posted March 17, 2013 07:06 PM            

Okay...so this is it. My first horary. I want to learn this so that I can help other people with this thing. Same with tarot but I need to buy a deck first.

These are so not like me. I am guessing that it is actually a YES but am I going crazy? There is a conjunct between the Sun, Venus, plus a Gemini moon and an exalted Mars. There is nothing in the Ascendant which is Virgo but since all of these planets are in the 7th house cusp, is that symbolic of anything?

Or is it just showing me that it is far from happening and that I'm too dreamy about this relationship.

What do you see? I most def get yes off of this chart even though I haven't done it before but I could be completely off base here.

posted March 17, 2013 09:11 PM            

Sorry, my impatience is talking.

I don't mean to be antsy.

posted March 17, 2013 09:31 PM            

If you did get married, would this be yours or your partner's second marriage? The ninth house is highlighted here and I've read that it indicates the second marriage.

Also this indicates that currently you're feeling really down about this in some way, maybe it relates to a past hurt? As your Significator Mercury is in Fall and Detriment

Timing it'll be 2 something
so 2 months or 2 years, something out into the future but not near future

Either way this is a yes in my opinion

posted March 17, 2013 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
I'm busy with something, but promise to get to this - Hug!

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Sorry for the antsiness... I am still new at LL and I love the various topics but don't rush it... it is best when not rushed, ya know?

I just have this irrational fear that nobody will ever reply...take your time.

posted March 17, 2013 10:51 PM            

Mercury and Jupiter aspects = Square 4 count separating

Alternatives
You = Moon = 9th House Gemini = Peregrine
Him = Aries = Mars = Aries = Home

Moon and Jupiter aspects = Conjunction 2 counts applying
Mercury and Mars aspects = Minor aspect 1 count applying
Moon and Mars aspects = Sextile 4 counts separating

So overall you are making lots of aspects - so looks good. I'm wondering what happened either 4 weeks ago or 4 months ago?

I would say the minor aspect mentioned between Mer/Mars is the engagement and the conjunction between the Moon/Jupiter is the wedding. I feel like the count must be in years, because days and weeks seem to soon and months seems rushing as well. But perhaps you will get engaged in 1 or 2 months. Unsure about the count to be honest.

As Mercury or Moon, you are the faster planet in any case, so you are more into the relationship then he is. I'm wondering about the Debility and the Dignity of the planets, i.e. why you seem to be powerless in the situation?

Also, I'm wondering your location about why you are located in his 12th house of secrets when you are Mercury? And also why you are both in his 3rd or your 9th - perhaps you guys meet in college? Could you clarify.

Finally, I'm wondering about the host of planets in your 7th and in his 1st?

Take out the asteroids and I'll have a look again later. Hope this is helpful, feel free to ask questions or leave some feedback. Hug!

posted March 17, 2013 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Hey E - Can you remove the asteroids? And repost the image? Right now the chart looks like you have ants in your pants! You want to have a clear(er) view. Thank you.

I'll start posting comments in a moment.

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posted March 17, 2013 11:14 PM            

First, I LOVE THE YOD. I would say success! Because it points to the two of you, Jupiter and Moon.

However, I would say that the things that are holding him back are Saturn retrograde in the 2nd and Pluto in the 4th. AH-HA! So he wants to be more settled monetarily and also perhaps get a house or get approval by his family.

The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. This house also rules your personal earnings, bankers, budgets, money that "you" make, material resources, value system, monetary gains and losses, security. Other keywords include resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, acquisitions and prana.

The Fourth House is about home and family. It describes your roots, your heritage and your private life. This house also rules father, land, property, residences, and domestic affairs. The Fourth House is about home and family. Other keywords include home life, family and relations, psychological foundations, biological inheritance, place of abode, the ashram, karma.

[edit] or from his perspective the 8th and the 10th house. Your wealth and his career.

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Did you guys get into a fight either a month or 4 months ago? I think that's what this separating aspect was.

THINGS I NEED FURTHER EXPLANATION ON:
I'm also still concerned about the Sun and Venus here. Uranus looks like it supporting so its fine. What are his mom and sister like?

And likewise, a bit confused about you as Mercury in the 6th House. Do you have a special friend at work?

[edit] actually, since you are Mercury and Mercury moves quickly and is now direct, you are moving into the 7th it could be okay - however, I am confused as to why there are so many planets there (if we view him as Mars - if we view him as Jupiter NBD)? Planets indicate other people involved - normally not the ones you want around...

posted March 17, 2013 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
MUCH BETTER!

First, I LOVE THE YOD. I would say success! Because it points to the two of you, Jupiter and Moon.

However, I would say that the things that are holding him back are Saturn retrograde in the 2nd and Pluto in the 4th. AH-HA! So he wants to be more settled monetarily and also perhaps get a house or get approval by his family.

The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. This house also rules your personal earnings, bankers, budgets, money that "you" make, material resources, value system, monetary gains and losses, security. Other keywords include resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, acquisitions and prana.

The Fourth House is about home and family. It describes your roots, your heritage and your private life. This house also rules father, land, property, residences, and domestic affairs. The Fourth House is about home and family. Other keywords include home life, family and relations, psychological foundations, biological inheritance, place of abode, the ashram, karma.

[edit] or from his perspective the 8th and the 10th house. Your wealth and his career.

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Did you guys get into a fight either a month or 4 months ago? I think that's what this separating aspect was.

THINGS I NEED FURTHER EXPLANATION ON:
I'm also still concerned about the Sun and Venus here. Uranus looks like it supporting so its fine. What are his mom and sister like?

And likewise, a bit confused about you as Mercury in the 6th House. Do you have a special friend at work?

[edit] actually, since you are Mercury and Mercury moves quickly and is now direct, you are moving into the 7th it could be okay - however, I am confused as to why there are so many planets there? Planets indicate other people involved - normally not the ones you want around...

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Well, on the special friend thing, we don't really like each other in that way but he's nice. He is just nice...

Okay, when I did this question I had someone in mind who I am not currently with and wanted to see if we would be together in the long run.

I do have a significant other who I'm currently off with in my opinion who could actually be the person who would make the most sense here. Him and his mom don't really get along. My mother isn't the fondest of long distance relationships and the like.

But, there is also the fact that I do tend to fantasize about the other guy and have this weird feeling that we're going to end up getting married that led me to ask the question. Therefore, the chart could be showing the conflict between my practicality and going with who is actually more feasible (be it they are both long distance) or moreso the possibility that my gut connection to the other guy will end up manifesting into something real and within itself a marriage. I tend to see a lot with the guy and not the current person who considers himself my boyfriend. We just have two totally different lifestyles which could explain the distances with the asteroids in the initial chart.

For some reason, I can't let the guy I fantasize about go out of my dreams. It is just something about him that won't allow me to detach from him. I guess it is that water trine I have. I know that I should've thought about it before posting the chart but I really don't know much about the guy I was asking this about or as much about him as I know about the one who I wasn't asking this about. I guess somewhere in me, I wanted to see if my long shot could become reality but I don't think with that kind of basis that it is valid. I think this horary could unintentionally be about the person I didn't have in mind at all and it saddens me.

I say that because the one who I'm with got a girl pregnant in late December, if my memory does me right and therefore, it would fit in the four month description. The mom part would fit Venus. Plus, he is trying to move out of his mother's place and was talking about us staying together. I really wanted this to be about the other guy but with all the information here, it all points to him in my book.

The other one's mother had surgery recently on her hip and has been doing fine. He tends to travel from place to place often. I haven't met either on a physical level yet which is another reason why I feel bad for even doing a horary on either or. I tend to thrive on long distance relationships and the one who I'm currently seeing has been the longest, about six years. He was and is still affiliated with gang life (even though he has since stopped violent acts), got out a legal bind about a year ago. I always felt like in our relationship, that I was the one who had it all together and that he (I will refer to him as K for now on) had been lagging behind me. But, as soon as I saw C, there was something about him that I am so attracted to. I don't know if it is the fact that he's tall, athletic, sarcastic, idk but I guess there was something about him that just gave me this feeling of fatedness between us like we knew each other in another life. When I spoke to him, it was so easy to do. It flowed so well. But, after that one time, a distance occurred and I haven't really spoken to C since. So, I keep K around because I love him but something about this attraction and innate fatedness I feel to C leads me to believe that one day I'll be with him and with this horary, I want to take the "yes" as is but something in me is making me doubt myself about it since it doesn't seem realistic for him and I to ever have a deeper connection. I think C and I will never happen and then when horary charts like this come around, I beg to differ in my Piscean moon mind but in my Aquarius Saturn can be a contradiction of itself. I get too hype off what I think can happen and sometimes feel really impratical.

I think the seventh house is so full because there are too many people in the way of this thing ever happening. Or the concept that I need to stick to K seems more evident by this...

posted March 18, 2013 11:53 AM            

I wanna master horary and eventually tarot. I just need to buy a deck.

posted March 18, 2013 12:41 PM            

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So I think the Sun here is the girl he got pregnant, which explains a lot. The Sun combusts the Mars - i.e. has power of the Mars because of its closeness and its conjunction applying in 7 counts. But again, there are still all these people in his 1st house, that are getting in the way of your relationship. The Venus is someone else as well, likely not his mother - NOT GOOD. The mother is more likely the Pluto in the 4th House.

I like your friendship with Neptune much better - you and him conjunct in 2 counts - I'd say months more than weeks. Though you have hidden it from the guy you are with?

To be frank, for your sake, I'm looking for signs that render this chart invalid. I'm wondering if the Sun combust Mars makes it unreadable or a negative outcome?

The other thing that I'm interested in exploring as well is how the multiple planets take precedent over each other? That is, which interaction with him is the one to go with - perhaps all of this interactions expresses the on/off again aspects of your relationship.

Finally, I don't like how all the combinations leave you the planet in detriment/fall/peregrine - this is not good. You want to be in an exalted position or have mutual reception with him. The fact that you are fall and he is peregrine or exalted shows the IMBALANCE in your relationship. That you may be putting him on a pedastal.

(Funny about the YOD, @Hera said it doesn't give the success or the answer, it just says the ease of the situation or of the person's overall life - so in this case, you are in this relationship because its 'easy'.)

NOTE: This is a bit free associative and just my thoughts from this morning. Hope it is helpful.

posted March 18, 2013 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Answer in regards to your question. I think that its fine for the time being, as I don't use Lillith and Chiron in these readings yet...

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So I think the Sun here is the girl he got pregnant, which explains a lot. The Sun combusts the Mars - i.e. has power of the Mars because of its closeness and its conjunction applying in 7 counts. But again, there are still all these people in his 1st house, that are getting in the way of your relationship. The Venus is someone else as well, likely not his mother - NOT GOOD. The mother is more likely the Pluto in the 4th House.

I like your friendship with Neptune much better - you and him conjunct in 2 counts - I'd say months more than weeks. Though you have hidden it from the guy you are with?

To be frank, for your sake, I'm looking for signs that render this chart invalid. I'm wondering if the Sun combust Mars makes it unreadable or a negative outcome?

The other thing that I'm interested in exploring as well is how the multiple planets take precedent over each other? That is, which interaction with him is the one to go with - perhaps all of this interactions expresses the on/off again aspects of your relationship.

Finally, I don't like how all the combinations leave you the planet in detriment/fall/peregrine - this is not good. You want to be in an exalted position or have mutual reception with him. The fact that you are fall and he is peregrine or exalted shows the IMBALANCE in your relationship. That you may be putting him on a pedastal.

(Funny about the YOD, @Hera said it doesn't give the success or the answer, it just says the ease of the situation or of the person's overall life - so in this case, you are in this relationship because its 'easy'.)

NOTE: This is a bit free associative and just my thoughts from this morning. Hope it is helpful.

Regardless keep us updated. For future reference, the clearer you can be about the question and the situation the better response you will get from Horary. GOOD LUCK and HUG!

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I always feel drained by our relationship... just completely drained by it. I feel like it adds nothing but trauma to me and he just won't let me go no matter how much he cheats and the like. He makes excuses but I always feel like he is emotionally unfaithful to me by sleeping around. He actively carries on relationships with other people in GA (where he lives) and leaves me to try to let him go but none of it works.

posted March 18, 2013 01:04 PM            

But, I think it just shows me that I may be too enthused by it all and I need to calm down a lot. But the link to the chart is here if you want to see it. I was just told it was invalid and I will listen to those around me.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2cdvr08.gif
[CHART IS INVALID. LATE ASCENDANT]

So is there a definite answer, and is it the one who I am expecting? Or is it the one I want it to be?

posted March 18, 2013 01:45 PM            

K is my current boyfriend who is a chronic cheater and got someone else pregnant who he fell for (while still dreaming about me {******** if you ask me.))
C is a crush that I have had for some years now and who has a mutual person who we both know of who was cool with his brother and dated one of his associates briefly. We've talked like once or twice, not much.
I wanted to know will there be a sudden surge in communication that may blossom into a relationship between us and if so, when?
Or will both of these guys turn out to be utter failures? Or is this going to be a neither question but a third person will come on the horizon? What do you think judging this horary?

posted March 18, 2013 02:39 PM            

Hmm.. I'm not an expert at horary yet but as far as basics is concerned, a chart is deemed unreadable or irradical if the Asc is <3 degrees or >27 degrees. Since this chart is 29 deg, I guess it falls on the stricture.

Or unless, if this man of yours is a "mature" guy-- meaning someone older, like say.. Saturn old (lol ) then there would be exceptions to that.

posted March 18, 2013 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Hey E!

Hmm.. I'm not an expert at horary yet but as far as basics is concerned, a chart is deemed unreadable or irradical if the Asc is <3 degrees or >27 degrees. Since this chart is 29 deg, I guess it falls on the stricture.

Or unless, if this man of yours is a "mature" guy-- meaning someone older, like say.. Saturn old (lol ) then there would be exceptions to that.

Wait.. I'm not sure if it applies to the querent or the quesited, though. (calling the experts XD)

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LOL see I didn't even know that...thanks for the info... I think I can get a little too into questions, huh?

posted March 18, 2013 03:02 PM            

Additional info, I also read that if the asc is late, it may indicate that the querent asked the question too late or the circumstances have already become unchangeable.

imeanj gave me a very helpful link in studying horary. I'll look for it in my horary thread.

EDIT: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

posted March 18, 2013 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Lol that also happens to me sometimes. XD

Additional info, I also read that if the asc is late, it may indicate that the querent asked the question too late or the circumstances have already become unchangeable.

imeanj gave me a very helpful link in studying horary. I'll look for it in my horary thread.

EDIT: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

Here's a link too for relationship horary:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/relationships.html

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posted March 18, 2013 05:27 PM            

Horary charts the more you cast them and the more confused you are. It only gets worse, because its reflecting the situation. Once you are clear, the horary shows this as well.

Learn more about yourself - have you looked into your own natal chart? And likewise, think/learn about how to heal and grow. Take care of yourself first, and naturally you will know who is good and who is bad. Who deserves you and who doesn't.

GOOD LUCK! BIG HUG!

posted March 18, 2013 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
So, all horary aside. Just straight up advice.

I think you need to break up with a guy who cheats on you and gets someone else pregnant. Lame. It's better to be alone then be drained or in a bad relationship. Lust and love are two separate things. Be thankful that you have an out - and can get away!

Horary charts the more you cast them and the more confused you are. It only gets worse, because its reflecting the situation. Once you are clear, the horary shows this as well.

Learn more about yourself - have you looked into your own natal chart? And likewise, think/learn about how to heal and grow. Take care of yourself first, and naturally you will know who is good and who is bad. Who deserves you and who doesn't.

GOOD LUCK! BIG HUG!

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Well, I most definitely thought it was time to turn over a new leaf and let him go. He has the Leo kind of hold and I am to a point that I have reached into my Sag progression... I am tired of that and need freedom and honesty. I think it is time to wrap it up and just needed confirmation. I really need the drive to break loose and the inspiration to do better. I actually posted my natal chart but it got lost in the sauce lol. I have been distant from this guy for a reason. I am tired of the disloyalty and sudden naivete he has when it comes to owning up, imeanj.
Seriously, I just can't take it anymore. I guess that's why I hoped so much that I would have a chance with C. Smh. It is all good. I know I'm going to find real love in the next two years. I just have a feeling but the transition period out of K is really hard for me to do. I kind of gotten used to dysfunction... do you want to see my natal chart?

posted March 18, 2013 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by ELoveCherishEndure:
Well, I most definitely thought it was time to turn over a new leaf and let him go. He has the Leo kind of hold and I am to a point that I have reached into my Sag progression... I am tired of that and need freedom and honesty. I think it is time to wrap it up and just needed confirmation. I really need the drive to break loose and the inspiration to do better. I actually posted my natal chart but it got lost in the sauce lol. I have been distant from this guy for a reason. I am tired of the disloyalty and sudden naivete he has when it comes to owning up, imeanj.
Seriously, I just can't take it anymore. I guess that's why I hoped so much that I would have a chance with C. Smh. It is all good. I know I'm going to find real love in the next two years. I just have a feeling but the transition period out of K is really hard for me to do. I kind of gotten used to dysfunction... do you want to see my natal chart?

I think the aspects between Sun, Saturn, and Venus explain a whole lot. Especially my Sun square Saturn. What else do you see? I think I'm prone to destructive behavior.

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posted March 18, 2013 07:04 PM            

Things to consider - or more that are important after the basics that Cafe Astrology gives. Are where the planets fall in the houses. For example, you have a mini stellium in your first house - Scorpio. I would also look into your North Node in Sag (I've posted the Sabian for you at the bottom here) - its your 'calling.' And also the grand trine you have between the Moon, Pluto, and Moon. Likewise, I'm interested that you don't have any exalted or detrimental planets - I'm wondering if you have dignities and debilities by faces or some other situation. (We'll figure it out one at a time, Rome was not build in a day.) HUG!

NN Sag 22 10
PHASE 263 (SAGITTARIUS 23°): A GROUP OF IMMIGRANTS AS THEY FULFILL THE REQUIRMENTS OF ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW COUNTRY.

KEYNOTE: Consciously accepting the ways of a new stage of experience, in readiness for the opportunities it will present.

As we pass any threshold leading to a new realm of existence we have to meet certain requirements and the necessity to adjust to new ways of life – in action, thought and feeling. At times this may seem an ordeal but it is inevitable. Everything that will follow depends largely on how we cross this threshold, and on the spirit in which we meet unfamiliar and perhaps shocking experiences.

posted March 18, 2013 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
I am okay with natal charts, but they take a long time for me to read and interpret. You can often find really good online references though to figure it out for your own. Cafe astrology's natal chart interpretation is one of my favorites.

Things to consider - or more that are important after the basics that Cafe Astrology gives. Are where the planets fall in the houses. For example, you have a mini stellium in your first house - Scorpio. I would also look into your North Node in Sag (I've posted the Sabian for you at the bottom here) - its your 'calling.' And also the grand trine you have between the Moon, Pluto, and Moon. Likewise, I'm interested that you don't have any exalted or detrimental planets - I'm wondering if you have dignities and debilities by faces or some other situation. (We'll figure it out one at a time, Rome was not build in a day.) HUG!

NN Sag 22 10
PHASE 263 (SAGITTARIUS 23°): A GROUP OF IMMIGRANTS AS THEY FULFILL THE REQUIRMENTS OF ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW COUNTRY.

KEYNOTE: Consciously accepting the ways of a new stage of experience, in readiness for the opportunities it will present.

As we pass any threshold leading to a new realm of existence we have to meet certain requirements and the necessity to adjust to new ways of life – in action, thought and feeling. At times this may seem an ordeal but it is inevitable. Everything that will follow depends largely on how we cross this threshold, and on the spirit in which we meet unfamiliar and perhaps shocking experiences.

At this third stage of the fifty-third five-fold sequence we face a combination of the two preceding symbols. We find ourselves in a period of TRANSITION. We have to imitate, yet retain our inner integrity.

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I am right behind you... I have actually been doing the natal aspects for a while for everybody else but me. Problem number one, isn't it? LOL but yes, I had thought I had a debilitated Mars but it is those of Saturn and Venus that stick out. I'll check those out and I'll see what I need help with. Is it fine that I ask you for extra help?