posted August 15, 2012 05:15 PM            

Would it be fair to say that you have saturn in the 11th restricting the number of people you come in contact with? That leading to the fact you need someone to act with maturity to be able to establish a friendship with him. Maybe you just haven't been exposed to enough of the good kinds of men. (There is a dearth of em. lol) But also you have chiron in the 5th. So if you want to establish relationships, you first need to be able to be exposed to people, filter people according to your higher standards, and then develop a friendship with them. Saturn hinders this. When you do make a friendship with someone then chiron hurts you in the romantic sector. With venus in libra I can understand your free spirit.

posted August 15, 2012 05:16 PM            

i think that it is possible for you to be in a relationship...even important in a way...but it will be very difficult for you

you have chiron in the 5th.....pain with romance maybe....fear of romance or incapability of that....but doesent directly mean no marriage

also with strong 8th house/scorpio/mars/pluto influence gives you powerfull emotion but with moon in the 12 you might have trouble putting them in some areas...especially areas in your life that concern others

ive read venus in the 7th usually end up getting a happy marriage...just saying so you dont get your hopes crushed just yet

the ruler of your 5th house in the 12....romance issues again...

i think your 8th house stellium can go either way.....you might want to put all your interest in self-development and revelation.....or dedicate your life to sharing you depth of soul and warmth of heart with a loved one

i think even though romance and relationship might be hard for you....you can achieve it with time...maybe take some time off from searching and instead focus on WHATS causing you to feel the way you feel when youre romantically involved (or not)....and im not just talking about astrology

looking at your DSC ruler in the 9th makes me think you will find your loved one outside your current country of living....and that he might be a free spirit as yourself...maybe he even help you with your romance problems...

posted August 15, 2012 05:29 PM            

Also with Sun and mars in scorpio in the 8th, my goodness lol , you definitely need a guy who is passionate, powerful, intriguing, and has depth.

With moon in the 12th, that may be where your difficulty in showing your true "feelings" to a partner comes from.

Chiron in the 5th (I have this as well), might make you feel as though you are too "wounded/damaged" and unworthy of love/romance. Probably more so as you have it in Leo.

Also with Saturn in the 11th (I have this as well also lol), you may have difficulty actually going out and socializing, which would of course not help in finding the one .

I am sorry about your experiences with men

On the flip side I have trouble trusting women because of my mother, so you are not alone . It just takes time and also the realization of the fact that not everyone is like the awful people that have hurt you in the past . Now if only I could take my own advice lol

posted August 15, 2012 05:43 PM            

Interesting I've actually been told before that I should find someone who's foregin.
When it comes to Chiron, does the sextile to 7H Venus help in anyway? I agree though, romance for me is a painful process.
The 8th stellium scares me lol, I do feel like I have the potential to completely devote myself to someone, but the last thing I wanna do is give anyone that much power over me.

posted August 15, 2012 05:44 PM            

@Dreaming111

posted August 15, 2012 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
@doommlord

Interesting I've actually been told before that I should find someone who's foregin.
When it comes to Chiron, does the sextile to 7H Venus help in anyway? I agree though, romance for me is a painful process.
The 8th stellium scares me lol, I do feel like I have the potential to completely devote myself to someone, but the last thing I wanna do is give someone that much power over me.

and That's great advice! I appreciate your time TY

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the sextile...and in my opinion the trine your DSC ruler makes to chiron makes your pain healable by the person you will truly love

i can understand your fear with your 8th house energy.....although mine is not as powerfull as yours...sun+venus+NN in 8th and venus in scorpio and mars+pluto conjunction in scorpio

i had very powerfull feelings towards a virgo....so powerfull that i became obssessed and let him control me....and i got hurt really bad after that....but i belive that i will learn my lessons and give my powerfull love to those who deserve it and those who would not use my love against me....i hope you will do too

posted August 15, 2012 06:02 PM            

I couldn't agree with you more about Libra venus I despise the idea of being a housewife, while my partner has full control over the finances. If I'm going to be in a relationship we both have to work, and know how to clean up after ourselves lol.

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Chiron in the 5th (I have this as well), might make you feel as though you are too "wounded/damaged" and unworthy of love/romance. Probably more so as you have it in Leo.

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you hit the nail on the head . It's ashame I had no idea that Chiron in the 5H would be one of the biggest casues to my love life, Thank you guys for pointing that out. I'm sorry if your experiencing these feelings too
and it seems like Saturn is a bigger pain than I thought, but I'm lucky that I have close friends that I can rely on.

posted August 15, 2012 06:19 PM            

"you hit the nail on the head"

^^This statement makes my mercury in virgo very happy lol

Remember also that on the flip side of chiron we can be very good at giving love and "healing" others. It's just ourselves we have the problem with

And yes whenever I break up it cuts very deep but I have learned a lot from those experiences .

I like to think of Saturn like a mountain, a long slow climb, but once you get to the top, you are the master of it and its domain .

Oh one other thing, you have pluto conjunct your mars and sun, so basically men (mars/sun) can transform (pluto) you. This of course can be very good and very bad, they deeply affect you in one way or the other. Also, you may have a basic fear (pluto) of men (mars/sun) as well, because of this reason. I have moon conjunct pluto so I have a similar feeling going on but in reverse, fearing women .

posted August 15, 2012 06:22 PM            

That's great to hear, I'll keep that in mind thanks!

Oh wow, your placements are pretty similar nevertheless. I can only imagine the pain you felt :[ believe me, I would love to give someone my all.. but i don't know who to trust. You'd think my moon 12H would give me psychic abilities but no luck lol

posted August 15, 2012 06:50 PM            

Your very welcome
Well I admire the fact that your still willing to open your heart and learn from your experiences.. Idk if I can do that, I'm to scared to even try.

posted August 15, 2012 07:04 PM            

It's okay I'm 20 years old, and I admit your probably right about it being to soon. I tend look at other people's relationships and see how happy they are, wishing I could experience that for myself ya know?
But I have to constantly tell myself to stop being naive and know that it's not the most important thing in life.
I can relate to everything you said, and I feel exactly the same way.
Oh, and thanks for bringing up the Transits I don't keep up too much with it, but that's very interesting. I did have these feelings recently so it would make perfect sense.

posted August 15, 2012 07:09 PM            

Well, my desire for love probably overpowers my pain . What I mean is that I would probably hurt longer but my desire to find someone forces me to try to get over it as soon as I can so that I can move on. I also try to use the basic logic that if they were the one for me then it would have worked out, but since it didn't, they are not. Which means I have nothing to really be upset about in the first place .

So do you think maybe you are unconsciously attracting all of those hard aspects for the sake of intensity?

Also, some more things I noticed about your chart...

Your venus in libra is intercepted along with the sign of Libra, so that equality may be difficult for you to access.

Also your mars in scorpio conjunct pluto means that with sexuality you are very extreme. Either you are very sexually active or (in your case) basically not at all .

posted August 15, 2012 07:34 PM            

Ohh if only I could stick to that frame of thinking, but I'd probably be in denial depending how obesessed I am over them.
Actually, this old friend just happened to be the first person I talked to when I went to high school. We sat next to eachother in class, and he likes to start a convo with just about anyone.. so no, I didn't pick that friendship. Besides I had no idea at the time, but he's a big flirt so I always took his words to heart when it really didn't mean anything to begin with.

posted August 15, 2012 07:50 PM            

Oh high school lol Well, if it makes you feel better I got turned down by a gazilion girls in high school lol.

But yeah I would emotionally "overcompensate" for their words as well .

My Mercury is at 6d Virgo, so probably not square, not sure on what the orb allowance is.

But our moons are trine (9d scorpio) so at least we can emotionally relate

posted August 15, 2012 08:29 PM            

Aww shucks ... thanks lol It's no big deal it was a long time ago, I got over it . Or at least that is what I like to believe, but I did just bring it up again lol . And right back at you (except nice girl, not guy lol)

I am not sure on the "psychic connection" thing, that would be cool but I haven't read many descriptions for oppositions in synastry.

Also, someone above mentioned your 7th house ruler in the 9th. This doesn't necessarily mean the partner has to be LITERALLY foreign, but they have to be foreign in relation to you. So from a different place or from a different background, as well they may just be very philosophical or involved in the exploration of the higher mind. Someone who "broadens your horizons" so to speak .

posted August 17, 2012 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Your welcome and Thanks it's okay I know what you meant lol

Oh okay that actually makes a lot more sense. I thought to myself that what if the guy was born in a different country but came to the same one as me at an early age and learned everything there is to know about it... would he still be considered foreign? but the way you explained it helped me understand.
Now i'm wondering which house system do you think works best? I've been at a tie between placidus (which i used for the chart) and equal. The only difference if I switch it to equal is that the Sun goes into the 9H which takes away the stellium, but everything else stays the same.

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Glad I could help

I guess that would count as foreign yeah . He could just be from another state or something really. Foreign in a way that is "exotic" to you or interesting to you in a "higher mind" way. Long-distance travel doesn't necessarily mean into another country, you may meet him on a road trip or visiting family for the holidays or something .

I personally use the Placidus house system, the Equal house system makes no sense to me logically . Also, the changes and interpretations of my equal house chart I do not relate to.