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EmpressMendez
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posted May 11, 2012 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Empress, even if he has the most terrible chart ever like you say, you cannot do anything. This is HIS destiny, not yours. You cannot interfere. However, just because he has those planets in 12th, that doesnt mean he is doomed. His suffering will make him stronger and wiser. You probably read what someone said about packed 12th house people on being suicidal. That is NOT true. The chart seems bad but you should not forget progressions and transits. Those bring changes. Your son has a relationship karma. That doesnt mean he is doomed. Does mean he has to learn something from the relationship he hold with other people. The ruler goes in 6th house. The karma is related to his work. To overcome the problems seen in his chart, the best thing he can do is to work with people who suffer. He must see suffering in others to understand his. Social work is indicated. A job in a hospital is also required. I see him as a doctor. I understand your worry, you are a mother, and as every mother you hate to see your son suffering but it is in his destiny to face suffering and to learn something from it.

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I am guessing the DOB is around Aug. 27, 2006

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Astrology is nothing more than statistics. It is a tool that suggest the potential in human dynamics. It is a method of putting into words, the possible potentials that a person may have as an individual or, on how two or more individuals may interact with each other - with the operative word being "may". The results for any given person or persons will never be one hundred percent good and whatever results are given, do not represent an absolute given.

Parents who know astrological data about their children are in a better position to help their kids. Parents can use the data as constructive criticism and train their kids on how to take counter moves against negative potentials.

Harsh and stressful aspects are strong indicators that suggest that these individuals have a strong potential to defend themselves, just make sure as a parent, that they learn how to do this action within the guidelines of the rules and laws governing good behavior. Instill in them to always use common since.

The twelth house can also mean a behind the scene business power player. His MY trine P suggest that your son may have this capasicity. This aspect can help him keep his actions in check from the forces surrounding the aspects to his MR. Teach him to think before he acts and he may make you, even more proud of him.

It has been my observation that most aspect energy, surrounding kids, does not kick in until they are around 18 or 19 years old. This is when they have full control of their independent thoughts. Up until this time, most parents have the ability to mold their children into the people they would like their kids to be.

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His Sun is conjunct the ascendant, so I wouldn't really count it as in the twelfth. Does he demand far too much attention? This is a tricky one because you need to give him recognition and reassurance without spoiling him in the process. He'll be needing a hell of a lot of stability. My son has saturn in the 12th and he wont take no for an answer! He has a knack of making me feel very guilty sometimes but I know I have to be consistent with him.
Your son is lucky to have a parent like you who will come on here and voice your concerns, I have 12th house planets and to this day I don't think my parents acknowledge any of my problems.

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POSITIVES

He has H2 Moon, which could lead him to be sometimes indulgent and overspend. This could be for creature-comforts, since Moon is sextile Venus. But if he is more conscious of money and security, he will remain that way for his entire life. This position also indicates that one or both parents were focused on maintaining security for the child and providing them with a stable life.

Moon is trine Neptune which leads one to have a very compassionate emotional nature. It leads to an emotional self which is affected by tragedies, sadness and suffering of other human beings and in moderation this is a positive thing. Your son will be able to be empathetic since the trine is the dynamic positive connection versus the sextile which can be summoned in the self but is more passive.

H3 Jupiter in Scorpio is kinda cool because this allows one to have a probing, deep mentality which can result in personal gains and even an increase in luck as a result. H3 Jupiter trine H7 Uranus could maybe give him more insights on his partners, and give less of a chance of him getting duped or harmed from them since H7 Uranus is not ideal in terms of relationships with the opposite/same sex.


NEGATIVES

H6 Neptune could make his sicknesses difficult to diagnose. There could be a degree of mystery and/or anxiety concerning the health and day-to-day Virgoan functions, like keeping organized and taking care of meticulous details in the home and at the work place. I think a famous example of how H6 Neptune once manifested is Kurt Cobain. He had a weird dyspepsia his entire life and no doctor knew what the heck was wrong with him. Other things in his chart showed why he was dealing with a stomach issue, since Cancer Moon can lead to stomach issues. I'm not trying to freak you out either, just giving you a real life example to support this common belief about H6 Neptune. It could seriously be as simple as a weird reaction to medications or certain foods in his life or something and that's it.

H3 Jupiter square Neptune could lead to an overly day-dreamy personality that is not concrete enough to deal with the earthy facts of the real world. I'm saying this also because Neptune in the 6th can lead to this in itself. And H3 is of the mind.

H7 Uranus can be difficult as aforementioned because it can make the person who has it very into 'strange' partners, or just an unconventional partnership. To others this can seem weird; other people might call the H7 Uranus person's ideal type of man or woman weird, and they might not understand anything about their love nature. Having this could lead him to be more attracted to Venus in Aquarius types. But remember, H3 Jupiter trine Uranus will not let him be duped over or suffer easily from lack of logic and thought in such unconventional partnerships. He has laser insight into them and will not get the wool pulled over his eyes even if the partner or partnership it outside the norm. This placement of Uranus could lead to sudden erratic break-ups and a need for independence out of the blue.

Uranus is quincunx the Moon. This is leading me to believe that MAYBE - not definitely - something will happen in the childhood to make the child feel that his uniqueness was repressed, and therefore later in life he will drag all of it into areas of love and relating to other people. Or in general the emotional nature could suffer due to negative erratic and eccentric Uranian tendencies.

Venus conjunct Saturn can make one feel very lonely. Having Venus in hard aspect to Saturn can give wisdom and stability concerning love, but one might feel like they don't have enough companions in the early half of life.

NEUTRAL

Sun conjunct ASC can make one extremely noticeable. People are going to notice and listen to him for better or for worse. It can go either way. He can command attention respectfully and nobly or through shocking acts and shame. I say the latter because Sun and Uranus are in aspect through opposition, so he might have impulsive, outspoken tendencies that get him noticed. This isn't all bad though, since Sun sextile Pluto can give him a cool, appealing charisma and dark magic to the core identity. In other words, despite these erratic tendencies people could be very attracted and intrigued by him due to Pluto's influence. They won't cast him out for it, not always.

Mercury is in the mystic 29th degree in the 12th house. This can be a strange interpretation but I'll go ahead and give it a shot. The 29th degree can lead to a greater amount of wisdom but also weariness concerning the sign. Mercury in Leo can be detrimental but maybe in the 29th degree the determent of this can be lessened. Maybe his mentality will be slightly less Leonine in a bad way. Leo Mercury can make one too flamboyant and fiery in their mental expression, leading to self-defensiveness and arrogance at times. I know someone with this placement and it can definitely make them this way.

Your son having Leo Mercury in the 29th could mean he has already mastered the lessons of Leo Mercury and could have slightly more mental self-restraint. With these lessons mastered so easily from such a young age, the question is: how will he learn to USE and APPLY them effectively throughout his life? Sometimes it's better to master a planet's energy like a steady climb from the bottom of the stairs to the top. Throughout our young lives we begin closer to the bottom or maybe near the middle if we are luckier and more mature, and then by adulthood and middle age we are able to contently reach the top of the stairs, therefore mastering the energy of the climb. BUT, when we are already AT the top when we are so young, we have a massive amount of experience that we might feel isn't even ours. It can be anxiety-inducing and overwhelming. And at a young age, it's easier to lose our balance and fall down those stairs.


I hope this offered some insights.

My final word on this chart? It is NOT the worst birth chart ever. For many negatives there is a positive to balance it out. Even the worst things can bring wisdom and power, like the Venus-Saturn in the 12th. Although this might be a big challenge to him, through life's trials he will overcome and rise above it and grow stronger as a result. I would also like to comment that even positive birth charts do NOT always immediately belie the difficulties and suffering of one's life. At a first glance my birth chart is seen as more positive than negative; but upon closer inspection you will see it really isn't, despite only have 4 hard aspects and no quincunxes. I was abused, and had a terrible time with my identity. This isn't shown immediately based off of a first glance at what would seem like a "good" chart. Also, as others have mentioned, you can't always rely so heavily on astrology to predict if someone will have a bad life.

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I read before that charts with easy aspects such as tribes n grand trine etc. means harmonious flow of energy n perhaphs an easy life. But it also means that the person will not achieve much in life cos everything is easy n the native has lack of motivations to dynamic action needed for great achievements. Some difficult combinations like T square or Grand square provides strong motivations n ambition n the path they have laid before them as in their charts makes them wiser n stronger over time.

I respect ppl who overcome adversities much more than ppl who has everything effortlessly.

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posted May 12, 2012 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 12, 2012 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys are great. I'm feeling much better about his birth chart and will reply to each post and address all details you all provided.

Thanks for the warm welcome guys! Yesterday I cried because his teachers made the mistake of forgetting him in a classroom by himself while there was a practice fire drill (he was punished) and I'm sure it traumatized him since he was found crying by the school's principal and banging on the door. It broke my heart thanks to all and I will address each post individually.

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posted May 13, 2012 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 13, 2012 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Empress, even if he has the most terrible chart ever like you say, you cannot do anything. This is HIS destiny, not yours. You cannot interfere.

I understand, but I want to be there for him in any way that I can to somewhat alleviate I'm sure there is something I could do no matter how small.
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However, just because he has those planets in 12th, that doesnt mean he is doomed. His suffering will make him stronger and wiser. You probably read what someone said about packed 12th house people on being suicidal. That is NOT true. The chart seems bad but you should not forget progressions and transits. Those bring changes. Your son has a relationship karma. That doesnt mean he is doomed. Does mean he has to learn something from the relationship he hold with other people. The ruler goes in 6th house. The karma is related to his work. To overcome the problems seen in his chart, the best thing he can do is to work with people who suffer. He must see suffering in others to understand his. Social work is indicated. A job in a hospital is also required. I see him as a doctor.

That would be great if he becomes a doctor or something along those lines. We will definitely try to encourage him toward that route of course in the end it's his choice. He has mentioned that he wants to be a fire fighter but I'm sure that's only a kid phase.
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I understand your worry, you are a mother, and as every mother you hate to see your son suffering but it is in his destiny to face suffering and to learn something from it.

Yes. It also feels that something will happen to me that will affect him greatly. Seeing Pluto in the 4th house and The Moon in 2nd which is usually the mother and the 2nd house not only being about money, but also about hoarding or holding onto something dearly makes me feel like I will be missing at a point in his life where he will need me the most. Just a feeling I get...

Thank you for your interpretation

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posted May 13, 2012 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by slowpoke:
I am guessing the DOB is around Aug. 27, 2006

Disclaimer:
Astrology is nothing more than statistics. It is a tool that suggest the potential in human dynamics. It is a method of putting into words, the possible potentials that a person may have as an individual or, on how two or more individuals may interact with each other - with the operative word being "may". The results for any given person or persons will never be one hundred percent good and whatever results are given, do not represent an absolute given.


Thank you just like Tarot

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Parents who know astrological data about their children are in a better position to help their kids. Parents can use the data as constructive criticism and train their kids on how to take counter moves against negative potentials.

That is exactly what I am aiming for

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Harsh and stressful aspects are strong indicators that suggest that these individuals have a strong potential to defend themselves, just make sure as a parent, that they learn how to do this action within the guidelines of the rules and laws governing good behavior. Instill in them to always use common since.

The twelth house can also mean a behind the scene business power player. His MY trine P suggest that your son may have this capasicity. This aspect can help him keep his actions in check from the forces surrounding the aspects to his MR. Teach him to think before he acts and he may make you, even more proud of him.


That will be a challenge so far he likes doing his own thing and stands out greatly among his peers. Very popular and social everyone in the school know his name..even the parents. At times he asks me "mom how does that girl know my name?" heheh..
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It has been my observation that most aspect energy, surrounding kids, does not kick in until they are around 18 or 19 years old. This is when they have full control of their independent thoughts. Up until this time, most parents have the ability to mold their children into the people they would like their kids to be.

Slowpoke


And I truly hope his father and I can achieve that so he doesn't have to suffer as much as he *has* to.

Thank you so much for your interpretation. It lifted my spirits

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posted May 13, 2012 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Wild-flower:
His Sun is conjunct the ascendant, so I wouldn't really count it as in the twelfth. Does he demand far too much attention? This is a tricky one because you need to give him recognition and reassurance without spoiling him in the process. He'll be needing a hell of a lot of stability. My son has saturn in the 12th and he wont take no for an answer! He has a knack of making me feel very guilty sometimes but I know I have to be consistent with him.
Your son is lucky to have a parent like you who will come on here and voice your concerns, I have 12th house planets and to this day I don't think my parents acknowledge any of my problems.

Yes his sun is in the 1st house that's what I originally thought but he does have 3 other planets in the 12th and the rest of the chart doesn't seem too positive. Yes he does demand a lot of attention and in school he gets a lot of it. He is constantly in trouble and he is just a big clown always has attention everyone in the school know who he is, the parents, the teachers, the kids..a lot of these people he doesn't know himself..

Aw thank you! I try because like you my parents were not really there for me as a kid they were pretty much strangers to me. My grandmother took care of me during my childhood. I remember when my mother insisted on finally moving me in with my father and her when I was around 2 or 3 and I couldn't deal with that so I had to be returned to my grandmother until the age of 7 where she decided I just had to be with my grandmother so she decided to move in with us. I remember feeling very awkward with my parents growing up. So this is why I want my children to have the type of parental love that I wasn't able to have. I want them to be happy and just have a happy and unified family with a normal mother and father .

Thank you for your reading and kind words

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posted May 13, 2012 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
POSITIVES

He has H2 Moon, which could lead him to be sometimes indulgent and overspend. This could be for creature-comforts, since Moon is sextile Venus. But if he is more conscious of money and security, he will remain that way for his entire life. This position also indicates that one or both parents were focused on maintaining security for the child and providing them with a stable life.



We definitely strive for that. As young parents I believe we are doing a pretty decent job at it so far.
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Moon is trine Neptune which leads one to have a very compassionate emotional nature. It leads to an emotional self which is affected by tragedies, sadness and suffering of other human beings and in moderation this is a positive thing. Your son will be able to be empathetic since the trine is the dynamic positive connection versus the sextile which can be summoned in the self but is more passive.

I feel that he is compassionate already. He is very loving toward his sibling and never felt that he could cause harm. He takes care of people and always seems worried or concern if something goes wrong or if someone seems sad
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H3 Jupiter in Scorpio is kinda cool because this allows one to have a probing, deep mentality which can result in personal gains and even an increase in luck as a result. H3 Jupiter trine H7 Uranus could maybe give him more insights on his partners, and give less of a chance of him getting duped or harmed from them since H7 Uranus is not ideal in terms of relationships with the opposite/same sex.

I truly hope you're right lol

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NEGATIVES

H6 Neptune could make his sicknesses difficult to diagnose. There could be a degree of mystery and/or anxiety concerning the health and day-to-day Virgoan functions, like keeping organized and taking care of meticulous details in the home and at the work place. I think a famous example of how H6 Neptune once manifested is Kurt Cobain. He had a weird dyspepsia his entire life and no doctor knew what the heck was wrong with him. Other things in his chart showed why he was dealing with a stomach issue, since Cancer Moon can lead to stomach issues.
I'm not trying to freak you out either, just giving you a real life example to support this common belief about H6 Neptune. It could seriously be as simple as a weird reaction to medications or certain foods in his life or something and that's it.


Ahhhhh so true! He is lactose intolerant so no dairy. He's very picky and he doesn't like candy or sodas .. hardly any junk food (his choice) so yes he pretty much is on a diet, but he enjoys eating healthy although very picky. This is so right!

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H3 Jupiter square Neptune could lead to an overly day-dreamy personality that is not concrete enough to deal with the earthy facts of the real world. I'm saying this also because Neptune in the 6th can lead to this in itself. And H3 is of the mind.

Very true he doesn't like to focus much in school but he is intelligent and usually surpasses most children..however he is always getting into trouble his behavior distracts the other kids because he is not focused enough. He just wants to play and have fun and to him everything is a big happy party..heh..he also enjoys computer games and technology of course we moderate this heavily.

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H7 Uranus can be difficult as aforementioned because it can make the person who has it very into 'strange' partners, or just an unconventional partnership. To others this can seem weird; other people might call the H7 Uranus person's ideal type of man or woman weird, and they might not understand anything about their love nature. Having this could lead him to be more attracted to Venus in Aquarius types. But remember, H3 Jupiter trine Uranus will not let him be duped over or suffer easily from lack of logic and thought in such unconventional partnerships. He has laser insight into them and will not get the wool pulled over his eyes even if the partner or partnership it outside the norm. This placement of Uranus could lead to sudden erratic break-ups and a need for independence out of the blue.

Interesting. I think I understand where he is coming from I also find myself attracted to strange people. Lol.

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Uranus is quincunx the Moon. This is leading me to believe that MAYBE - not definitely - something will happen in the childhood to make the child feel that his uniqueness was repressed, and therefore later in life he will drag all of it into areas of love and relating to other people.

Or in general the emotional nature could suffer due to negative erratic and eccentric Uranian tendencies.



Oh so true. I feel like he is already going through this in school since they are very strict. He likes to make the other kids laugh but I guess he does it in inappropriate times
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Venus conjunct Saturn can make one feel very lonely. Having Venus in hard aspect to Saturn can give wisdom and stability concerning love, but one might feel like they don't have enough companions in the early half of life.

Aww I do feel like he feels this way at times. He is always wanting his cousins to come over and play and always inviting himself to other kids house or inviting kids to our house

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NEUTRAL

Sun conjunct ASC can make one extremely noticeable. People are going to notice and listen to him for better or for worse. It can go either way. He can command attention respectfully and nobly or through shocking acts and shame. I say the latter because Sun and Uranus are in aspect through opposition, so he might have impulsive, outspoken tendencies that get him noticed. This isn't all bad though, since Sun sextile Pluto can give him a cool, appealing charisma and dark magic to the core identity. In other words, despite these erratic tendencies people could be very attracted and intrigued by him due to Pluto's influence. They won't cast him out for it, not always.


Lol yes. Everyone in the school knows him. He is popular with everyone, students, parents, teachers..everyone knows who he is and parents often say hi to him when they see him after school. Kids who are in 1st grade know who he is and he doesn't know them. They say hi to him and they are strangers to him lol. His current teacher is at her wit's end because he is her toughest student. Doesn't listen and is very distracting..class clown. He also gets a lot of attention in other subject areas such as chess and science where he excels the teachers love him. Very true!

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Mercury is in the mystic 29th degree in the 12th house. This can be a strange interpretation but I'll go ahead and give it a shot. The 29th degree can lead to a greater amount of wisdom but also weariness concerning the sign. Mercury in Leo can be detrimental but maybe in the 29th degree the determent of this can be lessened. Maybe his mentality will be slightly less Leonine in a bad way. Leo Mercury can make one too flamboyant and fiery in their mental expression, leading to self-defensiveness and arrogance at times. I know someone with this placement and it can definitely make them this way.

Your son having Leo Mercury in the 29th could mean he has already mastered the lessons of Leo Mercury and could have slightly more mental self-restraint. With these lessons mastered so easily from such a young age, the question is: how will he learn to USE and APPLY them effectively throughout his life? Sometimes it's better to master a planet's energy like a steady climb from the bottom of the stairs to the top. Throughout our young lives we begin closer to the bottom or maybe near the middle if we are luckier and more mature, and then by adulthood and middle age we are able to contently reach the top of the stairs, therefore mastering the energy of the climb. BUT, when we are already AT the top when we are so young, we have a massive amount of experience that we might feel isn't even ours. It can be anxiety-inducing and overwhelming. And at a young age, it's easier to lose our balance and fall down those stairs.


Very true (read above) I don't believe his has completely mastered it yet although he is getting there quite fast since the school demands discipline and order

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I hope this offered some insights.

My final word on this chart? It is NOT the worst birth chart ever. For many negatives there is a positive to balance it out. Even the worst things can bring wisdom and power, like the Venus-Saturn in the 12th. Although this might be a big challenge to him, through life's trials he will overcome and rise above it and grow stronger as a result. I would also like to comment that even positive birth charts do NOT always immediately belie the difficulties and suffering of one's life. At a first glance my birth chart is seen as more positive than negative; but upon closer inspection you will see it really isn't, despite only have 4 hard aspects and no quincunxes. I was abused, and had a terrible time with my identity. This isn't shown immediately based off of a first glance at what would seem like a "good" chart. Also, as others have mentioned, you can't always rely so heavily on astrology to predict if someone will have a bad life.


Thanks so much for your detailed and extremely insightful reading. It was highly accurate to the point where it's kind of shocking lol. Thank you so much for this!

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posted May 13, 2012 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I read before that charts with easy aspects such as tribes n grand trine etc. means harmonious flow of energy n perhaphs an easy life. But it also means that the person will not achieve much in life cos everything is easy n the native has lack of motivations to dynamic action needed for great achievements. Some difficult combinations like T square or Grand square provides strong motivations n ambition n the path they have laid before them as in their charts makes them wiser n stronger over time.

I respect ppl who overcome adversities much more than ppl who has everything effortlessly.


I hope his is balanced out and that he thrives I just don't want it to be almost all negative. I'm hoping for a balance lol thank you

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