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Jounia
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posted January 09, 2012 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, please can you tell me - does he love me?

Thanks in advance.

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posted January 09, 2012 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ASC is in the first three degrees; some astrologers would consider the chart not readable because of that.
It could literally mean that it is too early to answer the question.

But ignoring it I will interprete it neverteless.

Your significator is Moon, strong in Cancer, and indicates your emotionality in relation to the question.
the significator of your animal magnetism is Venus in Aquarius, less strong.


His main significator is Saturn in Libra in your 5th house of romance, so it is easy to see that you perceive him as a possible romantic partner.
His co-significator, his animal magnetism, is Sun in Capricorn in your 8th house.
So his significators fall into your 5th and 8th house, which both deal with romance and sex.

Your significators fall into his 8th and 3rd house. He is a bit more detached as the 3rd house positions indicates, but your personality and emotions touch him very deeply as well; having significators in both 8th houses could also indicate a certain compulsion and obsession.

So, your question was if he loves you.


Venus is in Aquarius, ruled by Saturn (HIM), and in the detriment of Sun (his animal magnetism).
Moon is in Cancer, in the detriment of Saturn.

It is a very mixed reception. The fact that your animal magnetism (Venus) is ruled by him, indicates a pretty strong attraction to him.
But at the same time it is mixed, as it is in detriment of his other significator Sun. I don`t think it necessarily nullifies the attraction or indicates dislike, as some sites interprete it.
Combined with the positive reception, it might simply mean, that despite a strong attraction you are holding back. Something is keeping you from submitting to your feelings for him.

On the other hand Moon (your emotions) is in the detriment of him, with no positive receptions at all. So maybe you`re emotionally hurt by him or you fear that he might wound your feelings. Or despite being sexually attracted to him you do not really "like" him.

How does it look from his perspective.

Saturn is in Libra, with no dignities of the Moon (your personality and emotions), but it is ruled by Venus (your animal magnetism).
This is a clear sign of a strong sexual attraction of him to you, but so far there is no indicator of emotional attachment from his side.

Sun is in Capricorn, it`s in the triplicity of Venus, but in the detriment of Moon.

It actually seems as if he is very strongly sexually attracted to you, but without emotional attachment or love. So, the answer to your question would be, No, he doesn`t love you, though he wants you (sexually).

Let me see if your significators contact each other, so there would be at least a meeting point.

Moon has just separated from an opposition to Sun and is applying to a square to Saturn, and this is the last aspect of Moon and therefore indicating the final result.
Before this happens Venus will trine Saturn.

The positive trine of Venus to Saturn probably indicates that there will be a romantic meeting, maybe you are even going to flirt or even more.
But after that a huge conflict will arise, and you probbly will feel tremendously hurt by him.
And since this is the last aspect of the MOoon, it will result in a separation (at least for a certain time - a horary is only valid for a certain amount of time, after that things might change).

Of course all of this only holds, if that chart is readable.
Do you or him have important planets / angles on 1 Cancer or Capricorn?

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posted January 09, 2012 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, great analysis. I saw the mixed bag as well but I was reluctant to respond especially in such great length. You not only helped the OP but also me validating some of the stuff I saw. Thanks.

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Jounia
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posted January 09, 2012 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for this detailed reading, it's so kind of you to take the time time to write all of this. I have sun in Cancer with a Capricorn asc. He has his sun in Capricorn and Mercury also What does this mean in relation to the horary chart?

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posted January 09, 2012 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you`re welcome. I just wished Hera was here. She is REALLY good with this stuff.


Jounia,

they say if one of the people involved has Sun, MOon or ASC on the same degree as the one that is on the ASC of the horary, it is a valid chart, even if the degree is within the first three or three last degrees.

Also, I found that these horary charts which are "true", have strong conjunctions to natal placements.
I have stopped counting how many times in a relationship horary of mine the first meeting chart`s ASC (which is on my NN and 2 degrees off my own ASC) came up.

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posted January 09, 2012 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great job, Ceri!!!!

I'm sorry, but my first impression on the chart is that he has other romantic interests... He has planets in his house (Mercury on angle and Pluto, though not considered as a significator, might colour him as possibly being a player, interested more in the sex, as Ceri pointed out, than in a relationship), also in his 5th house (Jupiter), which could be other romantic interests for him. There is also Venus, which applies to him with mutual reception. Venus could be you or another woman (it is not necessary an indicator for you, mostly women in general).
He is intercepted in his 11th house, meaning he is taking this lightly, though in Libra, the relationship sign, he is preparing to leave this sign and enter Scorpio, the sex sign. He is quite sure of himself and perhaps a bit arrogant, being in own exaltation.
All in all, it seems like it is not you he loves. He loves Venus, whoever she is, but I don't know why this chart screamed at me that he is a womanizer and perhaps insincere (he is in Via Combusta after all - all is not as it seems with him).
I'm sorry I didn't have more positive news for you.

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posted January 09, 2012 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Folks, thanks so much for this. I will now go through what has been said and trll you my views (on what you have interpreted) as a person in the relationship.

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posted January 09, 2012 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
your personality and emotions touch him very deeply as well; having significators in both 8th houses could also indicate a certain compulsion and obsession.

I would agree with that - it is clear and he has even said that i touch him deeply.

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It is a very mixed reception. The fact that your animal magnetism (Venus) is ruled by him, indicates a pretty strong attraction to him.
But at the same time it is mixed, as it is in detriment of his other significator Sun. I don`t think it necessarily nullifies the attraction or indicates dislike, as some sites interprete it.
Combined with the positive reception, it might simply mean, that despite a strong attraction you are holding back. Something is keeping you from submitting to your feelings for him.

On the other hand Moon (your emotions) is in the detriment of him, with no positive receptions at all. So maybe you`re emotionally hurt by him or you fear that he might wound your feelings. Or despite being sexually attracted to him you do not really "like" him.


Absolutely spot on.

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Jounia
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posted January 09, 2012 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hera:
Great job, Ceri!!!!

I'm sorry, but my first impression on the chart is that he has other romantic interests... He has planets in his house (Mercury on angle and Pluto, though not considered as a significator, might colour him as possibly being a player, interested more in the sex, as Ceri pointed out, than in a relationship), also in his 5th house (Jupiter), which could be other romantic interests for him. There is also Venus, which applies to him with mutual reception. Venus could be you or another woman (it is not necessary an indicator for you, mostly women in general).
He is intercepted in his 11th house, meaning he is taking this lightly, though in Libra, the relationship sign, he is preparing to leave this sign and enter Scorpio, the sex sign. He is quite sure of himself and perhaps a bit arrogant, being in own exaltation.
All in all, it seems like it is not you he loves. He loves Venus, whoever she is, but I don't know why this chart screamed at me that he is a womanizer and perhaps insincere (he is in Via Combusta after all - all is not as it seems with him).
I'm sorry I didn't have more positive news for you.


Hera, it's ok This news isn't a shock and is of no disappointment to me - let me explain why;

He is married. So yes, there is another woman who he loves. Having an affair probably explains your interpretation of a player/womanizer - would you agree or do you think it's more than this? It will also explain the main reason being sex.

Let me explain why I asked this question.

I told him that I only want one night of passion. Since that night, he is besotted with me. He is pouring out his heart so much so that although it seems crazy, I feel that he is falling in love with me. very quickly.

It's so hard to expalin myself and my reasons for thinking this via the internet but with out trying to sound funny or big headed I have fantastic judgement and intuition and am naturally very sceptical so when I say I feel he is falling in love with me, please believe me that I have my reasons! I have also consulted other people and they all see how he is with me, around me and they tend to agree, so I just thought I'd make a chart and see what it said.
It's really interesting and do you know what? When I asked the question, my gut feeling was that the ASC would be in the very first degrees and that I would be told it's too early to tell! strange.

Thanks so much to all - I really appreciate your time!! xxx

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posted January 09, 2012 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera,


Hmm, interesting about Venus. I must admit that I based my interpretation partly on the horaries I have read so far (also on other sides), and in relationship horaries it was always said to also check for Venus as co-significator of the woman in question.
But it also makes sense the way you interprete it.
And now I don`t know anymore how to interprete Venus and Sun at all.

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posted January 09, 2012 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it is always tricky with co-significators. Sometimes they're the querent/quesited, sometimes they're other people. Very often, if the person is taken/with someone else, there will be planets in their house or 5th house or planets aspecting them.
But Jounia, if it is as you say, then you are Venus and he is ruled by you and you are ruled by him - and also applying for a trine! Which changes things completely and shifts the answer to yes.
However, your main significator is in his detriment, which means there are things about him you dislike - perhaps the fact that he is taken. But Venus tells the story in this chart and now that you have shared the background I can see how the planets all fit the picture. Thank you for the feedback!

Ceri

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Jounia
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posted January 09, 2012 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera I'm now confused!! So are you saying it's not clear if it's a yes or a no?? hehe or is it now a yes?

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posted January 10, 2012 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump - Hera?!

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posted January 10, 2012 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the first aspect is a positive one, Venus trine Saturn, though there might be a bit of an emphasis on physical attraction (with Venus emphasizing the sexual side of woman).

The reason why I came to the conclusion that this is eventually is a No, was that after that Moon squares Saturn, and I read that the last aspect of Moon determines the final outcome.

BUT the question is if that is a correct assessment. I have read that in several books, but others disregard the last aspect of the Moon as the result of the course of events.
And in the case of this chart it really depends if that is correct or not.

Maybe the fact that your sig Venus trines his sig Saturn, already fulfills the horary and after that you would need a new one.

That is what I am uncertain of.


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posted January 10, 2012 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, Thanks again for your input. I appreciate it

If anyone else has any thoughts, please do share them. Thanks!

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posted January 10, 2012 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump! Hera? are you around?

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Jounia
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posted January 11, 2012 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump - Hera!

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anongrl10
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posted January 11, 2012 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I would stick with Venus being a co-significator of the Querent, just because the question was not about any other woman.

There are questions where you indeed have to take other people into account but that was not one of them.

That means, Jounia, that if you ask me, I concur with Ceri's analysis. That's how I read it as well including the upcoming argument/separation etc.

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posted January 11, 2012 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks anongrl; so that means he does not love me, right?

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posted January 11, 2012 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jounia:
Thanks anongrl; so that means he does not love me, right?

Jounia, like Ceri said, it's not a cut and dry yes or no. There is a mix of both in the horary chart and IMO this fits the situation as you have described it on another string. Have you read Ceri's post carefully? She's really covered all bases in my view.

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