posted August 21, 2011 11:18 AM            

As I mentioned in another thread, I'm finding astrology to be useful not in that it is an excuse for who I am, but an informative tool that helps me to handle who I am (for the benefit of all, lol).

In the same vein, I'm also interested in how to anticipate disaster - one might not be able to avoid the iceberg, but one can have a lifejacket and inflatable boat ready!

To that end - and if I should put this on the Personal Readings board, please let me know - here's my chart (with transits and progressions) from a day in my life when disaster struck. Looking back it wasn't a sudden disaster, but rather a slow rot that could be concealed and smoothed over, but this date was the date when it all boiled over. Where do I look in the chart to see this?

posted August 21, 2011 12:21 PM            

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted August 22, 2011 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
this might be too advanced for this forum, but if i were to guess (because i dont know how to predict things like that) i would look at anything between mars and pluto...mars being the planet of war and pluto being the planet of nuclear power

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posted August 22, 2011 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Did good ultimately come from this disaster?

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Hi Randall,

There were certainly some hard-won gains over the past three years, but it has been quite painful and nerve-wracking. I recognise that it had to happen for my own good and for the good of a few other people. The work is ongoing, for how long I have no idea. Maybe for as long as Pluto sits in my 4th house? I can't even contemplate that at the moment.

posted August 22, 2011 08:17 PM            

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SA = solar arc, T = transit, P = progressed, N = natal, I'll add in potential manifestations for each

You have a lot going on around this time in the late mutables, the crucial degree being 28 which is your natal MC.
---sa.Mars conj n.MC exact - mars on an angle can indicate violence or an accident
---t.Pluto conj n.IC exact - pluto on an angle can indicate transformation, pluto/ic is related to loss on the home or job front
---t.Pluto opp sa.Mars exact - mars/pluto is an indicator for violence/accident sometimes even death, v. strong feelings involved that needs action now
p.Pluto changed signs, it went from 0 Libra to 29 Virgo, another late mutable, around this time
---p.Pluto sq n.MC/IC axis, 1° - read pluto/angle
---p.Pluto conj n.Asc, 1°, important since it's now in the same sign - read pluto/angle
---p.Pluto sq t.Pluto, 1° - indicator for transformation
---p.Pluto opp sa.Mars, 1° - see mars/pluto above
Pluto could be associated with the slow burn you talked about.
Your n.Sun is also a late mutable altho farther off, and it had strong action around this time, in fact, it's your only natal planet in late mutable so this would be a trigger point,
---t.Pluto sq n.Sun, 3° - pluto/sun points to transformation, could be an indicator for loss of father
---sa.Mars sq n.Sun, 3° - mars/sun another violent indicator
Uranus is the planet of sudden change and it makes an appearance here, esp the Uranus/Mars as it doesn't have patience to let things sit around, it needs action and it is sudden,
---sa.Uranus opp n.Mars, 1° - something is happening *now*, change is needed and it won't wait, can be v.violent, all of a sudden, out of the blue occurrences
---t.Uranus conj n.Sun, 4° - the Sun needs to break out at this time, will not be hindered, sudden change as there's no other way for things to continue
---sa.Uranus trine n.Sun, 2° - like the above but will less insistence
Neptune is the planet of being blinded, not thinking clearly,
---t.Neptune sq n.Mars, exact - sought by police, drugs, alcohol, feeling unable to effect change, paranoia
---sa.Neptune sq n.Mercury, 2° - deception, lying or being lied to, confused thinking
---sa.Neptune sq n.Chiron, 1° - delusion leads to pain,
---n.Neptune trine p.Mercury, exact - deception to make ideas more palatable, to get yourself out of a bind
---sa.Neptune conj p.Jupiter, 3°
---sa.Neptune conj t.Jupiter, 2° - these 2 squared your natal Mercury, so maybe your hopeful thinking and optimism led you astray, or you were led to believe something good or something different was going to happen than what actually occurred, high spirits but it quickly set into feeling that you had completely misjudged the situation

indicator for potential violence, accident
Mars/Angle, Pluto/Angle, Sun/Mars, Sun/Uranus, Mars/Uranus, Mars/Pluto
indicator for sudden change
Pluto/Angle, Sun/Uranus, Mars/Uranus
indicator for transformation
Pluto/Angle, Sun/Pluto, Mars/Pluto

Natally you have Pluto conj Asc out of sign opp Sun/Moon, t.Pluto on IC and with all the hard aspects could indicate loss of a parent through accident or violence, with the sa.Mars on MC.
Your natal Mars is in the 8th, so Mars for you will carry connotations of transformation, sometimes death.
Your Sun like I said is opp Pluto so there's predisposition to feeling abandoned by the father, possibly, or at logger heads with him if he isn't 100% supportive.
Neptune is natally in the 3rd so there's already predisposition for muddled, but also creative, thinking, misinterpreting messages or deception.
Uranus is natally in the 1st so there's predisposition for needing your own way, being your own person, opp the Mercury in the 7th house of others leads to sudden disagreements, you will hear the other out but you are sensitive to their points disagreeing with yours.
^All of these natal factors went strongly into play that day since your Sun/Mars/Uranus/Neptune/Pluto were all triggered by transit, solar arc & progression.

If I had to make a guess, I think there was a death since Mars rules your 8th and is natally placed in the 8th and solar arc Mars that day was exact conjunct your MC opposed transit Pluto exact. Natally Pluto is opp Sun/Moon so if I had to guess it would be the death of one of your parents, prob the father since t.Uranus was conj your natal Sun and squaring solar arc Mars. Pluto rules your 3rd house of transportation so it could have been a car accident. Adding to that natal Mars that day was closely opposed to solar arc Uranus, another accident indicator. Uranus rules your 5th and is placed in the 1st. I guess it could also indicate the sudden death of a child. Or of course a major accident for you. As your Mercury is involved here and it rules your Asc the physical body and also your Asc is put into place here with the mutables it could also mean loss of limb, Pluto rules the 3rd after all and is placed in the 1st. Can you say what it was, for learning purposes.

ETA:
Just saw that solar arc Mercury, Asc and MC ruler, was conj natal Mars in the 8th, opposed solar arc Uranus.
So was there a big argument? Or a trauma to the head?

posted August 22, 2011 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by avocadosandwich:
I recognise that it had to happen for my own good and for the good of a few other people.

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posted August 22, 2011 09:54 PM            

Mars/Mercury
---n.Mars conj sa.Mercury, 1° off from being exact so it has passed it's meeting point but still valid ~ sudden arguments, migraines, accident to the head since merc rules your asc, also the mc so confrontations with authority perhaps, or even speaking in a very authoritative manner, these could take a few diff directions
---n.Mars sq t.Mercury, Mercury will conj it soon, it's now rx and 3° off, and then it will hit it again when it goes direct ~ arguments, spiteful thinking, there is some energy you need to get out, things that need to be said, but don't expect for others to welcome what you're telling them cos your manner can be brash, see the above mars/mercury as well. Mercury relates yo your physical body through Asc ruler, Mars relates to 8th house matters so keep that in mind while this is happening, this aspect is valid now and will be closer when t.Mars sq n.Uranus is exact so keep that in mind, from 8/25 or so to 9/8/11 will be times to watch for something from the past coming back.

Mars/Uranus
---t.Mars sq n.Uranus, not exact it's still 5° off, but will be exact sq on 8/29/11, and it will conj n.Uranus on 8/2/12 ~ accident/violence
---sa.Mars sq t.Uranus, Mars is at 2 cancer, uranus is 3 aries going Rx so within orb definitely, will be exact again @ 2 Aries from 9/15/11-10/9/11,exact again on 2/5/12-2/25/12, but will be in orb from now til early April 2012. It was last exact square from 4/16/11-5/5/11 so see if you can think what happened in that time to project into the future since the same issues will be coming back.

Mars/Saturn
---t.Mars conj sa.Saturn, 1° off from being exact so it has passed it's meeting point but still valid ~ frustrations, needing to accomplish something but it seems as if there are obstacles all around, keep your head down and focus to get through it, don't push yourself or others too hard

Mars/Neptune
---t.Mars sq sa.Neptune, 3° off from being exact so it has passed it's meeting point, you were going through this energy back then too ~ feeling no matter what effort you make it will be futile, paranoia, stuck in fantasies, etc. just be happy you don't have this natally

Mars/Pluto
---sa.Mars sq t.Pluto, 3° off from being exact so it has passed it's meeting point, it will be in orb for the rest of the yr, it was exact sq on 8/16/10-10/11/10, and it won't Rx again from Cap to square it.

posted August 22, 2011 11:10 PM            

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Capricorn sun
Scorpio AC
Leo MC
Aquarius Stellium 4H

posted August 23, 2011 09:38 AM            

Thank you so much for your detailed analysis - you must have spent a long time on my chart. I started working on my response last night, but it will take me a while longer. Actually, I'm writing two responses - one that explains everything to go to you personally (if that's OK), and another for the thread that answers the questions and shows the connections but doesn't make me feel like I'm standing in a spotlight.

posted September 04, 2011 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Hi avocadosandwich, are you still posting here? Was wondering about your thoughts as to my reply re:your situation. If you've sent me an e-mail, I'm afraid I haven't received it.

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Sorry Lonake, I've been AWOL. A lot has happened. I will email you soon, and post my general response. XO

posted September 04, 2011 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ OK, Sounds good.

Tenny, Yes they're the same p. and sa. The Sun stays and everything moves forward by the Sun's difference. You can do arcs for the rest as well.

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Thanks, I'm going to study on arcs to get a better handle on it

posted September 04, 2011 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by avocadosandwich:
I will email you soon, and post my general response. XO

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posted September 27, 2011 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Have you learned anything new?

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Not so much on archs, but I've gotten a better handle on dignity of planets... working on exaltation, fall, applying and separating. My studies/learning comes in waves I'm loving it though