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asclibrasagsun
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posted April 21, 2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 21, 2013 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So there are a couple of things, I picked up yesterday, going to look for them now...will post in a bit.

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posted April 21, 2013 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks hug hug

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posted April 21, 2013 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is what I found online: from some website...

If Leo Ascends, the chart is radical because the Sun (ruling Leo) is hot and dry, like Mars.

And what does that mean?

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posted April 21, 2013 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the problem I see off the top of my head here, is that you want Saturn in one of your houses - i.e. Leo as Sun, Libra or Taurus as Venus, or Cancer as Moon - he is in Scorpio - which is odd - I would consider this his own sign, he's in his own world...Likewise, in Scorpio he is peregrine and also he's concerned about his career in his 10th house.

You are not really in his house either. You are doing your own thing in your own house Venus in Taurus - exalted. But this is a nice placement.

HOWEVER, you are making a lot of aspects to him, though they are all oppositions and there is no mutual reception - I came across this great chart yesterday which I am looking for, currently, which can further help us, but need more time.

But here's another link for the time being.
http://askchristine.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/horary-astrology-does-he-have-a-girlfriend/

Have a lunch date but will be back.

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posted April 21, 2013 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got it, thanks, however I was just reading a bunch of articles online and I guess I should be considered the Sun in this question seeing that it is in Leo the ascendant, making it radical, fit for judgment.

Let us wait for someone else to come help us

If I am sun, I am indeed in my 10th house focusing on career which I am, if I am Venus I am also in my 10th house focusing on career, which is true. Maybe I am both significators,
The applying opposition gives a yes answer to the desireof the querent but it is usually an unfavorable coming together, like getting together when I already would be involved with someone... Stupid Saturn


Glanced through the article: Saturn is not conjunct any planet

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posted April 21, 2013 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has to be applying and a trine/sextile with mutual reception. You have here opposition with no reception. Sorry bad news bears. Separation likely.

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html

There is another chart that is even better then this but can't find it. (So funny, b/c I was TOTALLY thinking about you yesterday when I came across the chart.)

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posted April 21, 2013 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kind of funny horary on the run...

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posted April 21, 2013 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't have to be a sextile or trine with mutual reception for a yes answer. The question was is he involved with someone else. She's looking for a no answer to that, and that should be the main focus of the chart. Just saying.

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posted April 21, 2013 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TADA!
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/perfection.html

So sidebar, i.e. though you are asking about the relationship between him and another woman, in this case b/c you are the querent, the chart is more about you and him then her. It doesn't look like she is present in the chart since Saturn really just aspects you - Sun, Venus, Moon. That is, the phrasing of the question here is important...and I am interpreting it here as if a relationship will work out between you and him. (I have another article for this, but honestly, enough looking for articles for today.)

BUT really, personal advice, he sounds like he is acting like a douche bag, I know you love him, but you deserve better. It takes two years for him to divorce and now he's flirting with someone else? No thank you! Hugs, as always.

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posted April 21, 2013 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS, AHEM (clears throat) http://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/2012/10/16/emma-watson-how-british-american-guys-are-different/1636049/

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posted April 21, 2013 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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http://www.skyscript.co.uk/perfection.html

Exactly. Just because it brings difficulties doesn't mean it's a no, or it has to be a trine/sextile for it to be a yes. An opposition/square could be a yes with difficulties. It's not a flat out no.

Venus is usually the other woman in a chart of this nature. Who would represent the other woman if not Venus??

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posted April 21, 2013 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alrighty guys, I know that horary can be done for things like this but we are not getting very far and that's ok.
I was not looking for a no answer.
I am not asking in this horary if I will be in a relationship with him. I already have 50 horaries that state that I will be due to the applying opposition and others that state this due to other factors.

I just wanted proof that there is another woman existing in the other chart. If I am Sun and he is Saturn then look at what is happening here, he is separating from Venus the other woman. Saying that this is a chart for his relationship and mine is absurd, it is like telling me that toilet paper cannot be used to go to the bathroom. We are searching for the presence of another woman and that's that

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posted April 21, 2013 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are not supposed to be interpreting if a relationship will work our between me and him, you are trying to give me eggs when I need honey. You are changing the question then and horary cannot be used so loosely! It is a very strict type of study.

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posted April 21, 2013 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
It doesn't have to be a sextile or trine with mutual reception for a yes answer. The question was is he involved with someone else. She's looking for a no answer to that, and that should be the main focus of the chart. Just saying.

Seriously. Thank you Empress.

Can we have some sympathy here for the person asking this?

Why the heck are you answering a question I did not ask? This way you are literally destroying the purpose of this chart, and this is what would generally cause an individual to draw up another one because they feel like they got a confusing answer, but It is not me who is being confusing, I asked a very clear question.
I can even break it down for you.
1.) he is getting divorced, is this evident in the chart? But is he involved with another woman who is not me?

2.) I already asked if he and I would get together a bunch of times and all the horaries say yes but it is going to be a very sad coming together, so lets not ask this question anymore. I'm trying to follow the rules of horary.

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posted April 21, 2013 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ OH MY GOODNESS!!! - LOOK AT THE FIRST LINK I POSTED - it is very similar to yours! The other woman is also Mercury (Gemini in the 5th House).

Regardless, I will say again and I know its not what you want to hear. This guy is NOT good for you and your horary's are all about him - they are simply skirting the same question. Its not going to turn out good - and now there is another woman? How many times do you need no?

And you are getting upset at me? And you have been upset at Empress before too regarding the same bad news. True love is not like this, love supports you. It doesn't contribute to crazy. But then again, you seem to like drama...Sorry, just saying it like it is and being honest.

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posted April 21, 2013 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, for once I agree with imeanj =S.

But good luck nonetheless. I hope things turn out well & you get what you wish for. (I always wish what I want for myself to others, so do know that I am being sincere).

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posted April 21, 2013 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't see your link and unfortunately you were super rude.
If you have zero experience in horary then maybe you should not contribute ! thank you anyway

This was a different question once again and you tried to answer a question that you knew how to with horary, if you ever want to advance you need to look at all the idiosyncrasies a bit deeper.

By the way if you knew how to count, you would see that mercury is in his 6th house not 5th..., if you are counting from him being Saturn in the 4th.

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posted April 21, 2013 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
I didn't see your link and unfortunately you were super rude.
If you have zero experience in horary then maybe you should not contribute ! thank you anyway

This was a different question once again and you tried to answer a question that you knew how to with horary, if you ever want to advance you need to look at all the idiosyncrasies a bit deeper.

By the way if you knew how to count, you would see that mercury is in his 6th house not 5th..., if you are counting from him being Saturn in the 4th.


NO - your 11th house is his 5th house - which is Gemini, which would make her Mercury.

And I am not being rude - I am just giving you answers you don't want. I have done enough horarys to know what I am talking about.

Likewise, I can be hard-nosed but I do not personally attack people. Name calling and the like is unbecoming for everyone and anyone. I have always maintained that we are a community here.

I am sorry for your hardships, but perhaps you might want to consider how you contribute to them through your actions and behavior.

Again good luck!

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posted April 21, 2013 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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NO - your 11th house is his 5th house - which is Gemini, which would make her Mercury.

And I am not being rude - I am just giving you answers you don't want. I have done enough horarys to know what I am talking about.

Likewise, I can be hard-nosed but I do not personally attack people. Name calling and the like is unbecoming for everyone and anyone. I have always maintained that we are a community here.

I am sorry for your hardships, but perhaps you might want to consider how you contribute to them through your actions and behavior.

Again good luck!


Thanks but I don't think you know how to count, I have Jupiter in my 11th house if you can see this, He is in my 4th house, are you looking at the same chart? Mercury is in his 6th. You did not give me answers that I did not want, you gave me no answers whatsoever because you began answering a question I did not ask. Good luck with learning more about horary.
You should pay closer attention to how some senior members of this website analyze horary. AshSkye did one for me, and all the one she has done for me have been accurate so you may want to take a look at that if you want to move ahead in perfecting your skills.

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posted April 21, 2013 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, for once I agree with imeanj =S.

But good luck nonetheless. I hope things turn out well & you get what you wish for. (I always wish what I want for myself to others, so do know that I am being sincere).


Thanks Empress.

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posted April 21, 2013 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It doesn't have to be a sextile or trine with mutual reception for a yes answer. The question was is he involved with someone else. She's looking for a no answer to that, and that should be the main focus of the chart. Just saying.

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posted April 21, 2013 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by imeanj:
It has to be applying and a trine/sextile with mutual reception. You have here opposition with no reception. Sorry bad news bears. Separation likely.

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html

There is another chart that is even better then this but can't find it. (So funny, b/c I was TOTALLY thinking about you yesterday when I came across the chart.)


right... and I already got an horary that said we are going to be together, thank you for answering a question I did not ask.

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posted April 21, 2013 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thanks but I don't think you know how to count, I have Jupiter in my 11th house if you can see this, He is in my 4th house, are you looking at the same chart? Mercury is in his 6th. You did not give me answers that I did not want, you gave me no answers whatsoever because you began answering a question I did not ask. Good luck with learning more about horary.
You should pay closer attention to how some senior members of this website analyze horary. AshSkye did one for me, and all the one she has done for me have been accurate so you may want to take a look at that if you want to move ahead in perfecting your skills.

Wow, after all this time you still don't understand horary. Again, you should look at the links I have posted here, they will help you understand - in response to the numerous posts you have made here.

It's not about the planets that are in the houses - for example your Jupiter in the 11th. You go by houses for the questions. His 5th house (dating) would be your 11th house. That is, your 7th house is his 1st house, his 2nd your 8th, etc.

The sign of his 5th house is Gemini, Gemini is ruled by Mercury which would make her Mercury. Mercury I believe from my memory (since you took down the chart - which I find to be amusing) is in your 9th house or his 2nd house. A yod was pointing to her.

If you make 10 horarys you are bound to get one that says you are going to be together - and from my count you have done quite a few asking if you are going to be married, if you are going to find a lover, etc. I can think of at least 4 off the top of my head alone. The majority of the ones you got also said no. In the end, all of these horarys were about him, which you yourself revealed when myself and others began commenting.

Anyhow, water under the bridge. I'm sorry that things are bad - but again, you might want to look at how your behavior and actions begets responses from others and creates your situation. Seems like you have some soul searching to do and I say that from a place of kindness. I wish you the best of luck with it...

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posted April 22, 2013 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow, after all this time you still don't understand horary. Again, you should look at the links I have posted here, they will help you understand - in response to the numerous posts you have made here.

It's not about the planets that are in the houses - for example your Jupiter in the 11th. You go by houses for the questions. His 5th house (dating) would be your 11th house. That is, your 7th house is his 1st house, his 2nd your 8th, etc.

The sign of his 5th house is Gemini, Gemini is ruled by Mercury which would make her Mercury. Mercury I believe from my memory (since you took down the chart - which I find to be amusing) is in your 9th house or his 2nd house. A yod was pointing to her.

If you make 10 horarys you are bound to get one that says you are going to be together - and from my count you have done quite a few asking if you are going to be married, if you are going to find a lover, etc. I can think of at least 4 off the top of my head alone. The majority of the ones you got also said no. In the end, all of these horarys were about him, which you yourself revealed when myself and others began commenting.

Anyhow, water under the bridge. I'm sorry that things are bad - but again, you might want to look at how your behavior and actions begets responses from others and creates your situation. Seems like you have some soul searching to do and I say that from a place of kindness. I wish you the best of luck with it...


Good luck to you as well. You are not helpful unfortunately but very quick to get involved without actually having any knowledge. Your problem is that you assume too many things, just look at how you tried to read the chart. I hope you eventually understand to remove your own personal bias from the situation. And I did not post 100 charts asking the same question. Horary is only valid for a certain amount of time, and if there are big events that happen then it always calls for a check to see what is happening in the situation.

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