posted August 09, 2012 03:12 AM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
Singleton venus?? and venus conjunct mars? Really? you think you know about love?

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Do you mean it's the contrary? If yes why?

Knowing and thinking one knows are different things. The former sounds more like me Just as I said, I have had stories any plain girl who listens to PJ Harvey before going to bed and dating some pitiable "nice guy" would KILL to take a peak at the stuff I've had happening to me, ok?

posted August 09, 2012 04:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Are you serious?

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Ceridwen, first of all, thank you for giving your examples, since they happen to be factual material, which is not like proclaiming universal truths.

Yes, I have a loathing for old men. Maybe I should re-phrase this. I have a loathing for oldER men than myself. I could tell you 2 disgusting stories.

1) 35 year old plump blond cocaine user. rich and in a fast track. tried to pick me up at a mutual friend's birthday. was trying to single me out. was trying to say i was exceptional. 10 bloody years older. and i look ridiculously immature. 14 at my best, 18 at my worst. they ask me for ID before letting me walk into a pub or some other over 18 venue. EXACTLY one year later at the same friend's birthday he was acting like a rejected Louis Garrel in disguise, sighing a-la 19 century decadent and looking towards the ceiling walking past me. so disgusting i can't describe.

2) my university lecturer. who knew there was a boy my own age in my life. he knew i was born in 85. i didn't know he was born in 56. 30 bloody years older. he thought it was ok to mess with my head. i managed to resist, but it was so totes disgusting, i am still disgusted with myself for allowing of a possibility.

the bottom line is. my experience of men after 30 is not cool. they think they own the world. they think they can claim anything that takes their fancy without being realistic. they think a girl should deep throat them just because they want her to. there is something unclean about them, something corrupt. i haven't known anyone who's different.

posted August 09, 2012 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
chart ruler in 7th does not prove anything. 7th house is contracts and enemies also. 5th house is house of love and affairs.
Preocupation of the third quadrant of the natal chart - 7, 8, 9 houses of the relation to other people point for somebody who's main aim in life are relationships and love. Sign of the ascendan also - libra, leo, gemini I guess also.

conjunction of natal planets border the expression of the planets involve in it.

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well, i have no planets in the 5th so what? 5th is in Leo on the other hand. and to be QUITE honest with you i have no problems with 5th house issues whatsoever.

I have most of my planets in the 3rd quadrant (Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, Mercury, Uranus). this amounts to almost a half. and my ASC is Gemini. So anyway.

posted August 09, 2012 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Ceridwen, first of all, thank you for giving your examples, since they happen to be factual material, which is not like proclaiming universal truths.

Yes, I have a loathing for old men. Maybe I should re-phrase this. I have a loathing for oldER men than myself. I could tell you 2 disgusting stories.

1) 35 year old plump blond cocaine user. rich and in a fast track. tried to pick me up at a mutual friend's birthday. was trying to single me out. was trying to say i was exceptional. 10 bloody years older. and i look ridiculously immature. 14 at my best, 18 at my worst. they ask me for ID before letting me walk into a pub or some other over 18 venue. EXACTLY one year later at the same friend's birthday he was acting like a rejected Louis Garrel in disguise, sighing a-la 19 century decadent and looking towards the ceiling walking past me. so disgusting i can't describe.

2) my university lecturer. who knew there was a boy my own age in my life. he knew i was born in 85. i didn't know he was born in 56. 30 bloody years older. he thought it was ok to mess with my head. i managed to resist, but it was so totes disgusting, i am still disgusted with myself for allowing of a possibility.

the bottom line is. my experience of men after 30 is not cool. they think they own the world. they think they can claim anything that takes their fancy without being realistic. they think a girl should deep throat them just because they want her to. there is something unclean about them, something corrupt. i haven't known anyone who's different.

oh yeah there was another unpretty episode. but i'm not gonna relate it, those 2 are enough.

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I am sorry you had these unpleasant experiences.

I still think however, it is a broad generalization to project these indidivual experiences onto a whole generation.

But I also think that it is not really my business. Everyone is on their own path.
Personally I hope you will be able to broaden your horizon and open up your mind (and see that they are not ALL the same), but if not, that is your path, as I said. Maybe this is right for you. Maybe this is right for you only NOW, and things will change over time.
Noone knows. Not me, not you, not anyone.
But yeah, none of my business there.

Also on a more general note, to everyone who is reading this, even those who are not participating in this thread.

It is my firm opinion that it is HIGHLY unfair judging a person by their natal chart or even single constellations in their chart (that goes for praise just as much as for critical judgement).

Every constellation has a certain range it can manifest, and it really is up to the individual and their own learning curve or path or however you may call it, how it is going to manifest. And that might change over time as well.

For example:
Let`s say someone has all planets in the 3rd quadrant.
Obviously this means this person is very much oriented towards others, especially in relationships.

This could mean the person cares for them and really thrives in relationships and supports their partners or feels supported by them.

or

it could also mean that the person is so co-dependent, that they would not even leave an abusive relationship.

or... or ... or

So many possibilities.

posted August 09, 2012 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I am sorry you had these unpleasant experiences.

I still think however, it is a broad generalization to project these indidivual experiences onto a whole generation.

But I also think that it is not really my business. Everyone is on their own path.
Personally I hope you will be able to broaden your horizon and open up your mind (and see that they are not ALL the same), but if not, that is your path, as I said. Maybe this is right for you. Maybe this is right for you only NOW, and things will change over time.
Noone knows. Not me, not you, not anyone.
But yeah, none of my business there.

Also on a more general note, to everyone who is reading this, even those who are not participating in this thread.

It is my firm opinion that it is HIGHLY unfair judging a person by their natal chart or even single constellations in their chart (that goes for praise just as much as for critical judgement).

Every constellation has a certain range it can manifest, and it really is up to the individual and their own learning curve or path or however you may call it, how it is going to manifest. And that might change over time as well.

For example:
Let`s say someone has all planets in the 3rd quadrant.
Obviously this means this person is very much oriented towards others, especially in relationships.

This could mean the person cares for them and really thrives in relationships and supports their partners or feels supported by them.

or

it could also mean that the person is so co-dependent, that they would not even leave an abusive relationship.

or... or ... or

So many possibilities.

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well, it is awesome you think natal chart doesn't matter as much as some people claim. there is always a possibility for change.

still i can't stop being Gemini rising and have my Mercury in the 7th. this is my path, not experiencing heyday of love at 45.

the universe used to send all sorts of cr_ap my way. guys i would dread to stand next to. pitiable, late bloomers, shy, over-humble, begging for love and whatnot. i didn't pick them up. my message was "dear god, take that rubbish away and never give it to me again". this approach IS rewarding. i found some love i'd never dared to dream of.

i know a super-pitiable girl who is every bit her natal chart. t-square with mars as an apex, venus in cancer, moon in libra. no creative expression which she keeps professing she should get round to, no strategising, her dating life is deplorable [they come to her place once and never come back, and all she ever does is prance all over the house applying make-up and being nervous]

posted August 09, 2012 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh I definitely think the chart depicts personality.
And every constellation manifests. Not necessarily NOW, and not always in the same way, but they do manifest in the range of interpretation.

Edit:
Note to Self:
None of my business.

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i'm not denying it does. but bad influences can and must be minimised

posted August 09, 2012 10:03 AM            

In psychological astrology some aspect might provide more challenges than others (depending on the individual perspective of course), but that doesn`t make it bad.
Aspects simply indicate how smootly, easily or dynamically the energy flows between certain planets.

Of course if you want "easy" in all regards of life, I guess, oppositions and squares are really "bad news".

Personally I would NEVER ever change my Venus in Cappy square Pluto on the MC or my Saturn in Cancer in 8th house for anything in the world.

posted August 09, 2012 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
Singleton venus?? and venus conjunct mars? Really? you think you know about love?

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This implies that anyone with Singleton Venus or Venus conjunct Mars does not know about love.

And that is a broad overgeneralization.

(it would be just as generalizing to assume the opposite though).

posted August 09, 2012 11:12 AM            

andstuff, I just want to point out to that we are all pure love. Our souls are nothing but pure and true love and everything else is non existent. Everything that dies isn't real. The only thing that doesn't die is true love. So you're right that is what you are. But you are putting too much emphasis on judgment and stereotypes in the third dimension.

posted August 09, 2012 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Yeah of course, they had a bunch of stuff going on. But I find one things leads to another after discovering one crucial aspect such as this..

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Yes, I agree.

posted August 09, 2012 11:35 AM            

Are you comparing their TP to your natal?

Could I open a new thread for TP`s and we can try to interprete it together, as I have never done it before?

Also which TP do you use?

posted August 09, 2012 11:54 AM            

I do compare to natal sometimes but I found that I don't really have to! Just by looking at the condition of my name asteroids in the TP chart tells so much. If it's unaspected they really don't think about me. My bf has my first name asteroid conjunct his T P Ascendant exact.

Yes let's open another thread. I've been doing serious research trying to decipher if this is mine and my boyfriends last lifetime by using the four charts:

Tropical - current incarnation
Draconic - ongoing soul contract
Sidereal - completed karma
Heliocentric - christ consciousness

It's alot of work but the connections I have with him and his family are so fascinating. I have very strong connections to his father and mother. Probably stronger than I do with him! lol..

Have you done much with these 4 charts?

posted August 09, 2012 12:06 PM            

I have worked most with the Draconic charts, sometimes with the Helio charts; I am not so comfortable with the sidereal chart, as I am still trying to figure out how to interprete the aspects therein in a practical way.
In a way Draco is also about Karma or actually sjoul-connections, but it is ONGOING, in difference I suppose the sidereal shows what is going to be completed, ending.

But let`s say there is an Eros-Psyche conjunction via the sidereal zodiac. Does that mean that there is a soulmate connection, or at least a connection, but that afterwards its done? No reiteration possible?

I am using the FAgan/ Bradley sidereal, and definitely not the heliocentric sidereal, as the tropical chart, or our material plane, is still our plane of reference.

I use the heliocentric tropical for Christ Consciousness.

posted August 09, 2012 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You know what I was thinking maybe if a guy's sun conjuncts the girls venus exact or vice versa in syanstry it will create the same love feeling? That's what my bf's mom had with her ex husband... maybe it gives the same feelings as the SA Venus/Sun between them...

andstuff, I just want to point out to that we are all pure love. Our souls are nothing but pure and true love and everything else is non existent. Everything that dies isn't real. The only thing that doesn't die is true love. So you're right that is what you are. But you are putting too much emphasis on judgment and stereotypes in the third dimension.

The kind of love the SA Venus/Sun brings is unconditional. And you are far from that mind frame... not to bash you.. but just from what I've heard you put too much emphasis on the OUTER.

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I hope you're not implying my love was inferior to yours you're so totally bragging about. It would be absurd to assume this. Or are you?

And for the billionth time I am not emphasising the outer.
You are wrong that we are all love. Some people have access to a privileged kind of love no one else has any idea about. so perhaps we shouldn't pursue this discussion. I shouldn't bang my head against a brick wall. It is perfectly normal for the likes of you to be dismissive of the kind of love/desire/experience I am referring to. Never mind this. All I have to say is that I have nothing to learn in these areas. If you knew 10% of my story yo wouldn't be saying all this condescending sh*t, because it is not even 0.000000000001% true. God. I was so wrong about even starting this dialogue with you. I can't believe this. Other people can at least assume something they have no experience nor notion of exists. And you just shrug it off and call me base and physical, even though I am less so than even you or your father's boyfriend are

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There are not really bad or good aspects (except in horary.lol).

In psychological astrology some aspect might provide more challenges than others (depending on the individual perspective of course), but that doesn`t make it bad.
Aspects simply indicate how smootly, easily or dynamically the energy flows between certain planets.

Of course if you want "easy" in all regards of life, I guess, oppositions and squares are really "bad news".

Personally I would NEVER ever change my Venus in Cappy square Pluto on the MC or my Saturn in Cancer in 8th house for anything in the world.

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LOL, I'm pretty sure no one would suggest you to trade

posted August 09, 2012 02:02 PM            

EDIT;:

This is not a reply to the last post to me, but more an asessment of the overall athmosphere I perceive in this thread.

posted August 09, 2012 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I donīt like the arrogant, dogmatic, contemptuous tone here. So I am going to leave that thread.
Nothing personal, I just don`t need that negativity.

EDIT;:

This is not a reply to the last post to me, but more an asessment of the overall athmosphere I perceive in this thread.

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