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lyecry
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posted May 25, 2012 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been reading about Leo suns and Leo moons and venus on this site. And I must say that I get kind of hurt yet confused but the things that are said. My Leo sun, moon, venus, and jupiter are all in the 10th house and yet my WHOLE life I've been a shy chick. I was a very shy child very good at hiding and minding my own business. I'm still shy. I HATE needy women in relationships. And being attached to a man isn't very important to me. I've even had a guy who was trying to date me say "Gee, is having a man even important to you". I'm 32 and never had a boyfriend. Sexual relations; yes. But a real boyfriend in a relationship; NEVER.I even waited till I was 25 to lose my virginity. I have a Virgo friend with a Gemini moon who is more attention needy than I am. She got on my nerves so much that I've dropped her as a friend. I feel for her boyfriend. BTW My career ain't even all that right now so that's that with the 10th house career BS. I have a marketing degree, but I waste it working in retail.

Me in a nutshell. I'm a total INFP personality type. I come home surf the net, I block people out at work with my headphones. I daydream A LOT. I don't have any close friends. And I hate talking on the phone. I am reserved and VERY analytical. I don't jump head first into anything unless it is to keep the peace. I also hide a lot of my emotions.

This whole situation makes me have a love/ hate relationship with astrology.


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posted May 25, 2012 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love-hate relationship with astrology? Oh, no! We can't have that. Plus, I love a challenge.

First off, are you 100% correct this is your birthtime? If not, I have a very easy answer for you. Otherwise, we'll investigate further.

I'm on the case!

-A.

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posted May 25, 2012 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lye, you ask and you are also the one who gives the answers. You chose the wrong career. You werent born to SERVE but to be SERVED. That Leo stellium in 10th house requires a self employement job with leadership.Usually these people are super ambitious. Its their pride go higher and higher. I am amazed how you can be shy with Leo stellium. Scorpio Ascendant makes you reserved and with ruler in 12th house even more.7th house and 8th house are empty. Sex and marriage or relationships are not important when these houses are empty. Mars in Cancer in 9th house. Also in Fall. I hope you didnt lose your virginity feeling ashamed or pressured by others. That boyfriend you want and need is also found in the 10th house. He is not an ordinary person. He is someone influent, a bussinessman or a well known person. You never had a boyfriend because you lived in the wrong enviroment. Its not too late, you know. You are only 33. To be honest with you, I envy you. That Leo stellium can make you achieve a great success and fame in your career. I am shy too, my chart looks similar to yours. But I started to have confidence in myself and I am on the right path. Shyness will not help you. Focus also on your passions and hobbies. Discover your talents and make them true.

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posted May 25, 2012 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, 11:57am Cleveland, OH

May I add that I hate being the center of attention because people judge so harshly. I don't want to be the center of such harsh judgement. It would kill me.

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posted May 25, 2012 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Lye, you ask and you are also the one who gives the answers. You chose the wrong career. You werent born to SERVE but to be SERVED. That Leo stellium in 10th house requires a self employement job with leadership.Usually these people are super ambitious. Its their pride go higher and higher. I am amazed how you can be shy with Leo stellium. Scorpio Ascendant makes you reserved and with ruler in 12th house even more.7th house and 8th house are empty. Sex and marriage or relationships are not important when these houses are empty. Mars in Cancer in 9th house. Also in Fall. I hope you didnt lose your virginity feeling ashamed or pressured by others. That boyfriend you want and need is also found in the 10th house. He is not an ordinary person. He is someone influent, a bussinessman or a well known person. You never had a boyfriend because you lived in the wrong enviroment. Its not too late, you know. You are only 33. To be honest with you, I envy you. That Leo stellium can make you achieve a great success and fame in your career. I am shy too, my chart looks similar to yours. But I started to have confidence in myself and I am on the right path. Shyness will not help you. Focus also on your passions and hobbies. Discover your talents and make them true.

Rosalind I'd like to know more about you and your chart, and how you've came into who you are today since we have similar charts.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lyecry:
Rosalind I'd like to know more about you and your chart, and how you've came who you are today since we have similar charts.


At the moment I am nobody. My chart has planets in 9th and 10th house showing success and (maybe)fame. I chose also the wrong career. My chart says career as an self employee in arts and writing and I have a diploma in Economy. I am jobless because of that but I am working on my first book and even its hard I don't give up. I know that this is my destiny and this is what I want to do.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
At the moment I am nobody. My chart has planets in 9th and 10th house showing success and (maybe)fame. I chose also the wrong career. My chart says career as an self employee in arts and writing and I have a diploma in Economy. I am jobless because of that but I am working on my first book and even its hard I don't give up. I know that this is my destiny and this is what I want to do.

LOL!!! That is sooo funny because I want to write a graphic novel. THAT IS MY DREAM. Please don't judge me for my bad grammar in my original post (so much for wanting to be a writer, eh?...lol) But yeah, I do wanna write and draw. But it is going to take a lot of hard work and effort.

What a coincidence...lol 10th house slacker writers...lol

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posted May 25, 2012 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lyecry,

I'm feeling NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with your chart as it currently stands. This is NOT your 10H Leo stellium, because, frankly, you sound like me during the absolute worst period (2003-2009) of my life. Your Leo stellium (like my Scorpio stellium) is taking the brunt of it, but this is NOT the cause.

I'm going to run your chart in a separate programme with some additional details and see what's going on here. I'm kind of astounded how similar we are.

Incidentally, I'm an ENXX who switches over to ISTJ when absolutely everything is failing me. (I'm 31).

-A.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow you're like me , I have a stellium in a fire sign. Fire signs are supposed to be outgoing & all but I am the most quiet, reserved shy person out there.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
lyecry,

I'm feeling NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with your chart as it currently stands. This is NOT your 10H Leo stellium, because, frankly, you sound like me during the absolute worst period (2003-2009) of my life. Your Leo stellium (like my Scorpio stellium) is taking the brunt of it, but this is NOT the cause.

I'm going to run your chart in a separate programme with some additional details and see what's going on here. I'm kind of astounded how similar we are.

Incidentally, I'm an ENXX who switches over to ISTJ when absolutely everything is failing me. (I'm 31).

-A.


Thank you Indigo for your time. Hopefully this shyness isn't a recent thing. I've suffered from this my whole life. I was the type of kid who played in the "quiet corner" at daycare so much that the teacher told me that I was NOT ALLOWED to go over there for one whole day. So I sat a a table and drew pictures at a table by MYSELF...lol Maybe it was my uranus 1st house and leo stubbornness that made me react that way...lol Also, I have saturn in 11th house I've given up on even trying with the friendship thing.

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posted May 25, 2012 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MillyX:
Wow you're like me , I have a stellium in a fire sign. Fire signs are supposed to be outgoing & all but I am the most quiet, reserved shy person out there.

See Milly, that's the thing I hate with astrology. People like to study and judge you from your chart. They'll see all that fire and say "oh-oh". Especially when people base relationships and future interactions from it, and that's not fair.

I'm not fiery until people **** me off. And it take a lot to **** me off. I'm really patient for the most part.

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posted May 25, 2012 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you've been this way all your life, then your TOB isn't accurate.
Leo stellium, all those sextiles to the ascendant, no Saturn/personal planet aspect, nothing much with the mid-points....This is an extroverts chart. You seem like someone who has Saturn/Neptune aspecting their ascendant.

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posted May 25, 2012 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by depth:
If you've been this way all your life, then your TOB isn't accurate.
Leo stellium, all those sextiles to the ascendant, no Saturn/personal planet aspect, nothing much with the mid-points....This is an extroverts chart. You seem like someone who has Saturn/Neptune aspecting their ascendant.

While I'm going to say let's hold off on the rectification just yet, I WILL admit, this is a House-level mystery, and we're all very busy chewing away on it over here.

-A.


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lyecry
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posted May 26, 2012 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I've just double checked my birth certificate again. And yes, it says Aug 20th, 1979 11:57 am Cleveland, OH. I've been thinking long and hard over analyzing things and I've came up with some considerations:

*Late Libra ascendant at 28 degrees. Maybe I'm picking up some early Scorpio with that.

*Uranus in 1st house. Maybe that turns down some of the Leo neediness because of my need for freedom.

*Saturn 11th house which makes it hard to connect in relationship with others.

*10th stellium which is the natural house of Capricorn even though it is the Midheaven things are still getting turned down? (just a theory)

*12th house pluto in Libra. Maybe why I've always been the scapegoat black sheep in my family and at school.

*Two days from being a Virgo *shrugs*...lol

I'm not making this up. If there are any intuitive people out there that can read me you'll pick up on my coolness and nervousness.

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posted May 26, 2012 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok this may be a fun mystery to some. But in a strange way this mystery sort of really hurts me. I've read comments about how leo moons and venus are needy. Maybe when I was younger like all children yes, maybe I was needy. But I outgrew it quickly because I've understood the concept of time and space and really respected others time and space. Time is money. And it ain't all about me all the time. I'm always willing to give others room to shine. And I'm always willing to sacrifice my interests for others. That's why I've missed out on so much in my 20's. And honestly when I was younger and let my leo sun shine I was either 1) misunderstood 2)reprimanded 3) made fun of badly. Leo kindness was frowned upon and I learned that a that young age. And attention was made fun of. It gets to a point where you're just sick of getting hurt. By time I hit 16 I was such an introvert I hardly talked in school. People thought I was a mute. THAT'S how quiet I was. Looking from the outside in really gave me perspective to how people interact with each other. I didn't participate in any after school activities nor did I go to prom. I'm not the type of person to beg and beg for attention. If they don't think I'm worth the time then I'll leave them alone. I hate dramatic BS when it comes to relationship and rather do bad by myself. I like GENUINE people. Also it didn't help that I had an overbearing Leo mom (born Aug 8th 1954 Pennsylvania 9:11am if guys want to see a correlation) who was overbearing and made me turn a lot of myself down. Also, when I was younger I so intuitive to the point of claircognizance (really strong when I was 8).

It just hurts me so to see Leo qualities so generalized. Maybe my chart progression has something to do with this *shrugs* my sun is now in Virgo. Wouldn't my childhood environment that I've mentioned above show up in my chart? If this isn't my real TOB like it actually says on my certificate (and I've double checked and checked again) Why the lie??? More questions on top of questions?

I DESPISE the neediness qualities of Leos to the point I could become a self hating Leo.

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posted May 26, 2012 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have libra on the 12th house. The 12th house is your greatest weakness and what you need to learn to work on integrating into your personality the most. This means that you find it difficult to work with others and to take others' opinions into account. The qualities of the sign of libra are your weakness.

Additionally, your pluto is in the 12th house which would make you shy. Also, libra rising is not the easiest rising to have when libra is also ruler of your 12th house, since you are basically being forced to act in a way in social situations which you are not comfortable with. You instinctively, since you were little, learned to be the "nice girl" as you were labeled into that role. But you are not comfortable working with others, so this role feels fake to you. Therefore, there is an inner struggle there.

In addition, all your planets are on the left side of the MC (Midheaven) which means you focus on your self rather than on others.
Source: http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/Step_2_Self_and_other_focus.htm

To add to this, all your planets are in the 4th quadrant, which is called the quadrant of maturity. It includes the 10th, 11th, and 12th houses. I will copy this description from Jan Spiller's website (my favorite astrologer :])
http://www.janspiller.com/101_quadrants.php

Planets in Quadrant #4 (Houses 10, 11 & 12)
INTEGRATING WITH SOCIETY

Many planets in the fourth Quadrant show that, in this lifetime, you are primarily focused on learning how to integrate yourself with society on an impersonal level, taking responsibility for working with others for the public good.

You are learning to develop a true sense of friendship, to awaken to humanitarian interests, and to love others unconditionally - thereby becoming a healing influence in the world.

You are likely to be goal-oriented and be able to see the ¨bigger picture¨ that others are unaware of, which allows you to more easily attain that which is important to you. There is a longing for something higher than the strictly personal life, and a desire to lose yourself in causes that have a wider impact than your own personal comfort and pleasure.

In personal relationships, success depends on your continuing to allot time to pursuing other friendships and public activities. You ¨march to a different drummer¨ than most others, and are willing to follow your own path without being daunted by societies opinions.

You are motivated by your own private vision of the impact you can have on the world, and are learning how to successfully translate that vision in a way that society will accept.

Basically, as a mature soul, you have a strongly developed sense of self which you are now struggling to INTEGRATE with society. Since your own sense of self and personal opinions are so strong, you are learning to work with others. It shows you are very independent and do not need others.

Also, uranus in the 1st and all those planets square uranus makes you a rebel at heart. You definitely are your own individual and you don't let society tell you how to think. It doesn't make you a rebel in the sense that you like getting a lot of tattoos or are in favor of anarchism, but that you simply just see things independently from social opinion and are not influenced easily by others. Uranus rules aquarius and you know that that is opposite to leo, who very much cares what other people think about him/her. I can see an internal struggle.


I have read that people with a lot of leo placements in their chart have been very shy in their past life, so in this life they have chosen to have all these leo placements so that they could learn to need people more and to come out of their shell. At the end of the day, you have to crave an audience with all of those leo placements. But, I can see the internal struggle and how that clashes with the rest of your chart.

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posted May 26, 2012 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank U! Thank U! Thank U! RunningAround. EVERYTHING you've said is true. Yes, I had to mature up my Leo qualities at young age. Yes, I had a past life where I pretty much was shunned for having a child young and had to live in hiding in the woods with my kid. That life plays out strongly in this life. I guess it is Uranus 1st playing out. My Leo qualities are there but they're just turned down to 1 not 10. Even though I have a fun loving childlike spirit I always seemed more mature than my peers. My grand mother used to say I was an old soul all the time.I think I had Saturn traveling across the ascendant at a young age too.

But yes, I do feel like I have a grater mission bigger than myself to fulfill before I get off this planet. And yes, seeing the bigger picture resonates strongly in my life also.

I was thinking hard last night about my chart and what being a Leo means to me. My need or neediness doesn't stem from the need for attention to boost or build my ego. But my need stems from the urge to CREATE to put something out there that will cause people to think; to transform lives and maybe put a smile on someones face to know that they are not alone. THAT is my need. LOL that's why I want to write this graphic novel so bad.

Anyways, I guess my chart was a little case study. I guess you can't take everything for face value even a chart. My 10th house fire, fire, fire bubbles beneath the surface. But not in the stereotypical way fiery way.

Thank you to all that contributed opinions. And glad to have bought out some shy fire signs out of the woodwork.


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Yes, Leo's phrase is "I will"

Fire is creativity, fixed energy CREATES structures in the world that will be left behind for many years to come. So, Leo's main goal in life is to leave something creative behind for everyone to admire.

Lyecry, you are welcome! I'm glad to help!!

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posted May 27, 2012 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh. I was looking for something other than the obvious, but, hey, if that worked, then more power to you.

As for having a VERY burning desire / need to be creative and get something OUT there - this is something I feel VERY deeply myself. Which is why, after many years, I've put on the Producer hat as well as Writer hat, (and Director as well.)

My Leo's in the 12H, but my NNode's there, too. Part of my journey this time around is to accept whatever call I keep being sent toward the limelight. I've often shied from it, myself.

But it's a choice. That's why I've also accepted playing one of the major roles in my upcoming series. Obviously, not everybody can do that, or even should. But some of us really are that multitalented, and it's up to us to own it, and run with it.

Of course, we all need a little help sometimes.

You ever think of downloading one of those storyboarding / lettering programmes to help you outline your novel? A good friend of mine here in the industry used to do comic lettering, and two of my best friends are manga artists. One for Tokyopop. Like you, (and me) they just have a passion - a genuine, unquenchable NEED to get that out there.

So, get it out there, already.

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posted May 27, 2012 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW!!
Im impressed you have beat on the Leo planets!
Plus Mc in Leo..

I have 4 planets in Leo in H6...
Im very quiet, and for the most part reserved...

My Leo is very internal,and not publicly shown..

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posted May 27, 2012 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
WOW!!
Im impressed you have beat on the Leo planets!
Plus Mc in Leo..

I have 4 planets in Leo in H6...
Im very quiet, and for the most part reserved...

My Leo is very internal,and not publicly shown..



LOL! Wow. I feel you. I bet you're really intuitive and pick up on everything. I know I do. Fire signs are intuitive signs. It is like I want to make a support group for mature and reserved Leos. For the mature ones it is not about getting attention, but learning to stand in our regalness.


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posted May 27, 2012 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Huh. I was looking for something other than the obvious, but, hey, if that worked, then more power to you.

As for having a VERY burning desire / need to be creative and get something OUT there - this is something I feel VERY deeply myself. Which is why, after many years, I've put on the Producer hat as well as Writer hat, (and Director as well.)

My Leo's in the 12H, but my NNode's there, too. Part of my journey this time around is to accept whatever call I keep being sent toward the limelight. I've often shied from it, myself.

But it's a choice. That's why I've also accepted playing one of the major roles in my upcoming series. Obviously, not everybody can do that, or even should. But some of us really are that multitalented, and it's up to us to own it, and run with it.

Of course, we all need a little help sometimes.

You ever think of downloading one of those storyboarding / lettering programmes to help you outline your novel? A good friend of mine here in the industry used to do comic lettering, and two of my best friends are manga artists. One for Tokyopop. Like you, (and me) they just have a passion - a genuine, unquenchable NEED to get that out there.

So, get it out there, already.

-A.


LOL! I'm open to more insight from another point of view. But yeah, thanks for the info on the storyboard software. Hopefully, I can be as successful as your friends. As romantic the idea for a graphic novel is the execution is a bit much...planning out scenes and stuff. So yeah, thanks again.

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posted May 27, 2012 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LOL! Wow. I feel you. I bet you're really intuitive and pick up on everything. I know I do. Fire signs are intuitive signs. It is like I want to make a support group for mature and reserved Leos. For the mature ones it is not about getting attention, but learning to stand in our regalness.


Although I'm very leo, it's not shown with me.. I do want attention but it's more one on one attention.. I don't do well in large groups... I'm not very social especially with people I don't know.. I really don't like meeting new people..
Regardless we are still leos, which show our ego, wants and needs...
It's still inside of you... It's a challenge to become leo..
I think if I acted out my leo, people woud like me more.. But.for what ever reason, I don't like showing my real self....
Is it like that for u???

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posted May 28, 2012 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Although I'm very leo, it's not shown with me.. I do want attention but it's more one on one attention.. I don't do well in large groups... I'm not very social especially with people I don't know.. I really don't like meeting new people..
Regardless we are still leos, which show our ego, wants and needs...
It's still inside of you... It's a challenge to become leo..
I think if I acted out my leo, people woud like me more.. But.for what ever reason, I don't like showing my real self....
Is it like that for u???

I grew up to feel ashamed of my leo qualities. Every time I was being a leo I was being "too bad" or "too loud" or was told to "stop being silly" by time I was ten I had the "good girl" role down to a science naturally. But I've noticed when I let the Leo our when I'm older people honestly think I'm drunk because they're so used to me being reserved. I'm like "No, I'm just being me"

Also, I don't do well in groups at all thanks to my Uranus 1st house and Saturn in Virgo in 11th house. I have few friends, but the few that are WORTH my time I put a lot of my attention and loyalty into. If they mess up I drop people like a hot potato if they are not in my best interest (eg drama trouble makers; holding me down).

Also if people don't want nothing to do with me I leave them be. I don't chase for attention. I know my role.

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