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Topic: 4 of Swords + Queen of Cups Relationship
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lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 13, 2013 01:34 AM
So, this was the relationship outcome.I did a 6 card past,present, and future spread. These cards were the final two. Any other thoughts on this combination? They seem to be at odds--swords = thoughts, cups = feelings. Perhaps this is addressing the expression of emotions? IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 13, 2013 01:40 AM
Putting the emotions to rest? These are both inward cards though. How about keeping the emotions in? They are there, but aren't shared? It's all very secluded. Or: the love is just taking place in someone's head. Edit: sometimes it can also point out a secret affair that takes place behind closed doors. It's not out in the open. But if it was a 'secret affair' I would expect to see another queen there. Like the queen of pents or wands. Or (last one, then I'll stop): not being able to share the feelings with the other person in the reltionship, 'feeling alone together'. Just some thoughts.
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lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 13, 2013 07:48 AM
See, now I thought this combo had more of a positive meaning!But, just looking at the cards, I can also see this outcome relating to what you meant because those interpretations are very literal! The guy is at rest and the woman is content with her emotions. Yes, I agree they really are inward cards. Twirl, you always have a few ways of reading cards!! LOL. I should post the whole reading..... I'm too close to the situation perhaps. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 13, 2013 12:21 PM
Lol, yes! Put down the whole reading. It really depends on rest if cards. Promise I'll put just 1 interpretation down then,
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lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 13, 2013 03:30 PM
LOL, Twirl, I appreciate the different angles! B/c Tarot is limitless!I did get The Hierophant as a clarification card.... We talked about this one in the other thread about the tarot game. The only similarities I see now are that two cards take place in the church. And The Hierophant is about conforming. IP: Logged |
beccathelion Knowflake Posts: 399 From: CA Registered: Jun 2009
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posted April 13, 2013 03:33 PM
I would read them as "slow down" and hard. Almost a hard stop. One thing the Queen can be (on top of loving and awesome and beautiful and endlessly kind) is clingy and possessive and suffocating. To me, this says, for everyone's good, whoever the Queen is needs to chill out of for a bit and just let things go as they are gonna go instead of taking the liberties a Queen is entitled to and leading. However, without knowing how these cards sort of work as outcome cards in your spread (I always have a possible outcome + clarifier to give me a better understanding) it's hard to say. Take a rest + a loving, sometimes hovering lady, to me = time out. Readjust. Breathe. Just be IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 03:10 AM
Lol! Don't get me started on all angles. It's my strength and weakness irl, haha. So I'll gladly write down all 1000 For the cards: Have they been together long? It looks like a pattern that they have developed between them (hierophant). Mostly where she is putting in the loving & caring and where he just 'gets taken care of'. If the 4 of swords is indeed him, he is not that much emotionally involved in the relationship. Not giving her that much in return. I'm not saying that it will be a split, because of the hierophant ("it is the way it is/it is supposed to be"). Ergo: they probably continue this way. Does she feel loved enough by him? How's the s/x? It does feel rather 'settled'/, but not so much taking place on a passionate 'psychical level'. -still I would have to see the whole spread and the exact question though - Liking @becca's take also! IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez Knowflake Posts: 2751 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted April 14, 2013 03:27 AM
Healing words, nursing wounds/emotions. These two cards together seem rather peaceful to me. "Restoring peace"Giving feelings some thought..still waters, still emotions maybe being passive , meditating..thinking deeply Something like that
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 03:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by EmpressMendez: Healing words, nursing wounds/emotions. These two cards together seem rather peaceful to me. "Restoring peace"Something like that
Oh! I like this take too! Please keep us updated
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lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 10:31 AM
Thank you all for your insights!!! Great ideas and discussion!!First, I should have mentioned these people are not a relationship! However, this question was regarding the possibility of having one. I am trying to be very objective about this, since I am close to the situation. I do really like your interpretations and giving me the different sides to the situation. The one thing that stuck out at me was that there is a peace and tranquility here. The Hierophant is giving the sign for peace, the word "PAX" (peace) is written in the stained window on the 4 of swords--and the the Queen is sitting tranquility by the ocean. So, overall, I feel like this is a tranquil situation. Plus just looking at the environment--each person feels safe. Perhaps each person will come to terms with their emotions about the other. Here was the whole reading:
Past: The emperor, 5 of cups Present: 7 of pentacles, The fool Future: 4 of swords, queen of cups, the hierophant I threw down some other cards just to highlight more of the situation and there was a lot of mental distress/defeat going on from his point of view. So now, the healing part makes sense especially with appearance of the 5 of cups earlier.
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 01:01 PM
Who is the one you put down the cards for? For her? IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 01:14 PM
It's for me....but I have to learn to be distant with the situation. So I have to be analytical about it. Writing from a distance helps me to do this.My emotions have been wrapped up in this for a long time and I want to see the situation rationally. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 01:40 PM
Aah, okay.... In that case I go for post 1/option 1, ;-): 'putting the emotions to rest' and I'm adding 'the ability to look at the situation from a higher perspective' & empress her: 'being at peace again'. Is this related to the wands-pair? EDIT (again, whoops ;-) ) And was that the "Mr. Emperor" that showed all the time in the other thread also?? Ps: Can I ask you a very mundane publishing question relating to contracts (no cards, nor astrology involved IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 02:37 PM
Yes Twirl this is the same emperor that has been following me! It's him for sure.I need a professional reading done I think. LOL. Yes, you certainly can ask a publishing question! Hopefully I can answer it!! IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 02:48 PM
I'll happily look in the cards for you if you want. And thanks for being willing to answer the publishing question. Say you had a book deal (published when finished), but the publisher cannot pay an amount in advance. What percentage on actual sales would then be a wise one to negotiate? Thanks in advance Edit: how about the emperor representing an 'unapproachable man'? Wouldn't that fit? Especially with the regret felt about that as in the 5 cups? Currently: waiting/contemplating 'will it, won't it', 'is it foolish of me/am I fooling myself?' IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 03:14 PM
Hmmm, no advance on the book at all?! Is this an independent publisher? That is such a good question! A book agent would be able to negotiate and say right off the bat! Are you writing something specifically for them? It's not a work for hire is it? I'm not sure about the percentage, but I can say that rights are going to be important! I would ask for a cut of electronic rights and rights abroad as well in case they go that route. Also, ask for specific rights regarding whether it paperback/hardback as well. Usually royalties are based on how many copies sold as well during the books first run. Let me look this up......Author's guild website is saying 10% based on a 5,000 print run: http://www.authorsguild.org/services/legal-services/improving-your-book-contract/. Specifically it says, "Base your royalties on the suggested retail list price of the book, not on net sales income earned by your publisher." Overall, make sure your rights are retained for your work in general--especially electronic rights. And if your book appears in magazine snippets for example, get serial rights as well! Then they have to honor all of that, IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 03:28 PM
12th house edit, lol! (deleted)IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 03:51 PM
I feel like that all the time!!Sometimes I'm like...OK, go back and delete that. This whole thread embarrasses me actually. LOL. All the stuff I mentioned before should be spelled out in the contract anyway at least by the publishers. If they want to make money, they need to figure out how to do that, b/c that is why they are in business. You don't have to do it, just make sure its in there b/c you should get money for your work! I know about the agents--doesn't that sound so elitist? LOL. But, they know about what is really fair and can advocate. But there are plenty of people who wheel and deal for themselves--which it sounds like you can do! How great to have something published! That is a dream I have also. About the reading offer, I don't even know what to ask anymore. All I know is this started a year and half ago, and really got...emotional for me in October. I was really surprised by all of this. I wasn't looking for it that is for sure. But now it's with me. If you'd like to throw down some cards, that would be Ok. Maybe a different perspective would help? I suppose the question could be: What really happened between us and will that ever be brought to light? What's the ultimate outcome? The way I feel around him is something I've never felt my whole life, which is why I don't understand how it could be the way it is now. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 04:04 PM
Lol, yes! I deleted a chart I posted yesterday. Completely understand And thanks, I'll just study the contract they give me and hand it over to 'lawyer-friend', lol. Oh how I wish agents were common though. Sounds bliss!!! And yes, I'll draw some cards for you. Will be in the morning. I can do a relationship dynamics spread, even though you are not together and see if that sheds some light. And some additional cards for 'best action'? Perhaps that helps a bit. Do you have an initial for him? Do I understand correctly you two have been together for a while? Some additional info would help. You can edit it out later I'll keep an eye on the thread. IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 04:33 PM
Twirl,That's fine by me! IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 04:38 PM
Sounds like you just really fell for him... So still lots of feelings. I can relate to that. I'll see what the cards say in the morning. I can also email the reading if you want. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 1714 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 04:56 PM
Maybe in that case, there will be a permanent cooling of the emotions of someone doesn't speak up? IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 04:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by littlecloud: Maybe in that case, there will be a permanent cooling of the emotions of someone doesn't speak up?
Good point! Thanks for your input! IP: Logged |
lotus_flower Knowflake Posts: 230 From: New York Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2013 05:01 PM
Yes, Twirl, lets try with the email, b/c I can only imagine how I must appear on this board right now! How about emailing me IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 315 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 15, 2013 11:49 AM
Hi, I copied the email address. I'll try to do it soon 4 you Been a bit busy today and want to sit down for it properly. Bye Edit: lol, you also edited again... IP: Logged |