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MillyX
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posted October 03, 2012 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi. I want to leave the church & religion but the people in there are making it impossible to leave. I would like a tarot reading to answer these questions

-How should I leave the church?
-Is now the right time for me to leave ?
-What will be the outcome for me if I did decide to leave?
-How should I act towards the church people for the time being?
-And finally how will my mother react if I leave?

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MillyX
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posted October 05, 2012 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump

another sleepless night thinking about this problem. Who would've thought leaving a church is like leaving a posessive partner

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EmpressMendez
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posted October 05, 2012 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I'm happy to help you.

-How should I leave the church?

3 of Pentacles - This card is showing 3 people. This card reminds me of the 5 of Pentacles where there are 2 people walking past a church, so to me this looks like 3 people outside that same church. There are 2 people in this card speaking to a person who seems like a boss (pastor of your church?).

What this card is letting you know is that you need to meet up with the person in "charge" (sorry, I'm not a church person, so I'm clueless about what their ranks and names are, etc) and have a discussion about you wanting to leave. This card also points to a group of people, gather some friends to assist you in speaking to him and other members of the church.

Be firm, but gentle in your decision.

-Is now the right time for me to leave ?

3 of Swords - Astrology dates for this card range between October 3-12, so yes..it's the right time. Any time after the 12th I believe it's best.

-What will be the outcome for me if I did decide to leave?

8 of Pentacles - At first you will find it difficult to accept, or adapt to your choice. You might even feel a little disappointed, but overall I see that you will be OK. Did you work at the church? Or are you wanting to work or study a new religion? Hard work and dedication will be needed to be successful and satisfied.

-How should I act towards the church people for the time being?

3 of Cups - Courteous, amiable, friendly, kind..I'm sure you always acted this way towards them, right? Treat them like you always have. Continue your friendships..

-And finally how will my mother react if I leave?

The Moon - The mother card..

She will be confused and she may seem lost at first, but she will understand and support you emotionally. I pulled a second card and it's the Queen of Cups. A kind, gentle, understanding mother..another card Justice, which basically means what it says. She will accept your choice.

I hope this reading helps you and that it's accurate. Please keep me updated

Good luck to you

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EmpressMendez
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posted October 05, 2012 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alternatively, the 3 of Pentacles might just be telling you to speak to him on your own. The 3 of Swords also could be saying to leave asap between now and the 12th. You don't have to wait after the 12th.

Your mother might cry at first. She will be very emotional, but she will be understanding.

I'll check back the first 3 cards after I get some sleep to make sure the message is clear for you.

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kama
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posted October 05, 2012 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Milli,
I feel very much concerned about you. Hope you don't mind my reply.
You say: you WANT to leave church & religion (Your mars + aspects)
and: the people there won't let you (what is pluto doing in your chart? - and saturn?)
And you want a card reading about a decision you pretend to have made but are unable to execute - what about your neptune?
Personnally I feel that church and religion are a very private and personal thing. So: what kind of people are you with who won't tolerate your freedom and decisions? Throu your mail I don't get the impression they ar guided by a good spirit...
Maybe you are in that church because you are used to do what people or cards or astrologers tell you. Wanting to leave might be a very good signal of maturing and independance!
Good luck and all the best!!!!
kama

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MillyX
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posted October 05, 2012 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First I want to say thank you so much EmpressMendez. I was so desperate and anxious about this situation that I tried doing readings for myself with playing cards [since I don't own any tarot cards] & I also asked other members in here angel card readings. All of the 3 readings tell me the same thing it's just my fear blocking me but luckily, I have found support from my aunt who revealed to me today that she too doesn't enjoy going there.

This is how I interpret it [I'm just a beginner]:
3 of pents: I'm guessing that I should plan my exit carefully.

3 of swords: October 3-12 I guess it is time for me to leave. I don't like the 3 of swords card, heartbreak & all..The question is who is going to get their heart hurt me or them [my family]...I guess it's both of us.

8 of pentacles: I am studying about spiritual matters & my beliefs are currently changing. I want to leave religion. Oh & I have also just found a job so I guess that will occupy my Sundays instead of going to church =)

3 of cups: yup I will still act friendly towards them.

Moon: To me this card means irrational fear. I know that my mom will be afraid that I won't go to 'heaven' with her if I don't continue going to church & believing in God. The church is good at spreading fear. But I think that you are right in the end she will accept my decision [justice].

Overall an accurate reading. I have a show to do on Sunday & after that I plan on leaving but we'll see if my plans will follow through. Thank you

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MillyX
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posted October 05, 2012 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kama:
Dear Milli,
I feel very much concerned about you. Hope you don't mind my reply.
You say: you WANT to leave church & religion (Your mars + aspects)
and: the people there won't let you (what is pluto doing in your chart? - and saturn?)
And you want a card reading about a decision you pretend to have made but are unable to execute - what about your neptune?
Personnally I feel that church and religion are a very private and personal thing. So: what kind of people are you with who won't tolerate your freedom and decisions? Throu your mail I don't get the impression they ar guided by a good spirit...
Maybe you are in that church because you are used to do what people or cards or astrologers tell you. Wanting to leave might be a very good signal of maturing and independance!
Good luck and all the best!!!!
kama

hmm well right now I am going through a Pluto sextile Jupiter transit. My beliefs are changing & I am no longer going to be a sheep following my family's belief.

Saturn is soon going to transit my 9th house & will conjunct Jupiter.

Transiting Neptune is currently conjuncting my moon.

My progressed moon is entering my 9th house. I will post the chart.

What kind of people am I with? I am surrounded by controlling people that think they know what's best for me. They tell me that I will fail in life if I leave God & don't obey the bible. They force me to sing, dance in front of the church to show how much I love God when I don't think it's necessary for me to put on silly shows.
I don't know I am just sick of their rigid thinking. They have a us against the world mentality & are at times really judgmental. I won't name what the religion is called.

The people tell me that I'm acting 'rebellious' I think that I am starting to become independent.

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ShyVirgo1979
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posted October 05, 2012 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ur last sentence and paragraph is exactly y I don't go to church. My mother made me go for a time growing up and I saw how controlling that church was. I remember when I was 9 and in Sunday school at church and I was leaving and I overheard the pastor talking to this girl. She was in high school I believe. Anyways she wanted to go to prom instead of singing in some program the church was having and they were trying to make her feel guilty for it. Only at the time, I didn't understand it. I'm sorry u r going thru that. Ur church certainly doesn't want to give up their power over u. If one has to sing and dance in order to show their faith in God then I'm screwed lol and I 100% believe in God and don't attend church services. I have 3 bibles as well. Be strong sounds like ur finding ur voice and u have inner strength. I can't give a tarot reading right now bc my kids r keeping me busy or I would lol please keep us updated! Good luck to u and I'm sending u positive thoughts

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MillyX
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posted October 06, 2012 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
Ur last sentence and paragraph is exactly y I don't go to church. My mother made me go for a time growing up and I saw how controlling that church was. I remember when I was 9 and in Sunday school at church and I was leaving and I overheard the pastor talking to this girl. She was in high school I believe. Anyways she wanted to go to prom instead of singing in some program the church was having and they were trying to make her feel guilty for it. Only at the time, I didn't understand it. I'm sorry u r going thru that. Ur church certainly doesn't want to give up their power over u. If one has to sing and dance in order to show their faith in God then I'm screwed lol and I 100% believe in God and don't attend church services. I have 3 bibles as well. Be strong sounds like ur finding ur voice and u have inner strength. I can't give a tarot reading right now bc my kids r keeping me busy or I would lol please keep us updated! Good luck to u and I'm sending u positive thoughts

Thank you fellow shy one! I went to the church today because I had to rehearse my dance for the show tomorrow. And I don't know going back in there made me feel guilty again for trying to leave. And the worst part is they loved my dance so much that they plan on giving me more shows to do...are you effing kidding me. The wife's pastor is 'sweet' yet manipulative. I don't know how to explain it. She seems nice on the outside, but when I hear her conversations [I'm a good listener, I eavesdrop sometimes], it looks like she has this love for control & fears that teens will leave.
She's the definition of kill em with kindness.

I think there will be a way for me to leave, I have just found a job & I'm planning on working during the weekends so my mother won't force me to go. But I won't tell her that I don't believe in that religion anymore, because if I do she will be stressed & fear that I will end up in hell...I believe in God,the creator, the light whatever you want to call it just not in religion & there rules.

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