posted January 16, 2012 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Saturn does not mean unrequited love!!!!! Saturn makes you stick together! I have saturn in a stellium with my husband and in synastry his juno conjuncts his saturn which conjuncts my Sun and I loved him from the beginning strongly which even bothered me actually bc It was like we met and I already careeeed a lot about him......feelings developed too quickly.

Saturn makes you stick together....Saturn sobers things up and makes you see clearly and have realistic expectations, has nothing to do with unrequited love.

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amelia, i looked at your synastry and composite, remember me? You actually dont have any saturn in a stellium with your guy, in fact you barely have any saturn with him. Saturn is indeed unrequited love, littlecloud agrees as well.

posted January 16, 2012 02:02 AM            

Not only venus conjunct pluto but also mutual sun-moon aspects (and positive aspects at that). That is pretty intense. Also they had sun trine jupiter and a few other nice aspects. However, i see they had moon conjunct saturn as well in synastry. Again, this leads to want to make a comittment but they would need to be more aware of each other's emotional needs and be more nurturing towards each other!

I completely agree with your mentioning of the saturn squares. Imo this is why she left and it is very onvious. She started resenting him after a while.

If you look at the composite there are also strong indications of an intensely romantic relationship. You have almost all planets clustered together, and this is probably the only thing which people do NOT mention which DOES indicate soulmates. You can look it up on the internet...a lot of astrologers have written about this. Not only are they all clustered together but you also have the love stellium in there which is mercury-sun-venus conjunct. Then you also have the entire stellium trining neptune and jupiter which is incredible, and then you have the moon squaring the entire stellium which would create tremendous emptional involvement and fascination with each other...but ultimately you'd have different life directions. However that need not be a bad thing, as long as u make the differences netwen u interesting. The only thing bad u have in the composite is venus square uranus and saturn conjunct the sun and venus. The reason why she left, in my opinion, is mainly the negative saturn aspects on her personal planets in the synastry. It is more than obvious that is the reason.

posted January 16, 2012 07:20 AM            

Thank you for the detailed reading!

posted January 16, 2012 02:15 PM            

Her saturn is conjunct her IC therefore it's in a very strong point in her chart. He has no close aspects to her other than the conjunctions, which actually seem too wide for astro.com Also her mars on her IC another strong point which along with the conjunctions is receiving nothing but squares. I'm sorry but I fail to see conjunctions in the wonderful light that everyone paints them to be on this site. They amplify the good and bad. It's a strong aspect, but I wouldn't call it a beneficent one, especially taking into account which planets are in conjunction. That taken into account with nothing but squares to her mars, there's no stress relief, it just even more tension and more difficult to fine a positive release through a better aspect.

There is no venus/pluto conjunction. Also sun sextile moon is not that big of a deal. Let me rephrase, I wouldn't say that a nice sun/moon aspect will make your relationship. You can't look at synastry as this aspect step by step...You need to look at the whole thing. The whole thing is not saying 'happy lasting relationship' to me. The composite looks a lot better than the synastry but the stellium is in the 2nd house, the 7th house is empty and the 5th house has Uranus in it with nothing but squares.

Having a great composite and sh!tty synastry is like being married and hating each other, what's the point?

What I am saying, is that yes I see the strong pull, the magnetism, the feeling of this is a serious relationship but I am not seeing this being a happy fulfilling one that would last a long time. I see how they are drawn together, Saturn does that, makes it feel serious and 'together' from the beginning. This does not equal Happy and Healthy.

Astro_flame...what can you do you asked? In this relationship? Stop being the stick in the mud Saturn. You will need to have fun with her and laugh, and be IN love, not just love and criticize and be the parent. That's what Saturn does, it acts as the parent in a relationship, and I'm sure if you follow that train of thought you can understand why hard Saturn (especially in this case, with no help from other planets) can be detrimental in relationships.

posted January 16, 2012 09:33 PM            

I'd just like to understand her natal more - I'm just trying to narrow down her source of unhappiness which resulted in her current confused state. And that means she is willing to try anything to find her happiness but not necessarily is correct. I feel that she had issues that she have not resolved and by jumping into a rs so soon.. She's moving too fast. And that sentiment is shared by our friends too - does she know what she is doing?

posted January 16, 2012 09:43 PM            

I feel bad for this girl with both mars and Saturn conjuncting her IC...her childhood was not easy. [/B][/QUOTE]

you are lucky you got a reading so real and detailed

posted January 16, 2012 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by MC2012:

you are lucky you got a reading so real and detailed

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indeed.

posted January 16, 2012 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Post the natal

Thanks MC:-)

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thank you littlecloud. here is her natal chart:

but just a caveat - she couldn't confirm her birth time hence she just assumed so. However the interpretations so far have been pretty correct so I would say we're not too far off.

posted January 18, 2012 10:44 AM            

Any thoughts to this?

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Saturn's importance in relationships should not be overlooked, yet for some odd reason his influence often is, particularly in computer analyzed synastry charts, which tend to focus primarily on Sun, Moon, Venus, and Mars contacts. Perhaps Saturn is quickly dismissed as an 'outer planet' and therefore not relevant to relationships. Perhaps Saturn is brushed aside because of the intense karmic implications apparent with Saturn contacts in synastry. Regardless, Saturn does not often get the attention he deserves.

Saturn is a builder, a solidifying influence that is pertinent to the formation of any long-lasting relationship. Relationships aren't meant to be all light and fluff--they are intended for the individual growth of the two partners. Significant growth is not easy or very fun and Saturn contacts can be rather painful at times. Saturn in our charts is often expressed in an unconscious manner. It is our repressed child-hood fears, our own personal inferiority complex that can hold us back if we don't learn to express Saturnian energy consciously. Many times we are only made aware of this part of ourselves through the mutual projection/reflection inherent in our relationships. The true strength of any building's structure is known only after it withstands the force of a hurricane, earthquake, or other disaster. The same is true of our personality. We don't know what we are capable of until we are involved in a relationship that tests us and strengthens our resolve and determination.

In synastry, Saturnian contacts are often viewed negatively if there is a square (90 degrees), opposition (180 degrees), or conjunction ( 0 degrees) involved. It is often stated that the Saturn person has a restricting or limiting influence on the other person's involved planet. This is true to an extent but it should be understood that Saturn is the vulnerable one in this situation. He is trying to hide his pain, his weaknesses from his partner and does this with a self-protecting mechanism of domination and 'parental' guidance. The very part of the other person Saturn is trying to restructure is simply an unconscious projection on his part--it is a part of the Saturnian personality that he recognizes but can't consciously associate with himself. Through this relationship, and the reflection of the unconscious need for growth, the Saturnian person becomes more conscious, more developed, in his own right. So how does this affect the other person? Well, it can be very difficult at times but if the person can understand this part of the relationship and work with it, they too will grow. The Saturnian contact will help strengthen the other person's planet and give it more conscious structure. The tension can swing back and forth between the partners as the fears and needs of each partner are put to the test by the contact.

A positive Saturnian contact such as the trine (120 degrees) and the sextile (60 degrees) is easier to work with in the relationship because Saturn and the other planet have more of an understanding between them. Although Saturn can still be unconscious in these circumstances, chances are the Saturnian person has had some prior experience with a Saturnian connection in another relationship and thus has a more conscious knowledge of his Saturnian placement and is working more successfully with the energy. In the new relationship with the positive Saturn connection, the Saturnian is helping build up the structural personality of the current partner. This is a situation of growth for both partners as the Saturnian is learning to share his prior experiences in a teaching position while the other partner is developing the planet in question.

Without the strength and support of a significant Saturn contact, it is fairly difficult to think in terms of long-term possibility in a relationship. This planet is a powerhouse that is often avoided in synastry because the implications are, on the surface, unpleasant. After all, we really don't like to hear the truth about our relationships or ourselves. It is less painful and easier to avoid the truth, at least at first. However, avoidance and ignorance will eventually backlash and can possibly destroy a relationship that could have been saved if the two people involved were willing to open themselves up to their fears and hostilities and had learned to integrate the energy in a more healthy fashion.

While some synastry interpretations avoid Saturn and his importance in our relationships, it is one of the first planets I look at when I start a synastry reading. In my opinion, Saturn is not only important in a relationship, but is the very foundation of a long-term relationship. Without a foundation, all structures will collapse.

posted January 18, 2012 12:58 PM            

Perhaps she became too vulnerable with you.

posted January 20, 2012 10:48 PM            

What seems to have been the consensus here and from my own personal observations in synastry is that when a person has 'good' aspects between certain planets it's especially hard for them when in synastry these turn into 'bad' aspects. Like in her case, she is not used to that Saturn square energy to her stellium which is the first thing anyone notices in the synastry between the two of you. You probably remind her of her parents/older siblings/family. Your moon and mars fall into her 4th house which is at the apex of her t-square. Her home life looks very complicated. I'm guessing she had a strict upbringing even a little cold emotionally. With plenty of arguments (mars). Your moon and mars triggering this point of her chart is what gave you two that profound feeling you had, because you reminded her of her family. However as you can see it's not great long term. We usually date people that remind us of our family somehow (my guess is that her new bf does the same) but in your case you emphasized the bad aspects of it restricting her individuality and self-expression.

posted January 21, 2012 05:10 AM            

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Just as I thought, her Saturn sextiles her entire stellium while yours squares it that is probem number one. Number 2 is your moon and mars trigger her t-square.

What seems to have been the consensus here and from my own personal observations in synastry is that when a person has 'good' aspects between certain planets it's especially hard for them when in synastry these turn into 'bad' aspects. Like in her case, she is not used to that Saturn square energy to her stellium which is the first thing anyone notices in the synastry between the two of you. You probably remind her of her parents/older siblings/family. Your moon and mars fall into her 4th house which is at the apex of her t-square. Her home life looks very complicated. I'm guessing she had a strict upbringing even a little cold emotionally. With plenty of arguments (mars). Your moon and mars triggering this point of her chart is what gave you two that profound feeling you had, because you reminded her of her family. However as you can see it's not great long term. We usually date people that remind us of our family somehow (my guess is that her new bf does the same) but in your case you emphasized the bad aspects of it restricting her individuality and self-expression.

She's got one hell of a temper which no doubt she picked up from home. I would not be surprised if physical abuse took place and if it didn't there was no doubt a slight sense of coldness to it, neglect or perhaps a not being shown love. She is her own worst enemy. With that mars saturn conjunction there is a delay in action. Just when things seem to be going well, there is lack in action which results in her 'missing her chance'. When it comes to personal relationships she seems the most unstable. Her friends are very important to her. Her ego needs to be expressed. If her need to express her emotions, ideas and individuality are hindered she feels like she is dying. This is pretty much what your Saturn square did.

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Thank you littlecloud for your response. But what I understood was that she comes from a loving but if not a traditional family and there's no physical abuse. However she has problems finding happiness and herself for many years already.. i seriously don't know what is she looking for in the first place?!

Anyway I guess me being the saturn here needs to understand that I have to give her space and freedom - and to cut down on criticism. I believed I got into a comfort zone and took her for granted during the 2nd year of our r/s.

But that's what r/s is all about - we complement each other but yet we have to compromise as we are not perfect human beings. There'll be flaws that we have to accept just because we love the person unconditionally.

If only I could turn back time then I would have done things differently but alas.. its all too late ain't it? I doubt the gemini would give this r/s a second chance barring any miracles - the whole "if its meant to be, it will be".

posted January 21, 2012 11:26 PM            

You as the saturn person has taught her quite a few hard lessons. Maybe you taught it to her by taking her for granted, which is something you should never do in a relationship, something that unfortunately many of are guilty of doing. However this is not a 'flaw' I would put under the list of 'loving unconditionally' because the loving unconditionally then becomes one-sided, and so does the relationship.

posted January 22, 2012 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
amelia, i looked at your synastry and composite, remember me? You actually dont have any saturn in a stellium with your guy, in fact you barely have any saturn with him. Saturn is indeed unrequited love, littlecloud agrees as well.

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I wish that was the case but see below......perhaps I am missing something so please break it down for me if I am and explain but it looks like I have a saturn stellium involving both the 7th and the 8th house:

and yes ofcourse I remember you, my favorite cubana!

posted January 22, 2012 12:56 AM            

Do I have a saturn stellium with him....What is your take on Saturn stelliums?

I feel the problems I have with him have more to do with his personality to be honest...his mother and brother will complaint about similar things I complaint about him and it sucks but we have lots of fun too and I care a lot about him.

Anyways in that thread is my synastry and composite with him and since you are objective and not afraid to speak your mind I will like to hear what you think.