posted April 27, 2013 08:42 PM            

I was intrigued per our last discussion regarding Uranus in a love stellium - as well as what can really constitute a love stellium.

Is it no longer a love stellium when Uranus is present in situations where the dynamics are open or noncommittal? Since it tends to create upheaval, I can see why its presence would not be desired in a composite for whom the members aspire to a commitment. What if they don't?

Does that change the dynamic of the love stellium, or do you have other reasons why Uranus is undesirable and therefore never part of a love stellium?

posted April 28, 2013 01:08 AM            

I think both the composite and synastry (Uranus) should be considered...

With fishy we have the live stellium and we have some of the best aspects to have...
Uranus has only one aspect an out of sign square to Saturn..
Saturn is well aspected and hits all the planets, to keep it stable..
But it's anything but stable...
I admit its "never truly ended" at least at this point... But it's back and fourth... Hot and cold, on and off..
I think the "stable" part us the fact we remain in contact everyday...
Even if not romantically...

I think the on is off due to Uranus in synastry..
His Uranus sq my sun,moon, merc
My Uranus sq his Venus..

I have Uranus in h7, and he has Venus sextile Venus..

So maybe we actually like it.... Shrug....

Lol

Ras...
Do u think its synastry Uranus that is causing it to be unstable ?

posted April 28, 2013 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Sometimes Uranus represents something odd/unconventional about the relationship itself. Like an age difference (which I know is usually contributed to Saturn), but it's something that is likely an issue to the outsiders that may impose conflict in the relationship. Maybe it's an open relationship, or two different races/religions, a Palestinian and an Israeli, white and black. Something that would likely defy conventions of a society, even a small one such as extended family and the community an individual has grown up in.

I say this more for Venus/Uranus affliction. To me it's not bad, just difficult and perhaps disruptive to the whole relationship depending on other factors.

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posted April 28, 2013 04:21 AM            

Uranus is definitely there in our synastry; the funny thing is the exact conjunction we have of his Saturn to mine - and just one degree off my Moon.

His is right with his Mercury, and mine is a loose conjunction with a parallel. There's a big mutual Merc-Ura thing going on; my Neptune joins his, his makes aspect to mine. It does soften the Uranus a tad.

What really throws the curve ball is the mutual involvement of Valentine. His is right on my Merc, with mine right on his.

It really does seem to be my Uranus hitting his points more than the reverse.

My Uranus squares his Venus/Mars, Eros/Psyche, Venus/Eros, and Mars/Psyche MPs. That's a freakin' lot. It's parallel his Venus, too.

His Uranus, on the other hand conjoins my Neptune. 3.5° orb, and my Valentine, at less than 1°. Semisextiles my Merc, sextiles my Sun, and really loosely squares my Venus. Like 5° orb here. Trines my NNode; 3°. Squares my Destinn. (My Moon-Ura is right on his Karma-Saturn, too. Nearly exact.)

So, yeah. Comparatively ...

:crickets chirp:

Okay, so Neptune DOES rule my 7H. And ... Uranus IS his chart-ruler .... MY Merc is also MY chart-ruler.

So, maybe there's a LOT of Uranian energy here. That's scratching the surface.

We met online for a large collaborative creative project. We've always lived in separate states. No real age difference (though he's always been surprisingly young for what I'd consider - though just as mature beyond his years; four years my junior) but I was only single or uninvolved in a committed relationship for a handful of months in my knowing him (8 years so far). We finally decided, despite my being married, (open marriage) that we'd approach things from a casual, friends-with-benefits standpoint. Things completely imploded upon his sudden realisation we aren't capable of just being casual, nor do we want - nor have we ever wanted a commitment. Now we're in a bizarre no man's land, and I don't know how to relate to him anymore at all.

I hate the distance. THIS distance. The emotional kind. I wonder if he came to realise he actually wanted more than he'd said - or thought - he did.

The composite Sun, Moon, Venus and Valentine hit both of our Moons. Mercury hits his Moon and my Mars - and so does Uranus. It's the furthest out on the stellium, about 4° off Mercury, closest conjunct the Moon and Venus, about 4° off the Sun.

But it hits his Moon exactly, and my Mars 2° off. I've always wondered what his Moon being right on the composite Uranus might mean; and my Mars being there.

posted April 28, 2013 04:54 AM            

Indigo- I'm actually more curious about your open marriage with your husband? How does that work? What Uranus aspects do you two have?

"I hate the distance. THIS distance. The emotional kind. I wonder if he came to realise he actually wanted more than he'd said - or thought - he did."

I can totally relate to this, although it's not a conversations I've really had, just feelings and thoughts.

posted April 28, 2013 07:04 AM            

well from what i've read and experienced myself as well
synastry is how the two people make each other feel while composite shows what happens to the relationship. So for example if u have sun and uranus in negative aspect in synastry that means one of you is taking on the bad qualities of the sun while the other is taking on the bad qualities of uranus, and u arent getting along because of that. thats pretty much how u can think of synastry. it shows the distinct roles each partner plays to the other while the composite shows the higher purpose of the relationship, what it is meant to teach us and bring into our lives. so yes uranus in composite would mean that u are there to liberate each other, to learn how to not be attached at the hip with each other, while still remaining in a relationship or friendship. you can look up ur composite report on astrology3d.com or grupovenus.com....they will both describe uranus composite aspects as the relationship existing to make u more detached about the idea u have to possess someone in a relationship. however in synastry its different because it doesnt mean u are learning anything really, it just means how the person acts towards you, and u can take it or leave it.

im not sure if u have the love stellium with fishy lioness. i dont remember u having it! post the composite and synastry pretty please. i would think the relationship would be more stable if u had the love stellium

posted April 28, 2013 08:41 AM            

My parents had verrry strong Uranus-synastry, like DW Sun/Uranus (the square (orb 0,10) + quincunx (0'20)) + her Uranus square his Venus (3'10) + his Uranus square her Chiron.. and this *all-connected*, so forming one whole complex pattern with some other planets involved (incl. both Saturn). Both had a Uranus-Mars natal aspect; him the opposite (2*), her a loose square (5*).

Composite Uranus made an exact quincunx to Composite Sun, quincunx Mercury, trine Venus, conjunct Saturn and trine Neptune.

She was the only one (out of 13 children) who married a guy (my dad) from the South of our Country. Not exactly a different culture but definitely from another *corner* which at first caused him to be an 'intruder', not in a negative way as he was completely accepted in moms family but more in an *exciting* new way for both parties. He was really intrigued by the *freedom* and *abandonment* in moms family (his own upbringing wasn't that liberal or nice and he had only one sister 10 years younger than him).
Also; they were the only one that went to live miles away from moms family.

They were a real 'productive pair' together. *Writing* (also an exceptional 'art' in moms family) was their passion/work (DW Sun-Mercury trine, in Composite; Sun-Merc. conjunction) in which they completed each other as each delivered the attributes the other missed.

posted April 28, 2013 10:45 AM            

But they are both having strong Uranian vibes natally. My Dad having Sun, Venus, Jupiter in Aquarius. Moon sextle Uranus exact.

my Mum having Uranus on the ASC sextile Venus and Mars.

my Dad`s Uranus squares her Moon. Her URanus opposes his Mercury and squares his Mars.

posted April 28, 2013 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Sometimes Uranus represents something odd/unconventional about the relationship itself. Like an age difference (which I know is usually contributed to Saturn), but it's something that is likely an issue to the outsiders that may impose conflict in the relationship. Maybe it's an open relationship, or two different races/religions, a Palestinian and an Israeli, white and black. Something that would likely defy conventions of a society, even a small one such as extended family and the community an individual has grown up in.

I say this more for Venus/Uranus affliction. To me it's not bad, just difficult and perhaps disruptive to the whole relationship depending on other factors.

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posted April 28, 2013 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my parents have a wide conjunction of MOon and Uranus in composite, with Moon in 12th house. they are also parallel. But they are both having strong Uranian vibes natally. My Dad having Sun, Venus, Jupiter in Aquarius. Moon sextle Uranus exact. my Mum having Uranus on the ASC sextile Venus and Mars. my Dad`s Uranus squares her Moon. Her URanus opposes his Mercury and squares his Mars. They have been married for 40 years, very stable couple, but they are discussing things all the time. In a way they might be considered unusual, or our family is, as they took in my mumīs youngest sister and brought her up basically. I guess that is how their Uranus vibe comes in.

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THAT's why I'm so comfortable with you - among other things. Similar family background in which everyone discusses things - practically unheard of most places, but very familiar to me. It's the way I am in my own life and relations. How can you NOT talk about everything? And from a rational, calm standpoint?

My parents have the same active Uranian influence. (They, too, were open-married for a decade, starting when I was a small child, up into my early teens; my mother was in another relationship, my father was not. They were all VERY in the open about it, honest, and connected. In fact, he's my godfather. He met my mother via my father and fell instantly. There's a lot of karma among all four of them - including my godmother, that is. They married on his birthday, and my godmother's chart is rather similar to my mom's. A bit eerie, really.)

To start, my mother's Uranus is trine my father's Mars, and parallel his Uranus and Pluto. Considering he's an Aquarian with Scorpio rising, it certainly strengthens the effect. (And she's a natal Uranus-Venus square, mind.) I've always been intrigued by my father's VX being parallel her Uranus, as well. They are the only personal, genuine case I know of actual 'love at first sight' lightning bolt sort of overwhelming thing. My father KNEW she was it, and it's never lessened for a single second.

My mother ... well ... let's face it. She had a count in pursuit of her at the time, and several suitors! She was also 'ending an involvement', so she gave him her number and didn't respond for quite some time. My father threw a bit of a secret fit and went to LA in order to achieve greater commercial success. When he returned, a year later, he asked her out on the Fourth of July - and she accepted. After that, they were inseparable. Married exactly 11 months later.

They've also got:

(My father's Uranus - his chart-ruler)

Uranus square Merc;
Uranus contraparallel VX;
Uranus square Venus;
Uranus sextile Sun; (her chart-ruler)
Uranus sextile Moon;
Uranus sextile ASC;
Uranus conjunct Uranus; (her 7R)

(My mother's Uranus)

Uranus septile Moon;
Uranus semisextile Merc;
Uranus biquintile Venus;
Uranus trine Mars;

Some DW's. Their Uranuses are also parallel their Plutos natally (my mother's a Pluto-ASC, my father a Moon-Pluto).

I was also intrigued by her Uranus being opposite Eros/Psyche. (His are biquintile her Uranus.)

Any rate, their marriage has been very Uranian, and also quite Plutonian. Intensely bonded, very fated, rather a model couple - despite their unconventional features. Coming up on 40 years - June after next.

The composite ... has a loose Juno-Uranus near the MC, parallel, and quindecile their Eros-Psyche. Also square VX-DSC-Karma-Amor.

They have a loose love stellium. By traditional standards: Sun-Merc-Venus-Valentine-Chiron. Uranus is quincunx that. Mars is quindecile the Sun-Merc-Valentine.

posted April 28, 2013 01:28 PM            

Over all we have a very stable relationship, we never once broke up and got together....

He banged on my door in the middle if the night, professed his "love" to me like an Aries moon) lol

We were together ever since... We dated, we moved in, then got married..
We never once considered divorce or leaving each other..
I was going to stay forever.. Never thought Abt leaving..
But fate had another plan..

He is also a different race...

posted April 28, 2013 01:58 PM            

My Mum, despite having a Cancer ASC has Uranus sitting on it, and Uranus sextiling Venus and Mars. Her Uranus sextile Venus and Mars in her chart actually is quinkunx his Venus-Jupiter-conjunction in Aquarius. A nice little tight Yod (I start seeing the glue factor of Yods as a matter of fact. lol)

She is one of the very few women who really can challenge him mentally. Different mental processes though. But equal partner in any respect.

"- practically unheard of most places, but very familiar to me. It's the way I am in my own life and relations. How can you NOT talk about everythin

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Yes. You should see us when the whole family meets for lunch. So much discussion. And if my little brother is there like today, even more so. My little brother actually has a triple conjunction of Moon-Jupiter-Uranus in Sagittarius on my ASC-stellium and very closely to my NN.

"And from a rational, calm standpoint?"
Yes, most of the time. At least everyone claims to come from a rational standpoint. It is the other one who is irrational naturally. But it is all with good will.

"my mother was in another relationship, my father was not"
That is where our background is clearly different. This would have been an absolutely No-go, especially for my Mom (Scorpio sun in 5th house ). And for my Dad - well letīs face it, every since he met my Mom, other women ceased to exist.
Doesn`t keep him from being friendly, because that is just who he is (Mars-Neptune-conjunction in Libra in 1st house. lol), but if my mum should even so much as suspected him as having someone else on the side, this would have been it. But that has not come up,w el, at least not after their marriage.

My Dad apparently didn`t think it strange or a problem that he was still having contact through letters with his former fiancee (the one he left for my mum) - Air signs can be that way. Really thinking women just want to be friends.
my mom thought otherwise and probably became quite clear in how she expected him to behave. lol
As a matter of fact, it was her who pretty much proposed to him. Though it was not that romantic.
Sh once told me that she simply was asking him if he intended to take the relationship further and wanted to have a family. If not, she needed to know, then she could first concentrate on her career and then find someone to have a family with. Cause that had been her life-plan. Either he fit in there, or not, but she wouldn`t compromise herself or her needs just to be with him.
And well, I have seen pics of my mom. At that time she was looking like a movie star from a long gone era.
Well, apparently they got married.

". They were all VERY in the open about it, honest, and connected."
I value honesty a LOT. In fact I think that no relationship, be it romantic or between friends, can be maintained if there isn`t honesty.

"Considering he's an Aquarian with Scorpio rising, it certainly strengthens the effect."
So your Dad is an Aquarius, too?

I guess I inherited the Aquarius-Moon from him, or maybe it is the fact that my Mum`s Uranus is on her Cancer-ASC. I don`t know.

"They are the only personal, genuine case I know of actual 'love at first sight' lightning bolt sort of overwhelming thing."
Yes, same here.

In a way they are so much of a model for how love can actually work and how it COULD be, that my expectations are probably way too high.

"Any rate, their marriage has been very Uranian, and also quite Plutonian."
Yes, definitely the same in my family.

I guess I am sort of the astrological result (as are my brothers), with my Uranian Moon contraparlael Pluto. LOL

" Coming up on 40 years - June after next."
24th may this year for my parents.
(actually it just struck me how I met this guy just 2 days prior to my parent`s anniversary. lol)

"The composite ... has a loose Juno-Uranus near the MC, parallel, and quindecile their Eros-Psyche. Also square VX-DSC-Karma-Amor."

my parents have a Grand trine of Uranus in CAncer to Jupiter in Pisces in 8th and Juno in Scorpio in 4th - tight orbs, too.

"They have a loose love stellium."
mine do not have the love stellium.
They only have Sun conjunt Mercury

"By traditional standards: Sun-Merc-Venus-Valentine-Chiron."
Chiron is conjunct their Sun and widely their Mercury as well.

"Their Moon is conjunct Saturn, Pluto, and Destinn, incidentally, and square the love stellium. Uranus is, unsurprisingly, sextile it."
Wow, quiet a karmic one!

My parents have Mars-Saturn-conjunction on the SN, opposing their Amor-Eros-conjunction on NN (Valentine is conjunct Eros sa well, and both are trine Venus).

posted April 28, 2013 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:

Lioness and her pisces guy ^.^

What at first seems like a regular composite chart, shows hidden aspects that are just as strong as the actual square in a composite, and reveals the reason for the strong attraction between you. Putting the birth data into astrology3d.com reveals the two hidden aspects, which are composite sun sesquiquadrate pluto and composite sun semisquare venus. This is basically equivalent to having sun conjunct venus and sun square pluto. So basically, here we have the love stellium (since the sun is already conjunct mercury) opposite pluto which means there is true love, and then it is square pluto, which means there will be a strong intimacy from the beginning. Strong chemistry and physical attraction at first sight, definitely. On top of that, you have venus opposite pluto [b](I meant to say venus opposite moon, sorry!}, which is one of the most romantic and tender aspects you could have whether in synastry or the composite. It means you are overflowing with feelings of nurturing, love, and tenderness any time you see each other, but there is something from your past which is not letting you two be together..whether that be interference from your families, an ex, or the fact that one of you is currently in a relationship.

On top of that you have composite moon conjunct pluto and jupiter, and venus and the moon in positive aspect to neptune. What a romantic, deep relationship! You have fun together, you truly love each other, and you have the best of all worlds..neptune, jupiter, venus, pluto (well no uranus or venus conjunct mars but who cares :P)

You even have composite sun sesquiwuadrate moon which is equivalent to composite sun square moon, which means there is so much fascination with each other! I love this aspect.

Anyway, the composite is what shows your lasting attraction for each other, despite a very mediocre synastry. Since both synastry and composite are important, the bad aspects in the synastry, which are considerable, will cause problems even though you have a great composite. The synastry shows arguments with sun, mars and the moon all being opposite mars, and composite sun conjunct mercury opposite mars does not help with that obviously. The fact that sun is square neptune and moon is conjunct neptune, I think will cause a lot of disillusionment because since you have all these aspects that show arguments, plus in synastry you have venus square uranus as well which means instability and your moods being out of sync, there will be a sense of stumbling back to earth every time you encounter problems. Not a perfect relationship...will take a lot of work. However, I do see why it was a very important one to both of you. That composite is absolutely on fire. Moon in negative aspect to venus in either synastry or composite, combined with sun conjunct jupiter or the love stellium, plus some kind of pluto aspect but especially venus trine pluto or sun square or opposite pluto is always a very very intense

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posted April 28, 2013 06:51 PM            

Synastry Aspects

Composite

posted April 28, 2013 08:05 PM            

Going further, we see the Sun is also 2°s conjunct Mars. But it isn't. Per this chart, it's 9°LIB, while the Sun is 23°VIR. That'd be too wide for a conjunction. Depending upon seconds, it might be a quattrovigintile - but that's neither here nor there.

posted April 28, 2013 08:18 PM            

Uranus doesn't have to be conjunct the stellium. It's right on the ASC, so its energy is at the forefront, ruling the 5H and dispositing Venus, which is heavily involved in the stellium.

I'd say give this relationship plenty of room and freedom to change - to stay dynamic - or it'll lose its integrity quickly.

posted April 28, 2013 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Shylioness, yeah that makes sense. A love stellium conjunct mars and pluto is very intense. The more planets any composite love stellium is conjunct, the better (as long as it isnt uranus or saturn)

Lioness, yeah that sun semisquare venus which isn't a "REAL" love stellium, that makes sense. Conjunctions give the most stability in composite. So a semisquare gives similar feelings but not necessarily with the strength and stability in a conjunction love stellium

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Yeah it maks sense..
What oddly. (Maybe) we some how make it u in synastry.

His sun trines my Venus 2orbs
My sun Quinx his Venus 0 orbs

But maybe sense it's a smaller aspect in the composite, it doesn't come through the same way...
But at least the sun/Venus harmony is still there between us..