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amelia28
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posted January 19, 2012 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
--see below for more info--

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posted January 19, 2012 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooh! Amelia, thanks for posting this. I've been wanting to get my eyeballs on your synastry since the discussion regarding the 'love stellium'. -laugh-

Gimme a sec to freshen my cup of tea, and I'm all over it.

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posted January 19, 2012 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ooh! Amelia, thanks for posting this. I've been wanting to get my eyeballs on your synastry since the discussion regarding the 'love stellium'. -laugh-

Gimme a sec to freshen my cup of tea, and I'm all over it.

-AMP



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posted January 20, 2012 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump!

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posted January 20, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gah. Had the most awful sinus migraine hit! Terribly sorry about that. I went to get my tea, stumbled around a bit, had the spinning design / flashing light aura, and them BAM. Down for the rest of the night.

Okay. I still love the feel of charting in the morning, so, let's get to it, shall we?

There are a few patterns which jump out at me, and have me going, 'Oh, this is cool!' But I'm a numbers girl. I like all of my degrees, please. (I know; it's the Virgo. I can't help it.)

That way I can check and see how tight things are, what else they might be activating, and so on. Much easier for me rather than guesstimating.

Thanks!

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posted January 20, 2012 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just learned that my Antiscia moon conjuncts his tropical natal Sun by half of one orb.

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posted January 20, 2012 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and my Antiscia opposes his natal sun but by 7 orbs.

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posted January 20, 2012 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love that article, Amelia!
Would u like to discuss about the 3 diff types of soulmates on the Soul Unions forum?

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posted January 20, 2012 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure Anon!

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posted January 20, 2012 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Amelia!

That Antiscion Moon conjunct Sun is -definitely- a soul connection indicator. I've always dug those because of the feeling of having a 'shadow soul' tie.

For me, the Antiscion-Moon / Natal-Sun is HUGE because the natal Sun is bringing to Moon to light; not only that, but since they're shadow points of themselves, there's a sense of something being uncovered. Like a hidden planet / planet in shadow being activated by a transit, or someone else's planet.

That's very, very cool.

Am I going to be able to get some degrees on your synastry? I'd like to check certain aspects, but I really need degrees for them, since I use relatively tight orbs in places.

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posted January 20, 2012 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Antiscia / contrascia are EXTREMELY significant imo, but they need a very tight orb, max. 2 degrees.

They are reflection POINTS after all.


I once did a bit of an essay / post on antiscia/ contrascia.

"The antiscia are mirrordegrees, shadows or reflection.
A planet on 7° Sagittarius casts a shadow onto 23° Capricorn and 23° Cancer and is thus reflected by those degrees, or rather planets that are on these degrees.
It works like a complimentary connection.

You know Sagittarius likes to walk or hurry through life with his heads in the clouds, joking here and there and taking life the easy way (not ALL Sag`s are like this, of course); he`s the traveller, the gambler, who doesn`T take things to serious. He sais: why worry about tomorrow? Live today instead.

But underneath this sunny exterior, there is a shadow, and that shadow is reflected through his Antiscion and Contrascion.
Does Capricorn show him how to make more out of his dreams, to transform dreams into goals? Does he show Mr Lucky how to get the work done?
Or does Cancer show him how important it is to have a home he can return to? What sense is in travelling when you have nowhere to return to?
Does he maybe show Mr Take-it-easy, that there are people he has responsibility for, people who care for him and who needs to be cared for?

In this way those mirrordegrees reflect our Mr Sag; the result is a mysterious pull towards the other planet`s person. An attraction that sais: "You`re so different from me. I don`t really understand you. But something just resonates strongly within me and I just HAVE to get close to you."

It`s not like the opposition. You know with the opposition I see two magnets that are magnetized to each other, and there is a great spark and tension between them.
With the antiscion / contrascion it`s like we are all kinda jigsawpieces with irregular ends, and Miss Cancer, just fits to Mr Sag`s puzzle.

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?


Some astrologers even believe that the antiscion-degrees are the real important missing piece to find your Twinsoul. (I personally think there could be truth in it, but there are so many perspectives you can look from).

But what I know is that these connections are really strong and hypnotic, more hypnotic than magnetic probably.

Just think of it:

Aries - Libra: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus - Scorpio: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini - Sagittarius: Cancer and Capricorn


Unlike with the opposition, here is always a connection between a female and a male sign. All elements are included in such a sequence. IT just lookes so WHOLE. COMPLETE

If I have Moon on 28° Sagittarius and someone else has Sun on 2° Capricorn, we would still consider those two planets conjunct (4° orb), but since 0° Capricorn is a "mirror-axis", it also means that the Moon is 2° in front of this mirror and Sun is 2° behind this mirror. And everytime two planets are equidistant from our mirror, they are said to be in antiscion.
So, we would have an aspect (conjunction) and the connection over antiscion.

My longest crush (the gay musical actor) has his Neptune in Scorpio in the EXACT antiscion of my Moon in Aquarius(Neptune rules his ASC and Moon rules my 8th house).
I can tell you TALES about THAT forcefield. Nebulous, dreamy, unreal, surreal, all very Neptunian.

It`s intersting, when we actually coincidentally met, and that whole thing started to solve itself (FINALLY), Transit Neptune was exactly conjunct my Moon and in the antiscion of his Neptune (his Neptune also is in the antiscion of his SN, which conjuncts my Moon exactly, so I guess it was a real OLD tale).

He actually completed me or my Moon in a way. And that is really interesting now. To me at least.
My Aquarius Moon is so intellectual, and before him I have never neve never had an infatuation about actor or anyone else; I was just standing above those things. I detested jealousy and posessiveness. Passion? Not real, just a figment of imagination. Not being able to let go of a person, to be dependent? Weakness of an overemotional soul. Yes, I was convinced you can switch off and on your emotions, if you just try hard enough. Besides who needs such a dirty emotional mess in their lives, when they can have airy thoughts? (Aquarius - Moon, what shall I say?)

And then, he came on the stage of my life, with his Neptune in Scorpio in my 11th house.
Neptune - Sure he was a GAY MUSICAL ACTOR. How can you describe Neptune better (he could have been a drug addict, too, actually I met those too in that period)?
He drew my Moon, my emotions into his forcefield; well, drew, pulled, hypnotized me into it, fits it rather. Actually when it all started I had a dream I have never forgotten. And in that dream I had been pulled into a painting. Really pulled into it. And at one point in the dream I was walking on water, but then I remembered that I can`t swim, and I started drowning and that man told me that I drowned because I didn`t have faith. And then he disappeared.

But back to reality his Neptune in SCORPIO led me to experience all that I had suppressed, because my intellectual Aquarius-mind didn`t want to acknowledge it. And I experienced it all, the passion, the dependency, the emotional ups and downs, the obsession, the jealousy, the pain, the ultimate loss, the need to let go and surrender, I think I learned devotion, that I am NOT on a higher point as a mere observant. I am deeply involved in it all.

Funny enough when I noticed him Transit Pluto was exactly square my Moon and roughly conjunct his Neptune and opposite his Moon (seems he has had an exhausting period, too).

I think that is how it worked. I had to integrate him, or rather the part he symbolized, the part of my soul I had pushed away, and now I had to reintegrate this part. It is a step on the way to wholeness.
And us humans learn that by meeting people, on which we can project all that is hidden and suppressed; they make us aware of it, so we can reintegrate it and finally return home into our own soul.
(it`s not always about letting go though; as a matter of fact antiscia probably provide some kind of glue due to them being so closely associated with each other)

However, I think this is how antiscion work, on a deeply spiritual, yet very real and physical level.


There are people who would see the contrascion as an opposition, but I do not make a difference here.
The thing is some people put the mirror on 0° Capricorn - 0° Cancer.
Some people put the mirror on the axis of 0° Aries - 0° Libra.

And if you change the place of the mirror, suddenly the antiscion will transform itself to the contrascion.

Example:
Aries has the antiscion in Pisces if you put the mirror onto 0° Aries.
If you put the mirror onto 0° Capricorn, Aries will have its antiscion in Virgo.

So, I don`t make a difference here.

There COULD be a symbolic difference between the Aries- LIbra and Capricorn-Cancer-axis though. Like Antiscions over Cancer - Cappy reflecting more something parental, while Aries-Libra are more equally relationship oriented.

But since you will always get the same point, either as antiscion or as contrascion, I would treat them the same."
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They are definitely an important piece of the puzzle imo.

And expanding on this I would expect Twinflames to have the most individual and rare connections; such that you will not share with dozens of other people.
I also expect their astrology to be reflecting their similiar and complimentary energy. Same soulenergy/ essence expressed in complimentary ways: Yin and Yang.

I don´t believe that people can be twinflames if ther are no strong connections to their angles. And I am talking conjunctions here! 2 degrees tops.
(though I do take the angle ruler into consideration as well).

In a nutshell I think that twinflames probably will "tick" all the boxes / checklists, no matter which method you choose.
They will have strong natals. They will have strong Draco-tropical connections. They will have very energetic composites / Davisons. They will resonate with each other even into the depth, to those things that seem more "hidden" at first - antiscia/ contrascia. Dwads. Etc.

And one thing that I want to emphasize is the IC. It always gets so neglected, but it is the deepest part in our chart. The midnight point. it doesn`t get deeper than that. It is the root and core of the natal.
How would your twinflame NOT be connected to the core of your soul?

It doesn`t mean though just because you have someone`s planet on your IC, that you are twinflames.
No single aspect will indicate that. But a pattern will emergy, and I think it will include near to exact aspects to the most time-and spacespecific points (ASC/DESC, MC/IC, Vertex/Antivertex maybe, too), and on top of that the outer planets in strong tight aspects to the personal planets and points (I feel they have to be there simultaneous; personal planets aspects AND outer planets affecting personal planets and angles - the outers are transformators and intensifiers, transcending everyday life, and I thin kit is is one aspect of twinflames, this transcendance / spirit permeating life), conjunctions to the nodal axis of course, and it will vibrate through all possible charts and comparisions, be it a comparision of the natals, synastry, composite, Davisons etc.

Just my thoughts here.


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posted January 20, 2012 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen,

I figured that my Sun Antiscia opposing his natal tropical sun by 7 orb was probably too wide BUT my moon Antiscia conjuncting his natal sun by half of one orb is definitely significant and would explain why we complete eachother even though in tropical synastry and composite we don't have sun/moon aspects. He is always going on about how we complete each other and is true we really do.

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posted January 20, 2012 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amelia,

your Moon on the antiscion of his Sun at such a tight orb is simply ASTOUNDING.

There we have the coming together / reflections of complimentary parts of the psyche. It sounds amazing.

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posted January 20, 2012 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow, Amelia!

That Antiscion Moon conjunct Sun is -definitely- a soul connection indicator. I've always dug those because of the feeling of having a 'shadow soul' tie.

For me, the Antiscion-Moon / Natal-Sun is HUGE because the natal Sun is bringing to Moon to light; not only that, but since they're shadow points of themselves, there's a sense of something being uncovered. Like a hidden planet / planet in shadow being activated by a transit, or someone else's planet.

That's very, very cool.

Am I going to be able to get some degrees on your synastry? I'd like to check certain aspects, but I really need degrees for them, since I use relatively tight orbs in places.

-AMP



Thank you indigo for looking at our charts....if it helps I can give you our birthdates if you didnt get it already from the love stellium thread

Looking forward to your input! and no rush.

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posted January 20, 2012 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Amelia,

your Moon on the antiscion of his Sun at such a tight orb is simply ASTOUNDING.

There we have the coming together / reflections of complimentary parts of the psyche. It sounds amazing.


thanks

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posted January 22, 2012 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 22, 2012 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 22, 2012 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
bump

please repost the synastry bi wheel and reduce the orb ratio downto 40% as the max orb is 3' in synastry....?

plus both natal, with prog and transits

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posted January 22, 2012 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
please repost the synastry bi wheel and reduce the orb ratio downto 40% as the max orb is 3' in synastry....?

plus both natal, with prog and transits


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posted January 22, 2012 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bi wheel synastry with reduced orbs by 40%:

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posted January 22, 2012 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My natal with progressions and transits:

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posted January 22, 2012 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Husband's natal with progressions and transits:

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posted January 22, 2012 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me know if you need anything else please

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posted January 22, 2012 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and feel comfortable to say anything at all, I can't take it...

Thanks.

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posted January 23, 2012 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you please post the charts the way it's described in the "How to post your chart" tab on the upper left hand corner of the list of threads? It's much easier to read and I don't do asteroids, and prefer equal house system.

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