posted May 15, 2013 01:58 PM            

You have Pluto in your 7th house libra. I imagine this to be a very powerful relationship. Your probably both intune to eachother

posted May 19, 2013 04:06 PM            

Besides we`ve just learned my uncle had a stroke, and I kind of do not feel like I can do your composite justice just right now.

posted May 19, 2013 11:51 PM            

I was really looking forward to your reading.

posted May 21, 2013 07:17 AM            

thanks for your good wishes.

After looking at your charts, yes, I can see the attraction, but actually the dominant pattern that keeps coming up is one of probably unresolved (natal) issues, that gets activated by the synastry.

It involves the nodal axis, Chiron and Uranus big time. While of course Chiron and Uranus are generational, they are quite personal in your charts and relationship, since both Suns are part of it, and they are synastrically opposite each other. You act like a mirror to each other, reflecting back your own natal issues. Well, of course you know every resolved issue is a talent, right?

Does he activate issues surrounding commitment, freedom, but also abandonment in you? Or the fear of it?

However, it might be that the isues are even more important on his end because of this:

°composite Sun conjunct NN in 8th house
his natl Sun squares his nodal axis
Your Sun squares his nodal axis and opposes his Sun.

Your Sun falls into his 4th house, his own Sun is in his 10th house.
Your Sun is in your own 7th house.
his nodal axis overlays your MC-IC-axis and his Sun falls onto your ASC.

It shows that you are connected at the core through the conjunctions and also squares to the angles and nodal axis.

But that isnīt where the story ends.

° composite Sun opposite Chiron
you BOTH have Sun square Chiron natally - so BIG RESONANCE to the natals
there is also a DW of Sun-Chiron square in the synastry.

So the Sun-Chiron-theme is very much emphasized. No matter what else is happening in your synastry and composite, you canīt escape this one.

° composite SN conjunct Chiron
he has the conjunction natally - but yours is too wide to really count

your Chiron falls onto his SN though.

It is a theme that resurfaces from the past, either from a past life relationship, or just basically the past. Either between the two of you or you are reactivating issues from old relationships with other people.

° however at the same time composite Uranus is conjunct NN
you have a wide conjunction in natal, too, he hasn`t. It seems like you are more strongly connected to the Uranian theme, while he is more strongly connected to Chiron. however, knowing this does not help that much, cause with the outer planets, starting with Saturn, there is always the possibility of projection, so it is not as easy as to say, you play the Uranus rule, he plays the Chiron role. It could be, but it could also be that you project it on each other.

Who is the one trying to keep the distance? Or is it happening by circumstance?

in the synastry between composite and your natals we see:

composite Sun conjuncts your Uranus, which rules your 2nd house, and opposes your Chiron
composite NN conjuncts your Uranus,a nd composite SN conjuncts your Chiron.
Also interestingly comosite Uranus conjuncts your NN.

This relationship activates issues surrounding how you see yourself and your feelings of selvalue (or the lack of them) quite strongly. How comfortable do you feel?
There probably has been wounding in the past (composite SN on your Chiron in 4th house); it could either be a past life scenario, you are becoming vaguely aware of, or the hurt might even stem from your childhood or original family.
However the composite NN on your Uranus is meant to pull you forwards, develop an independent feeling of selfvalue and worth, independent from what other people may think (the cluster in your 7th house seems to point into the same direction).

If you are already there, great.
But the fact you keep being drawn to someone who activates that for you, and you are not feeling comfortable about it, shows there is still something to grow out of there.
However it also means that you could have a liberating influence on the relationship itself, and on him of course.

From his perspective composite Sun is conjunct his NN and opposite his Chiron. Composite Chiron on his SN.
This relationship really illuminates the Chironic wound for him. But it is in the past.
For him Chiron falls into his 12th house -he may not even be aware of what the problem is. Maybe it stems from a past life or even something during the prenatal phase (12th house).

But whateve it is, composite Sun on his NN are meant to pull him out of there, into the future.

Both Suns in square to his natal nodal axis represent a skipped step for him. YOU represent a skipped step for him, something that he cannot get around this time. Or actually someone.

Like in your case it seems tohave something to do with his family, or more precisely with where he came from, what the root of his soul is (4th house) and where he is going to, what he is wanting to accomplish in life (10th house).

You land in his 4th house. it means that you touch him on a very deep level. Though it doesnīt mean he likes that. Sometimes when we meet a soulmate all we can think of is running away so we do not have to address any unresolved issues and it oculd happen with his nodal axis squaring the Sun-Sun-opposition. But with that and his Moon also being opposed your Sun the magnetism is just so strong. You can run and run and run, but for somereason you get magnetised back everytime. After all there are still issues to resolve, right?
The karma is not finished yet.

His Sun and Moon also rule very important houses in terms of relationships, the 4th house (feeling of home and belonging) and the 5th house (feelings of erotic creative playful attraction).

With your Sun opposing these rulers you seem to activate that strongly in him. But what is he going to do with that?
He also canot tap into this safely, cause it will bring up thse others issues for him.

He will have to learn to be vulnerable and open (again), cause that is the only way to allow the potentially deep connection between the two of you to blossom (Chiron can also be just that, being completely open and vulnerable to another person; with a natal square though, especially to Capricorn planets or Saturn, exactly this is the big lesson to learn, to gain that trust in being open again, after having been hurt deeply takes a LOT courage).

As I said with your uranus there, you can actually pull him forwards, liberate him, if he allows you to. And well, with uranus of course fear of abandonment is pretty real, though I do not know on which side it will be stronger.

Also if he doesn`t open up and you feel excluded from his innermost soul and feelings and thoughts, this can have a damaging effect on your feelings of selfvalue and worth and diminish your trust in the relationships, which in turn may bring out the Uranian issues of going into detachment mode, which would make him feel even more insecure and perversely confirms his fears that he can`t trust anyone and everyone is going to leave him or control him anyway.

With his Uranus on the DESC, he either actively does the distancing and running (so no other person can hurt him by abandon him) or he will be pull these people or circumstances externally to him.

For some reason I suddenly was thinking of the Robbie Williams song here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdnZ1NfGsDY

posted May 21, 2013 10:15 AM            

I'm overwhelmed TBH.I was looking for a tarot reading and what not to get a clearer view of what's going on,when it was right there all along,figure of speech that is.

I tend to look past my issues and focused on what I want and I've realized that they do come crashing down at very unexpected moments.

''Does he activate issues surrounding commitment, freedom, but also abandonment in you? Or the fear of it? ''

He activates a BOAT FULL of emotions in me.Excitement,fear of being discovered ( although I don't have anything to hide but I keep having this nagging feeling that he can see through me and it scares the hell out of me),and yes abandonment,isolation,feeling undesired.

''So the Sun-Chiron-theme is very much emphasized. No matter what else is happening in your synastry and composite, you canīt escape this one.''

What do you mean? I can't escape him?This sounds very karmic.I'm already feeling trapped even though am not.Not in the real sense of the word.

''t is a theme that resurfaces from the past, either from a past life relationship, or just basically the past. Either between the two of you or you are reactivating issues from old relationships with other people.''

So I was right.It's indeed a past life/karmic thing.

''Who is the one trying to keep the distance? Or is it happening by circumstance?''

To be completely honest with you, (and it's only now that I'm admitting this even to myself)I believe we are both keeping the distance.we are like two dogs facing each other wary of the other person but not wanting to turn around and leave!

"This relationship activates issues surrounding how you see yourself and your feelings of selvalue (or the lack of them) quite strongly. How comfortable do you feel?''

YES! That is the part am struggling with Ceri.Really struggling with because it resurfaces other wounds that I thought were healed.I do not feel comfortable at all, but at the same time I feel so comfortable with him. Do I make sense to you? It's so weird.

''However the composite NN on your Uranus is meant to pull you forwards, develop an independent feeling of selfvalue and worth, independent from what other people may think (the cluster in your 7th house seems to point into the same direction).

If you are already there, great.
But the fact you keep being drawn to someone who activates that for you, and you are not feeling comfortable about it, shows there is still something to grow out of there.
However it also means that you could have a liberating influence on the relationship itself, and on him of course''

So you mean he makes me feel like am a nobody but at the same time will give me a feeling of self value and worth?

Basically I should make a conscious effort not to let my self worth and value be affected by this?It's the first time that I'm having to deal with such conflict. Being a Leo gives me a good dose of confidence and self worth.

''This relationship really illuminates the Chironic wound for him. But it is in the past''

So am a painful reminder of his past wounds.That must really suck for him.Gosh..

"Both Suns in square to his natal nodal axis represent a skipped step for him. YOU represent a skipped step for him, something that he cannot get around this time. Or actually someone. ''

What is a skipped step???You mean he can't avoid me even if he tried/wanted to?

'' But with that and his Moon also being opposed your Sun the magnetism is just so strong. You can run and run and run, but for somereason you get magnetised back everytime. After all there are still issues to resolve, right?
The karma is not finished yet. ''

Yes...that is EXACTLY what is happening...I suppose having saturn in the 7th and his saturn falling in my 7th house emphasizes this even more ya?

Actually I was planning on going on detachment mode....funny how accurate this is..lol

Gosh,astrology is....scary sometimes....

So this is not an easy relationship ya?

posted May 22, 2013 04:31 AM            

I am talking from experience. I am one of the people who have a defense system from steel, really, I can build walls around me so high and thick that sometimes not even I can get through. lol
And then this one gentleman crossed my path and simply slipped beneath my defense system, as if didn`t even exist at all!
and my "guards" didn`t even cry alarm, as it is their damned job to do, if a potential intruder comes too close.
Total fail though, when it comes to him.

Actually I find this rather intriguing now. lol
And no, not a relationship at all. But the fact alone that he slips through my defenses like they were nothing is pretty interesting.

As a matter of fact we have something similiar in our composite, as the composite SN is conjunct my Chiron (and the composite NN plus Amor and Cupido and Mars, is conjunct his 8th house ruler Pluto in his 7th house).

"I can't escape him?"
Not necessarily him. You canīt escape facint these issues inside and resolving this. But since it is him bringing these issues to the foreground (and you for him), there is a possibility that it really feels like you can`t escape him.

"So I was right.It's indeed a past life/karmic thing."
Yes. But remember only those past lives come up again and have a tremendous hold on us, that have some purpose for the present as well.

" do not feel comfortable at all, but at the same time I feel so comfortable with him. Do I make sense to you? It's so weird."
Yes, it makes sense to me.

"So you mean he makes me feel like am a nobody but at the same time will give me a feeling of self value and worth?"
It doesn`t need to be that way, that he makes you feel a nobody.
Actually I think that might be part of YOUR lesson, to not make your feeling of selfworth dependent on other people, not even him.
However with your Uranus on NN it might be that you already addressed that and at least started to change that.

BTW I don`t think leos as an archetype are really that great in terms of selfworth; Take away the stage and the applause and other people`s demonstrative appreciation and admiration from a Leo, and see what happens to his selfworth then.
I am talking about the archetype obviously, not individual people.
"What is a skipped step???You mean he can't avoid me even if he tried/wanted to?"
I mean he can`t avoid the issue. Should he break ties with you, the same issue probably will come up in other relationships as well.

As to the skipped step
http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/what-happens-when-you-meet-your-skipped-step-repaying-karmic-debts-in-romantic-relationships.html

"Yes...that is EXACTLY what is happening...I suppose having saturn in the 7th and his saturn falling in my 7th house emphasizes this even more ya?"
Yes. But more so because his Saturn conjuncts your Mercury-Venus-conjunction in 7th house.

posted May 22, 2013 06:28 AM            

The attraction and joy is the hook that pulls you in, and once in, you usually meet Mr Saturn at the door telling you: oh and just for your information, you are aware there is quite some work to do, now that you`re here.

Well, not that bad hopefully. But anyway, yes karmic relationship can feel heavier than others (for some flipping weird reason I feel that sort of heaviness around Jude Law. I never even spoke with the man, but still can feel my Saturn exactly on his SN. and his Saturn conjunct my asteroid Karma in our 7th house and his ASC exactly conjunct my NN. lol)

But anyway for all realistic karmic relationships, yes they can feel heavier, but if that is all they feel, then it`s time to move on. Which can be a karmic lesson, too, btw. Knowing when to quit.

For the fun aspects of a relationship, I suggest you check the 5th house rulers, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, yes, definitely for Jupiter to angles, luminaries, Venus or Mars. Some Jupiter aspects alone can make all the SAturn-work worth it. It just feels so good.

For the partner-potential, look for 7th house activations (ruler of 7th house, aspects to DESC, aspects to planets IN 7th house - but they have to be aspcted, just having a planet floating around there is not enough; also look what your 7th house ruler is doing in HIS chart. Example: my DESC ruler is MErcury, I have noticed the aspects to THEIR Mercury are crucial. It is like I am meeting my relationship profile or need or whatever IN them).

For close intimate, though neither romantic nor sexual, relationships, look for Moon and the 4th house.

If you want it all, the "you want a love that consumes you" kind of thing, the deep soulsearing desire and intimacy you want to find a mutual aspect between one person`s 8th house (ruler or planets therein) to the ASC, 2nd house or 7th house, and even 4th house of the other person. If it is to the 5th house, it might be a torrid affair. Dynamic aspects between 5th and 8th house are a very heavy aphrodisiac. The Richard Burton/Liz Tayloer kind: his 8th house ruler was square her 5th house ruler, which was a Pluto-Venus-square at the same time.)

posted May 22, 2013 06:53 AM            

That part made me smile lol.

(Mr Saturn: FYI,you are here for a reason,don't you ever forget that,even if do momentarily,don't fret,I shall remind you!)

''For the fun aspects of a relationship, I suggest you check the 5th house rulers, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, yes, definitely for Jupiter to angles, luminaries, Venus or Mars. Some Jupiter aspects alone can make all the SAturn-work worth it. It just feels so good.''

So I had a closer look to those.

My Jupiter trines his sun and moon at 3 degrees orb respectively.Quintile his Venus at 1 degree.Conjunct his Jupiter. opposes his Juno and Eros,trines his MC at 6 degrees.

His Jupiter quintile my sun at 1 degree,trine my Juno,squares my venus-mercury at 9 degrees ( am guessing this is too wide an orb) and trine my ASC at 7 degree ( again too wide)

His venus biquintile my merc-venus ( dw) and my MC at 1 degree and -1 degree respectively.His Mars trine my mars and square my pluto.

5th house rulers are Venus and Mercury ( Virgo for him). So ^^ these aspects sounds promising.LOL. That's a relief lol.

''For the partner-potential, look for 7th house activations (ruler of 7th house, aspects to DESC, aspects to planets IN 7th house - but they have to be aspcted, just having a planet floating around there is not enough; also look what your 7th house ruler is doing in HIS chart. Example: my DESC ruler is MErcury, I have noticed the aspects to THEIR Mercury are crucial. It is like I am meeting my relationship profile or need or whatever IN them).''

Alrighty.

Following your example,my DESC is Moon. Aspects to his moon: His moon (his IC ruler) opp my sun,opp my saturn ( although it's very wide orb at -8 degree) and conjunct my asc EXACT. But it doesn't aspect his DSC which is Pluto.

He has an empty H7. My Merc-Venus-neptune receives a sextile from his pluto.

posted May 22, 2013 07:00 AM            

There is a good balance ( I hope) of karma and nice good interactions LOL. Thanks for laying it out for me.It makes it easier to check all those aspects.

so I wanted to have a look at this

''If you want it all, the "you want a love that consumes you" kind of thing, the deep soulsearing desire and intimacy you want to find a mutual aspect between one person`s 8th house (ruler or planets therein) to the ASC, 2nd house or 7th house, and even 4th house of the other person. If it is to the 5th house, it might be a torrid affair. Dynamic aspects between 5th and 8th house are a very heavy aphrodisiac.''

My 8th house ruler is sun while his is Jupiter (Sag). His Jupiter quintile my sun at -1 degree. My sun quintile his pluto ( his DSC ruler) exact. Do quintiles count?