posted May 19, 2012 02:23 PM            

It is probably too wide for a stellium of Venus, Mars and Sun.
But I found that Venus on the ASC intriguing as well as the stuffed 1st house including nearly all personal planets (except for Moon).

posted May 19, 2012 03:46 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Hera:
He's getting to you isn't he?

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I`ll be damned, but good Lord, yes he is.

I don`t want to say too much though, as I want an uninfluenced assessment.

posted May 19, 2012 07:19 PM            

With mercury in the first, your communication with each other is again highlighted. You seem to think as if with the same brain and have many opinions in common. However, moon in the third means you will probably end up talking about your feelings a lot, rather than intellectual subjects.

Neptune in the 1st house is not a good placement and means neither of you is sure what the purpose of your relationship is or where it's heading. It kind of gives the opposite effect of sun or moon trine saturn which means you guys would be able to depend on each other and you know where the relationship is headed exactly and what kind of role you can expect from each other. Which, you are lucky because the stellium in the first is all trine to saturn. That pretty much should cure a lot of the negative effects of the neptune in this composite/synastry. Though it wont completely eliminate it. You will find yourselves wanting to escape reality often and be in a dream world.

Venus in the first means you guys liked each other from the very first time you met and as you got to know each other you liked each other even more and more. It is a VERY favorable aspect to have in the composite.

This will be a relationship that stands out to you because of all the rare placements you guys have in both synastrty and composite. You have a ton of conjunctions in synastry, including sun conjunct mercury, venus and neptune which is not all that common and very very nice, as well as moon square venus in both composite and synastry so you love each other very deeply and the attraction between you is very strong. A wave of tender feelings pours over you when you see each other, and you yearn to nurture, coddle, and protect each other. In the composite you don't exactly have a love stellium, but it is very close. It will feel very similar to a love stellium. Sun conjunct mercury which is then conjunct venus. And you know, as usual what I say about planets all being clustered togethe r in the composite, especially in the first house, and with venus mars, and mercury in the first house as well as moon in the 3rd it shows a strong connection between you like there is a telepathic cord uniting you. Mars in the 1st means you will be yourselves with each other. I didnt mention this, but you also have DW moon-pluto aspects. One is a trine and the other is an opposition. That means you connect deeply and it'll be hard to forget each other.

No negative saturn aspects, and no saturn aspects in synastry! hurray! that means you wont repress each other!

This looks like it would be a splendid relationship. And seems almost magical and hard to believe.

I think liz greene describes it well:

There is a certain emotional disharmony between you and Xceri in particular areas which can create certain difficulties in the relationship. The ambivalent nature of the feelings you arouse [...]

The dramatic and energetic qualities of your partner's personality have a way of making you genuinely like her. She inspires great tolerance and generosity in you, and you are likely to want [...]

Sometimes it may seem as though some strange telepathic cord exists between you and Xceri, for you may often find yourself articulating what she feels without any prompting. You can give shape [...]

The keynote of your relationship with Xceri is vitality. This quality of raw dynamic energy which is generated between the two of you has many different facets and could take many different [...]

The dynamic and sometimes combative energy of your relationship is given a further injection of fuel by another element within it - a longing toward distant mental and physical horizons which [...]

Your Relationship and Yourself
The dynamic energy inherent in the relationship is likely to give a great boost to your self-confidence and the pursuit of your individual goals. This partnership has a way of making you feel [...]

Your Relationship and Your Partner
This partnership is likely to be very sexually fulfilling for Xceri. Its romantic qualities are highly exciting to her, and not only because of the passion which is aroused in her; the relationship [...]

posted May 20, 2012 09:45 AM            

I hope you donīt mind if I express some thoughts I had when reading it.

" The mars-mercury-sun stellium is pretty unromantic and denotes energetic chemistry and witty conversation between you."
I definitely could see that.
The way his mind works is very stimulating mentally for me (I guess this is the summary of the DW conjunction of Mars and Mercury we have in synastry, with Mercury being DESC-ruler for both of us - as such this is very appealing to me, as I always need "input" and feel drawn to those who can stimulate me this way).

"But since neptune is in there, it is very romantic, and asexual. There is a big theme of asexuality in this with a lot of neptune both in the composite and in the synastry. "
Well, Iw ouldn`t call it asexual, rather platonic, but probably denotes the same thing.

I noticed that as well, and yet I found it interesting that there is such a balance there.
There is this platonic/ spiritual Note with Neptune, and then almost as to counteract it there is a Sun-Mars conjunction in both composite and synastry and Mars-Moon and Mars-ASC in synastry as well. lol

There is a theme of overidealisation and spirituality and yes, un-realism (with Neptune) there, and then all of this is trined by Saturn, keeping it all a bit more grounded.
Of course Saturn to Sun, Mars, Mercury would be a bit boring, but then again Neptune there as well as the inclusion of Mars makes it anything but boring. lol

I thought it was an incredibly balanced composite in this regard. Not that this is always a good thing. lol

"ou have composite venus conjunct mars"
Would you still count it with that orb?
8 degree for conjunction is okay?

"Either way, this connection is not very sexual."
No, it isn`t. Don`t get me wrong the guy is "hot", but weirdly that is not what spoke to me. I liked him when I heard him speak, you could say.
There is a great deal of admiration for his practical idealistic spiritual side.

"including sun conjunct mercury, venus and neptune "
We have?
Are you counting that 10 degree distance between his Sun/Neptune and my Venus?

"on this, but you also have DW moon-pluto aspects."
Yes,I was wondering about that one.

Usually my synastries have to have a Venus/Pluto or Mars/Pluto aspect to even get on my radar. lol
This one doesnīt have it (though in the composite Mars sextiles Pluto and his Mars/Pluto midpoint and my Venus/Pluto-midpoint are exactly conj. each other, but I usually do not consider midpoints aspecting each other, though in this case my Venus triggers both widely. His Venus is also contraparallel and semisextile my Pluto, but all of that are just minor things I think.).

Anyway I was thinking that maybe the Moon-Pluto-DW caught my attention this time around.

BTW I actually have the full reading of Liz Greene. I really like the style of these readings. I generally resonate with them, even though most of the time I would not have used these big orbs. lol

posted May 20, 2012 01:37 PM            

I dont think it was the DW moon/pluto that drew you to him since the moon opposite pluto in synasrtry is almost at 5 degree orb hahahaha. What it was was this crazy composite and synastry!!

Yes, funny how everything balances each other, right

The composite saturn trines balance out the neptune, especially it being in the first house (eek not good). And the moon trine mars and composite venus conjunct mars balance out the platonicness of neptune a bit, like you said.

posted May 20, 2012 02:13 PM            

And the some progressions.
Funnily in the progressed composite there is currently a Venus-Mars conjunction, though it is already separating.

And in the progressed synastry we have:
pr Moon exactly conjunct each other
this pr Moon opposes our synastric Sun/Mars-conjunction
his pr Venus conjunct my Mars
his pr Sun on my Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex
his pr ASC conjunct my natal Venus

and the pr composite ASC itself is conjunct my Venus and currently Pluto is moving back and forth over it. lol

posted May 20, 2012 04:50 PM            

As a matter of fact no matter how great a composite or synasry looks like, if there wasn`t simultaneious progressions in place, I haven`t seen taking relationships off.
It`s like all this potential lies dormant, until a progression comes and wakes it up. Strange.

WAnna see a somewhat tragic composite?

You see why I say it is "tragic"?

posted May 20, 2012 05:05 PM            

But to my surprise I even predicted the break up of a celebrity couple (talking to a friend) right down to the month!
Maybe it was just coincidence. But I saw that their "love progression" consisted on their pr Venus being conjunct each other (one of the sweetest love progressions according to Paul Westran).
His Venus is direct though, and her Venus is retograde, and I predicted the break up for the time when the conjunction was separating about one degree, especially since I saw that Tr Pluto was transiting over their Sun at that time, indicating a change in status (could have been a marriage as well, b ut not with a separating love progression ).

They were having quite an intense synastry and composite, for example synastric Moon-Pluto conjunction, Mars-Pluto-conjunction,

A love stellium in composite
Mercury on 4 Cap, Sun on 7 Cap and Venus on 10 Cap.

Another nice set of Jupiter, Neptune, Moon from 11-17 Sagittarius, trine Saturn.

posted May 20, 2012 05:06 PM            

Neptune exact conjunct ascendant
Mars in scopio in the 12th inconjunct Saturn in the 7th in a tight orb which would seem to a secret/hidden/private but passionate romance/affair suggesting a denial of marriage with saturn although perhaps retrograde suggests a changing of the mind.

Saturn square pluto
Saturn opposite venus, sun, nnode

posted May 20, 2012 05:14 PM            

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WAnna see a somewhat tragic composite?

You see why I say it is "tragic"?

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lmao! You have learned well, Ceri.

Good job. It's not that bad though, worse would be if uranus and neptune were also opposing the stellium. Well, yes yes, it is bad. I'm just saying it could be Worse! haha.

Is this someone you know? There is sexual attraction there with composite sun square pluto. Maybe a story of unrequited love?

Wow....oookay...I am definitely going to look at that progressed synastry stuff now. Google searches and tutorials and everything. I want to predict when people will hook up and break up! That's the missing link!

posted May 20, 2012 05:17 PM            

Funny how i also said up there that neptune in the 1st is just terrible

posted May 21, 2012 03:29 AM            

thank you for your input.

"Mars in scopio in the 12th inconjunct Saturn in the 7th in a tight orb"
Thanks for pointing that out. For some reason I never seen it before. lol

"Looks like an amazing composite until you start looking at the outer planets."
Exactly.

posted May 21, 2012 03:33 AM            

I`ve gotten Liz Greene`s book on composite on friday, and have already worked it through. Very interesting.

on progressed synastry, this is a good point to start.

posted May 21, 2012 04:02 AM            

In a way it is too "archetypical". Like from a Greek tragedy or something like that.

"ome stelliums being ruined by outer planets is that there is unrequited love"
I donīt think a composite can reflect unrequited love per se.
the reason being that per definition the composite is the chart of the relationship, and their "shared expression of energies".

Waht this Saturn tells clearly though is that there is a blockage inbuilt in this connection. What the reason for that blockage is, could be unrequited love, could be something else.

Saturn is in the 7th house and the 7th house deals (among other things) with partnerships, and the OTHER.
Sicne the composite is already a chart of the relationship between two people, the 7th house indicates how they relate to the outside world, to others.
With Saturn being there, their union would be met with criticism and rejection from the outside world.
Of course the 7th house really is about a person (or a couple) sees its environment, what they let come through and acknowledge, so our couple here would be prone to be very sensitive to any rejection-scenario. it is the typical situation they expect to encounter.
It?s like there is a mental, emotional and romantic connection at the basis of the connection (1st house is the identity of any person or relationship), but they donīt expect it to manifest in the "real world" (hence Neptune exactly on ASC!).

Saturn is also conjunct SN, with SN ruler being conjunct Moon and Venus in 1st house.
it seems like karmic baggage from the past (either from shared past life experiences or from each one`s individual past). The affection and emotional connection stems from the past, but at the same time so does the expectation and "seeking" of obstacles, blockages thwarting any kinds of hopes for a relationship-future.
Saturn there is like the real big "Nay-sayer".

The situation is even more tensed as Pluto is squaring the Sun-Saturn-opposition, which runs along the nodal axis. Pluto comes from the 12th house and sits on the MC, the purpose, of this connection.
Mars is also in 12th house. And this definitely tells a story in terms of past lives (at least it is telling me a story), where any kind of union was being thwarted by society-conditions, a powerful influence of society on a possible union. Maybe in form of a war (Pluto-Mars-Saturn interaction).

What it should develop into is being found in the NN and its ruler. here the ruler is in Aquarius in 2nd house, unaspected. I guess liberation and freedom is a big theme here.

Also, it is the "cure" for the Sun/NN-Saturn/SN-opposition, as Uranus sextiles/trines this opposition, whcih is in dialogue with the chartruler and NN-ruler in Aquarius.

Liberation. Independence. Even detachment.
Uranus in the 10th house and in Libra.

Well, I was saying you cannot read unrequited love in a composite chart.
That is not entirely right though.
The compositechart itself does not tell about unrequited love.

BUT it does, too, when you check for tight conjunctions to the important composite angles and planets (angles, nodal axis, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars and maybe Saturn especially).

If someone has strong connections to the composite chart, while the other hasn`t, this often is a case of unrequited love. Or at least a certain inequality in terms of attachment to the connection.

Here in this case we have:

Composite ASC:
conjunct his Neptune
conjunct his ASC
conjunct her Neptune
conjunct her ASC
conjunct her NN

composite MC:
conjunct his Pluto
conjunct his MC
conjunct her Pluto
conjunct her MC

composite Sun:
(conjunct her Vesta exact)

composite Moon:
conjunct his Mercury
conjunct her Mercury
widely conjunct her Sun

composite Venus:
widely conj. his Mercury
conjunct her Sun and Mercury tightly

composite Mars:
(conjunct his Juno)
(conjunct her Amor)

composite chartruler:
conjunct her Moon

composite NN:
conjunct her Sun and Mercury

Even though both connect to the composite chart, you can see that her ties to it are MUCH stronger. So in this case I think yes, it could very well be a case of unrequited love.

Interestingly composite Uranus (the "cure")
is exactly conjunct his Moon, which is conjunct Uranus natally.

Of course all of this is just theoretical. An exercise in terpretation.