posted February 07, 2012 10:43 AM            

Is his issue clear, from these placements? (I'm sorry I don't have the birth time.)

Sun Pisces 11.16
Moon Sagittarius 9.17
Mercury Pisces 13.59
Venus Pisces 20.41
Mars Cancer 22.17
Jupiter Gemini 26.14
Saturn Leo 26.01 R
Uranus Scorpio 16.21 R
Neptune Sagittarius 18.14
Pluto Libra 16.14 R
Lilith Cancer 4.53
Asc node Libra 6.07

Not trying to be tricky, just wondering if there is a "giveaway" to his problem here.

posted February 07, 2012 11:43 AM            

VenusDeSirius, I'm trying to see if you can guess in what particular way he makes people feel bad? Like, can you imagine what this person is like and how your relationship with him might play out?

Maybe he's friendly, with all that Pisces, but....?

My apologies, I don't have a photobucket account and it'd be a bit of trouble for computer-illiterate me to post his chart.

And it doesn't mean that much, I'm just curious if anyone can guess why he doesn't have any long-term friends (except his wife).

posted February 07, 2012 12:58 PM            

How to post your chart… http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getannounce&ForumNumber=11&Start=2455736.99&End=2459389&Session=

posted February 08, 2012 06:19 AM            

March 2, 1978
Baltimore, Maryland

posted February 08, 2012 07:22 AM            

I'm almost positive his moon is Sag and that's where a lot of the trouble is, with moon-Neptune squaring all his Pisces planets and Jupiter.

I'll tell ya the whole story soon.

posted February 08, 2012 07:43 AM            

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If it is about deceiving,I wouldn't say he'd do it on purpose.. Maybe he just love fantasy world better? And self-deception. He is not out there to hurt somebody,just,je doesn't know better? Or knows/loves his fantasies too well to let go of them?

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OMG YES! Uncanny!!!! Goosebumps, you are proving astrology is true right now

Can you guess the nature of the fantasies that he *knows/loves* so well?

No pressure

posted February 08, 2012 12:11 PM            

But I'll just tell you...then if you think of it, please let me know if the houses still fit?

He's an extremely intelligent (genius) religious zealot.

He has emotionally rejected his birth family but is seeking to build a "spiritual family," a social/theocratic utopia (Libra north node maybe?)

When you first meet him, he usually seems friendly enough. If you appear interested in listening to him talk about the Bible, he can be extremely warm and accepting, presenting himself as your new best friend. He's so insightful and brilliant, you might be happy to have such a friend. He will write you extremely long letters (Jupiter Gemini) and the attention can be overwhelming.

But if you seem non-compliant with religion as he believes it ought to be practiced, he will earnestly beg you to reform your ways and write you more twenty page letters. Or invite you to look at his (monumentally verbose) website and expect you to have an educated/reformed view to discuss with him after you've read all of it.

And this is for matters that most people think are totally inconsequential.

No matter how many times he alienates close friends, he doesn't see (self-deceptive) that he is misleading anyone into friendship. So every time I hear from his wife, she's telling me they have new friends and the same hopes of establishing some kind of commune with them. And their old friends? Sadly, going to hell for adhering to "doctrines of devils."

Sheesh...

He doesn't want to be a cult leader, he thinks. But that's because he deceives himself...in reality, he devotes about 90% of his spare time to becoming the ultimate cult leader. His fantasy is that the world is going to convert and start behaving like Puritans.

I found this person difficult to deal with because with his south node in Aries, he seems so innocent and with all those water signs, you can sense when he's hurt. You can hurt him easily.

But his demands are impossible.
Maybe it's the Sagittarius (religious) twist on Pisces in his chart?

Anyway thank you for reading. And guessing!

posted February 08, 2012 01:22 PM            

Genius - Merc trine Ura,charming - Venus trine Mars ( I like to break chart down,like searching for pre-cause or something,bare with me)

How about Sag rising,with Moon/Nep conj,Nep risers do tread the mystic path... But,most importantly,Saturn would be in H9,which is very fitting,since Saturn gives dogmatic tendencies,and would handle matter with depth and devotion,also would be another marker for high intelligence. So,H4 Pisces stellium.(which would appeal to his utopian and puritan core notions) Asc ruler in Jupiter,MC in Merc.

Neptune as religious indication is common,but if in an active way,it would need incentive from other planets . Not much aspects-work around Jupiter or Pluto.
Whole chart is on Nep/Jup/Merc foundation.

posted February 08, 2012 02:37 PM            

What you said about his fantasy world and unintentional deceit WAS true!

I forgot to say, he has a lot of kids and is aiming for as many as possible. His children all bear the names of violent Biblical heroes...Aries & south node in the 5th makes sense

He married a Cancer and that could be in his 7th house with this scheme. Hmmm

Thank you for your help

posted February 08, 2012 03:16 PM            

Pluto would be in the 11th:

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With Pluto in the eleventh house, your friends are often the agents through which your personal growth and transformation—or the blocks to such growth—occur. They tend to be powerful and intense, and may suddenly leave and not be heard from for a long time if ever again.

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Sounds like "bingo!"

Edit: PPS And I'll bet he's got Uranus in the 1st house, too.

posted February 08, 2012 06:41 PM            

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He has emotionally rejected his birth family but is seeking to build a "spiritual family," a social/theocratic utopia (Libra north node maybe?)

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Since we you don't know his time, we cannot rely on houses. Moon conj neptune aspect relates to being rejected espec by mother...

Stellium in pisces are very caring,sympathetic, people. Sun square neptune

Sun square Neptune
"A square formed between the Sun and Neptune shows suffering from an inferiority complex. You feel that you must constantly defend your ideals and objectives. You may find yourself being undermined, or perceive this is the case. You are imaginative, but you may reject reality. It can be difficult for you to find an avenue of self-expression. It's hard for you to create a vision of exactly where you are going, because you underestimate your ability to succeed. You become involved when others lean on you and depend on you. You are sensitive to suffering, fond of animals, and more emotional than you let on. You are vulnerable emotionally. This aspect sometimes produces a lax in morality, bohemian tendencies, and many impractical and unrealistic ideas." http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susne

he has a lovely water grand trine
Grand trine http://en.wikipedia/.org/wiki/Grand_trine_(astrology)#Trine http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm http://www.strangehouse.com/aspect-configurations/index.php

Mercury Quincunx Pluto
“The compulsive side of your nature may lead you into being way out of control. Your judgment on circumstances (as well as yourself and others) can be so severe that you aren't able to make intelligent and consistent progress in life. Strive to be more trusting and less strict with yourself and your life is easier.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

“overwhelming sense of responsibility. You have been conditioned to accept all duties that are assigned to you as important tasks for your total development. You may also take on duties assigned to others because you cannot differentiate between their responsibilities and your own. You must avoid becoming involved in your co workers' tasks and learn to mind your own business. With this planetary combination, you are likely to get into disputes if you attempt to interfere with the way others perform their jobs. You have a genius for implicating yourself without realising it.”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

posted February 09, 2012 07:42 AM            

Venus, I had to concentrate for a long time and grow more creases in my brain to learn about that dispositer stuff. On wobbly feet, I kind of understand now.

Yes this man is very interesting. 'Glad you think so, I wouldn't want to waste anyone's time figuring out boring people.

He changed my life. Part of the reason is, he introduced me to several other freakishly intelligent, ultra-religious people. The "ring leader" for the group also had that genius aspect of Mercury(Cap) trine Uranus (Virgo), he had Moon and Venus in Pisces, trine Scorpio Neptune.

In short, I joined their "cult" for a few years, probably more out of personal magnetism factors than anything cerebral. And I was young and naive and probably suffering under weird transits.

Saggi MC:

Yes. He has that warm lovely Pisces stellium and Grand Trine but...

Sun square Neptune: "you may reject reality"

Mercury quincunx Pluto: "Your judgment on circumstances (as well as yourself and others) can be so severe that you aren't able to make intelligent and consistent progress in life. Strive to be more trusting and less strict with yourself"

posted February 09, 2012 08:25 AM            

in teenage years in can sometimes cause an identity crisis. Sun's energy is modified and changed by neptune, thereby more piscean in flavour again

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This person is one of the friendliest, most open-hearted people I've ever met, and also one of the coldest.

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One of THE coldest Asc signs is Cappi

sun square moon (possibly but moon is THE quickest moving) can suggest divorced parents and problems integrating male/female energies into the psyche. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susmo

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He has emotionally rejected his birth family but is seeking to build a "spiritual family," a social/theocratic utopia (Libra north node maybe?)

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You should research the outers in first house for someone to 'appear' cold

Basic astrology forum discussing Saturn in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000660.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Pluto in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000663.html

posted February 09, 2012 08:30 AM            

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But if you seem non-compliant with religion as he believes it ought to be practiced, he will earnestly beg you to reform your ways and write you more twenty page letters. Or invite you to look at his (monumentally verbose) website and expect you to have an educated/reformed view to discuss with him after you've read all of it.

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Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Neptune in this case in Cadent houses….

Pluto in 9th House - cadent
World travellers. Quite possibly some unusual events connected to foreigners and foreign countries. If not physically, then mentally higher learning. Will not tolerate hypocrisy.
Compulsive desire to study and to accept mental challenge. Desire to investigate foreign cultures. Religion at an in depth level. Indicates special interest in the Law and legalities higher education, moral philosophy.
Possibly even work at airport or dealing with foreign travel or foreign people.

If after explaining what the houses meaning you could ask this---

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira on astrologyweekly.com,

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There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"

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house meanings http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/houses.php http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-is-a-house-in-astrology.shtml http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarma&NewDirections.htm http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart.html http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology) http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_house2_e.htm http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm