I've been taking the opportunity to dress in a way that catches his eye as much as possible. Thank you. At least I think I have a leg up with this in terms of the synastry. But yeah this is really helpful for a possible relationship.

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This aspect makes a person very magnetic so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a wide range of friends and/or is generally liked when one first meets him.

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That's him. But thank you so much for pointing out this aspect to me. It's given me a number of things to keep in mind about him.

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Neptune gets a bit thrown off when things get too Saturn ie too serious with structures and boundaries.

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Good to know.

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So you can see how if/when he gets angry he may seethe for a couple of days bc of withholding his immediate reaction. They're both in Cap so his initial reaction might be fairly cold.

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This is gold! This is exactly what's going on now. I was a little confused by his cold reaction over the weekend. I can see why he'd be ticked off. Right now I'm between a rock and a hard place and there's little I can do to change things.

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I feel a dark energy either from him or from you, I can't tell which. All I feel really is that you have both been hurt in the past and have not quite gotten past this. I feel that more with you. I feel a lot of caution and hopefulness here, on this thread, which means that it most likely is coming from you. Follow your gut and take time with yourself. Allow yourself to love you. As cliche as it sounds.

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Thank you so much. To tell you the truth, you've given me a lot of hope. I can see how that can be hard for you to believe. Right now I'm coming from a very bad place. I'm in my early-mid twenties, and I've never had a real relationship. This is the first time I've ever really had romantic feelings about anyone.

Up until now, I've devoted myself to getting into this program. In my own mind, there were major concerns about whether I was right for the profession. I pushed on because apparently its my destiny, at least according to my chart. Even though I really needed to feel like this is the right path for me, it hasn't happened yet. It really doesn't seem like anything about the program agrees with me.

Right now I have a saturn square venus so there's a huge possibility that things will change for the better after it goes away. Apparently the same astrologer that said I'd make it into the program thinks things with my love life will fall into place after May of this year. He also thinks I will get married in 2015. He's a vedic astrologer and he thinks I will marry extremely well. On this forum, other have confirmed that I will be in a stable relationship by 2013 and will probably marry in 2015. It's even been said that at first my relationships will be stormy before evening out. So I can't eliminate it working out with him.

So right now, it's a dark time. But this boy really represents a ray of hope. It could be fate. We were in the same undergrad program a year apart (this isn't even a common program) from the same university and we were even in class together a few years ago but never met until we both started this year. There is a lot standing between us, but sparks fly and the attraction kicks in the most improbable ways. We even had the same barrier to the program. And at times it looked extremely bleak for either of us to get in. But we both made it in. So I feel with him, there's a chance the barrier between us can come down when the time's right. If its mean to be, I'll come down. Who knows, if things start to work out. I have a feeling that the astrology might look better if I get his time of birth.

Saturn square venus is supposed to teach you what you need in relationships. I really hope it isn't the pluto synastry aspects talking, but I really feel like I need to end up with someone with at least some of his qualities. Right now I'm so acutely aware of what I need for the future, I don't know how I'll go on if I don't end up with someone like that. I'm hopeful that our astrologer is right, and marrying extremely well means I'll end up with the right kind of person for me.

At the present, we hit a roadblock in the past, which we've pretty much gotten over. Things were getting much better between us, but I can't really be free and open with him. There's someone else from my past who is in our program. A popular girl from my high school days who apparently likes him. This girl absolutely has it out for me. Like I said a lot of improbable things have happened along the way. Once he had a long conversation with my friend at a party about relationships, etc. And he thought my friend brought up him dating this popular girl. And he says "no, not her" several times like the idea freaks him out. This girl has quite a reputation and I don't really see him being attracted to her. But she doesn't know that. She doesn't realize she doesn't have a chance. There's a lot of other problems between me and this girl. On so many levels. When you look at our composites, we're natural born enemies. So a fight could break out between us over anything. I just can't have it be about him.

Like I said, I don't feel like I belong in this program. A big part of it is being stuck in a certain social (ethnic) group. They are nice but I'm very different from them and a lot of the time, I struggle being stuck with them. Unfortunately this popular girl is in the social group I want to move into. And yes this is also the social group I'll have to spend more time with if I date him. So I can't be too obvious with him in school unless I know he's on board for a relationship for fear of all hell breaking lose with her. She's done her share of nasty things to me in the past, so I don't care about her upsetting her by dating the guy she likes. But she can make things worse for me on a social level. She knows the crowd better than I do. She has major family problems right now, so if she wants to she can really play a huge sympathy card. I'll deal with it, if I'm dating him, but I'm not going there unless I know he's on board. Unfortunately even though we're adults, this environment is really high school. I'm really not feeling so great because I had a hell of a time in high school and I know how bad things can get. And my chart can make things difficult to succeed socially (Saturn in first) even though I need social acceptance for my overall wellbeing (this is connected to me being conflicted about my origins).

In the end, my saturn square venus lifts by the end of the summer. And he'll be getting a jupiter conjunct venus from the middle of the summer for about a year. I'm thinking I'm going to hold off on this relationship until next school year. My transits will be ok and his will be good for a relationship (pluto trine venus and jupiter conjunct venus). I'll be a much happpier person and I think luck will be on my side moving forward. I think I'll be more settled about my social situation as well. I doubt I'll be so scared about him messing me up socially.