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TrueTaurus
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posted June 19, 2011 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 19, 2011 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A part of me really wants to recommend you read up on some Buddhist books for helping to stabilize your emotions. It's been a while since I've read them, but my four favorites are Pema Chodron's When Things Fall Apart and The Places That Scare you.. also Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche's The Joy of Living and Joyful Wisdom. You should really look at the reviews here.. I can't say enough about how great his books are http://www.amazon.com/Joy-Living-Unlo cking-Science-Happiness/product-reviews/0307347311/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 . If I am at all a poor example of a balanced individual, it is not due to these books that have helped me attain balance and peace and it is my attachment and perceptions that are limiting me in integrating the material above.

Neuroscientifically speaking, fear and anxiety, any form of suppression of emotional or physical pain strengthens the emotion or pain. It's there to tell you something is wrong, and if you keep ignoring it the pain will run your life. You've got a challenging chart, which will cause a lot of difficulties that I don't feel like I can talk about as my experience in astrology is rather limited. Your pluto opposition is rather intense. However, Buddhists always say you can make huge leaps spiritually with severe and persistent pain. The learning curve is much higher. Suffering is like the element that polishes the mirror of compassion.

Having read a lot of neuroscience books before this, I really liked Daniel Siegel's the Mindful brain which catalogues different aspects of mindfulness (secular aspects of buddhism) in an intra and interpersonal context as well as what it does to the brain.

The main things are acceptance, compassion(for yourself AND others), awareness, being. I have pluto opp moon (a little different) and that drives me crazy. My empathic friend said I am excessively hard on myself. You can't fix what you can't accept. A part of you will always distort the reality with fear.

Sorry if I rambled or it's too much. I'm a little ungrounded by kundalini at the moment That's my two cents having struggled with severe suicidal ideation most of my life, and desperately searching for answers. I know it's a little different, but that should work similarly for you.

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posted June 19, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you describe a see saw to me,how it operates,how it feels.
I will meditate on your chart.
12th house is a bear

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted June 19, 2011 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luxlisbon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello True Taurus!
I can most definitely relate to the feeling of strong emotions. However, I am not sure how my chart plays into this.
At times, the only truth I know is how strongly I feel...and well I have been coping in unhealthy ways and I am now practicing being more constructive.
But, I have a triple water sign I know that much about my chart. Scorpio sun, Pisces Ascendent, and Cancer moon. That right there I think is enough of an explanation maybe for all my feelings.
Also, I am an aspiring creative type person, so I am trying to use my emotions to express something, unfortunately sometimes they have nowhere else to go and I end up hurting myself by trying to block them. I feel you in your struggle.
And with that said, I re-read Mochai's post more than once, and I am now very curious about those books. Good advice Mochai

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posted June 20, 2011 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mochai,

I appreciate your advice and I think on the subject of emotions one can’t put a finger on it and say this will cure your distress, but certainly Buddhist philosophy is one of the philosophies that I respect and adhere to and I believe that practicing meditation, chanting (in my case), and “mindfulness” will bring peace to mind. I believe that everything happens in the mind and/or the will. It’s rather tricky.

It’s been a while since I've read Buddhist books too. I believe that this tendency of mine, of being swayed by my emotions, getting carried away and obsessively thinking about such things that don’t matter, over analyzing can be controlled, but I feel like it is a life long battle. My chart is an obvious example of the ‘craziness’ I go through, but much of the pain as been overcome such as depression and extreme shyness. But even so, my understanding of the human condition makes me a tad pessimistic in life. I try my best to be optimistic and “relax.”
Oh I agree that the learning curve is much higher. I’ve been told that I am very mature for my age, an old soul.

*Suffering is like the element that polishes the mirror of compassion.* This is very true too.* I feel like I am a very compassionate person, but sometimes it creates problems in relationships because I expect the other person to do more, feel more, or be sensitive to me much more than they are because to me, it’s comes natural and to most people it does not.


The secular aspects of Buddhism really interest me, and after having studied philosophy for a couple years, I’ve noticed a lot of similarities between the western and eastern philosophies, especially with existentialism and w/ Aristotelian ethics.

I had an epiphany today. I feel like I need to accept my weaknesses, in the process of becoming the best I can be. I’m not all strength and wonderful or positive. I need to remind myself that if people don’t like the real me then it wasn’t meant to be. Like Marilyn Monroe once said, "I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best."

What do you mean by being ungrounded by kundalini…I’ve heard of kundalini yoga, but I don’t know what it means.

I’ve been at that point too where I thought of suicide, but that was a long time ago…and I feel that your way of thinking insofar as the stuff you've said regarding buddhist philosophy will relieve the pain.

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posted June 20, 2011 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ami Anne, thank you for doing that. =)

I have an extreme case of a see saw chart. Taurus sun opposite my moon, Jupiter, and Pluto, then I have the opposing stellium in both the 12th and 6th houses. It’s a weird chart.

I am very analytical but at the same time I am very spiritual and absorbing of vibes and affected when the moon phase change. Remember the full moon in Capricorn w/ the eclipse recently? I could not believe how sleepy I was…Let me tell you, I hardly did anything that day but was so exhausted.

It’s a blessing in the sense that I have an uncanny ability to know how people feel and understand human beings’ feelings, etc., but other times it’s way too overwhelming and I don’t want to feel. I want to enjoy life w/out thinking about the deeper meaning in life (which I do everyday without fail).
Another thing is being very outgoing and talkative, and the next I am reticent, kept to myself, quite, and moody, not to mention socially awkward. People tell me I am attractive and I’m not stupid so it’s not any of those things that make me a social outcast, but I am inherently a loner and very shy. I need LOTS of time relaxing at home.

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posted June 20, 2011 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Luxlisbon,

Wow, a triple water sign! Omgosh, how do you put up with that…Do you have any earth? You must be an emotional sponge. Yes, those Buddhist philosophy books Mochai’s mentioned will definitely help. It has at least for me when I was very depressed years back.

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posted June 20, 2011 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kundalini does a lot of things, was just trying to explain my state. Being ungrounded basic tasks become a little difficult. It's an evolutionary energy that tends to make people go crazy if they don't handle it right or depending on their soul issues/energy system. I have a kundalini schpiel I could go on but I save that for people who are going through it.

When they did mindfulness inventories the aspect that most strongly correlated with non-reactance or emotional stability while under duress was self compassion. I like neuroscience because it beautifully illustrates lessons of why we are here (we function best while working towards eudaimonic goals, being compassionate and loving), but I do not adhere to the mind being the all.

Sorry if I'm rambling here, just felt the need to say this. I prescribe to jnani ideals or how they describe enlightenment more in the Nyingma sect of Tibetan Buddhism. It's similar to zen but I don't think the emphasis in Zen communicates it as well and it diverges some. It's hard to describe but it's more of a no mind philosophy where the brain or thoughts act as a filter. I understand that that sounds crazy, but it is a huge reason for why we meditate. Nyingma is the sect of Tibetan Buddhism where the Dalai Lama has gone to seek teachings and he is of the competing Gelug sect. It's recognized as having the most advanced teaching, and they hold their female teachers as equals.

Please understand that I'm not going to communicate this as well as I'd like. Sometimes kundalini shuts down a lot and I have to take a break. It's not easy.

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posted June 20, 2011 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TrueTaurus:
Hey Ami Anne, thank you for doing that. =)

I have an extreme case of a see saw chart. Taurus sun opposite my moon, Jupiter, and Pluto, then I have the opposing stellium in both the 12th and 6th houses. It’s a weird chart.

I am very analytical but at the same time I am very spiritual and absorbing of vibes and affected when the moon phase change. Remember the full moon in Capricorn w/ the eclipse recently? I could not believe how sleepy I was…Let me tell you, I hardly did anything that day but was so exhausted.

It’s a blessing in the sense that I have an uncanny ability to know how people feel and understand human beings’ feelings, etc., but other times it’s way too overwhelming and I don’t want to feel. I want to enjoy life w/out thinking about the deeper meaning in life (which I do everyday without fail).
Another thing is being very outgoing and talkative, and the next I am reticent, kept to myself, quite, and moody, not to mention socially awkward. People tell me I am attractive and I’m not stupid so it’s not any of those things that make me a social outcast, but I am inherently a loner and very shy. I need LOTS of time relaxing at home.


Very interesting explanation of the see-saw chart.
I am getting the sense of it and it IS a see -saw.
You are up on one side and down on the other at alternate times.
I can only relate by the various"modes" I have.I can be in a water mode--Cancer/Scorpio or an Air mode--Gemini
i can flip in and out of these but yours seems much harder cuz your WHOLE chart shape is of such.
Mine is just different elements and signs.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 20, 2011 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I had an epiphany today. I feel like I need to accept my weaknesses, in the process of becoming the best I can be. I’m not all strength and wonderful or positive. I need to remind myself that if people don’t like the real me then it wasn’t meant to be. Like Marilyn Monroe once said, "I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best."

Yes,I am getting to this ,too.This is a basic level of self acceptance.
I will look at your chart and see what else we can talk about

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 20, 2011 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus/12th, Scorpio Moon/6th, Cancer Rising.
May 2nd, 1988 Anchorage, AK 8:22am

OK So you never got your chart up right?
Is it someplace on LL? If not, I will just deal with these facts for the moment.

Sun in 12th in Taurus.Moon in 6th in Scorpio. Cancer Rising
Lots of introspection here--like MUCHO.
These are all "inner oriented, feeling oriented, internal looking placements.
I see what you mean.

Did you write your other placements somewhere.I am getting confused cuz I am doing many charts lol

12th house--right away is painful. The sun does not like to be here cuz it is turned inward to such a degree that it is buried under water you could say.
It is more deeply buried than the 8th house which is buried enough.
I have an 8th house Sun. We are late maturing.

With the 12th house, you are a very sensitive, spiritual person. You may hate being in the direct spotlight.
You may feel it is unseemly to have an "ego". You should be better than that,more "spiritual".
Is that true?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 20, 2011 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in Scorpio seems like THE hardest moon.It is suspicious when all the moon wants to do is cuddle and be a warm fuzzy.
This moon would think someone had an affair when they just went down the street to the store

The 6th house wants to be of service to others so it is a good outer oriented placement I think,by house.

However, the Scorpio moon is deep and simmering.
The 12th house sun is so,so otherworldly that it is hard for you to just be a "normal" person and go to a party and just "be"

The Cancer ASC is a very sensitive ASC.I like it very much.
It is very sweet and tender. It can be shy and retiring ,a little.but it is a sweetheart when it feels safe to come out of it's shell.

We have to look at other placements to see HOW you can balance these!

I don't know how to do the charts.Ask Avocado to post it or read the directions and see if you can lol

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 21, 2011 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 21, 2011 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you appreciate my humor, Baby
I would hate for someone to come after me with a baseball bat

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 21, 2011 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought you were a guy lol
OK Interesting about OCD and hypochondria.

I want to see what your Mercury is doing?
Ok Girlfriend
Let me look and see what I can find.You tell me if I am right/wrong
Always just be honest

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 21, 2011 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow a Fire Void
You are in good company with Randall and Doux Reve
How do you feel this? Is enthusiasm hard? Is drive hard, get up and go?
How do you feel to the element of fire?
Do you seek it in other people? Are your friends high in fire?
Are you able to have strong opinions and defend yourself?
I ask as someone trying to develop more fire,myself.
I have 2 fire planets only

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 21, 2011 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW
You have moon square mercury and moon square Mars in fixed signs
Oh my---Your deepest emotions fight with your mind.
Your deepest emotions fight with your drives
How does this feel? Can you identify with this?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 21, 2011 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MY moon is conjunct your ASC

Aww Your 12th house.It looks painful JUST to look at it lol

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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posted June 21, 2011 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus conj Chiron in the 12th house--Good Lord Girlfriend
WHAT did you do in a past life


For good news,you have Sun conjunct Jupiter.
The bad news is it is in the 12th house.

I will look at your chart little by little.
Respond to me as you are and we should be able to find some helpful things.

God, who made the charts imo, NEVER left anyone high and dry
There are always Saving graces--ways to transform your chart energies in to good for you and others!!

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I absolutely hate the fire void. Fire is life, energy, enthusiasm, and drive.
You can imagine what an introvert I am. I find it hard to fit in socially. I'm not wild, crazy, or silly, hyper, non of that.
But my Earth placement with Plutonian influence gives me persistence and obsession. I force myself to go to kickboxing classes and I commit to it. I often times exercise more than my peers.
I am sad sometimes though, that I cannot be like everybody else. They have lots of energy to be around others, and I get jealous of that. I am awkward and I have low confidence. The oppositions I have create a bipolar kind of influence where I am very confident and the next I have zero.

*Oh my---Your deepest emotions fight with your mind.
Your deepest emotions fight with your drives
How does this feel? Can you identify with this?*

I don't know how this plays out. It might manifest in the way I communicate though. I have a weird tendency, possibly unconscious way of saying things that I don't mean. For example I would say the opposite of what I had intended to say or thought in my mind. It's really weird. And when I'm not comfortable around others, my low confidence shows in my speech because I stammer. I also noticed this happens when I'm very tired. When I have lots of energy it's reflected in my confidence and I'm like a different person. My mental capacities and ability to process is ALOT better when I'm not tired.
Maybe that's the manifestation of the Mercury Square Moon and Mars.
Another thing is that I am very blunt. Often times, in relationships with men I am too blunt and I come off as mean. At the moment I don't give a **** and say how I feel.

Overall, I hate the fire void. I feel like If I had fire I'd live up fully to my potential and had not been held back.

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posted June 22, 2011 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes
I would HATE a fire void .Randall seems to overcome it cuz I NEVER would have guessed he had it.
However,I treasure my 2 fire planets so much so I can empathize with you.
I have an earth void but I don't mind it terribly.
I have things which help it like Saturn trines
I will SEE what you have to help yours lol

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted June 22, 2011 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter conjunct Sun is a fire placment replacement BUT the 12th house waters it down greatly which is not good lol
So, it is a wash ,maybe

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
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posted June 22, 2011 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TrueTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the Venus in 12th conjunct Chiron...
Tell me about!!!
What have I done in the past to be born with such a chart, unable to live it as it was meant be lived. To be happy, to take things lightly sometimes. I feel deeply...I am not lighthearted.
Thank god for my venus in gemini and mars in aqua. Or else I probably would have gone insane.
I almost feel like love, in the romantic sense, was never meant to be for me...
I feel like it's a sad thing. Everything is temporal. Love is too. My mom told me what she got from buddhist philosophy. If our feelings and thoughts are not permanent and constantly changing, how can we expect for someone else to feel the exact same way about me tomorrow? It's sad but true...I like romance and partnership, but I have doubts about the longevity of it. I have doubts about whether such things are possible. Perhaps it's only platonic love and friendship that have the potential to be lasting.
W/ my big three alone, the ending of relationships, no matter how hard they were, are very devastating.

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posted June 22, 2011 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have Saturn conjunct Uranus in the 5th house?
How does THAT feel?
Those two energies seem VERY weird together, to me.
Like a wierd buzz under water or something lol
You have it in the 5th--the house of joy,romance and play.
HOW does it feel?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Wow you have Neptune conj the DSC in the 7th house.This seems strange too in HOW it would manifest.
Do you look for dreamy,Piscean type partners?
Do you see your partners in a dreamy way/unreal perhaps?
What do you think ?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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