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Twirl
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posted June 11, 2013 02:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Which tarot card represents other women in a love reading? Anyone wants to share their experiences with indicators in the spreads?

For me:

Queen of pents often comes up as a representive of an affair with someone else.
- all queens ill dignified/reversed can represent her.
- Side note: I never saw a queen of swords represent another (when upright).
- High Priestes RX, Empress ill dignified and/or Strength ill dignified (Devil, Lovers, 5 swords/7 swords in mix).

I know there is many more combinations possible, but what to you is the main indicator for 'another' in your cards?
Thanks!

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posted June 11, 2013 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 11, 2013 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've gotten it more literally when opposite* number '3' cards come up. For example, when the three of cups is present with the three of swords denotes that there is a third party involved, especially, because of the juxtaposition.

[edit] http://www.keen.com/documents/works/articles/tarot/number-3-cards-of-the-tarot.asp

Also, 5 of wands as well as 7 of wands though not necessarily one woman, but that there are multiple people involved.

*i.e. one signifies happiness the other signifies break-up.

[edit] Sorry @Twirl, reading your question more thoroughly, in regards to a specific card representing another woman.

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posted June 11, 2013 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Classic example:

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posted February 24, 2013 12:01 PM
For you I have drawn Empress. She looks beautiful and she has black wavy hair. She's fully naked, but only one of her breasts is fully exposed. She's sitting on a rocky throne in the middle of a field, or forest. It's night time and the full moon is visible in the background shining bright. She's holding a wand with three moons on it. Two half moons and a full moon in the middle. Her crown is made of white wild flowers and there is a garland wrapped around her attempting to cover her naked body, but one of her breast remains fully exposed. There are blue wild flowers on the ground beside her. What I find weird about it is being there out at night time. Why is she out during the night and not day? It makes me feel like she's being hidden from the "light". Other than that, it looks to be positive overall. I worked for a Tarot reading company where I did many readings for others and had many repeated clients. Upon doing the readings a frequent show of Empress denoted that although the man found her attractive and loved her, he had another woman as well. Not saying the same for you, but just something I felt like bringing up so you could be aware of it .
Well, just by looking at the card he apparently finds you extremely attractive. However, she's out at night where things aren't very clear. Luckily the bright full moon is out so there is some clarity into the situation. He has deep and strong feelings for you, so he might be feeling a little intimidated by you - your beauty, your mysterious nature, etc. Well, I couldn't resist and peeked on the following two cards.

High Priestess and 3 of Cups..so definitely this combination of cards with the Empress..could denote that he's hiding someone, or something from you. He's very attracted to you, it seems his feelings are strong (2 Major Arcana cards) a lot of female energy - he thinks you're sensual, sexy, mysterious..but the two 3's are a bit of a problem and the mystery behind the Priestess + two night cards (Priestess is also a dark card and there are 2 candles lit on this one) and then the 3 of Cups we see 3 women out during the day time...two night cards + one day card = Two women Priestess+Empress are "hidden", and the 3 of Cups women are fully exposed since they are out during the day, so to me this could mean that there is someone else he's seeing, or is also attracted to. However, it might seem like his feelings for you are deeper, or stronger than the other one.

Hope this helps, have a nice day!


Thread her feedback confirmed it -
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/006041-2.html

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posted June 11, 2013 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://lovedovetarot.com/2012/10/23/cheating-home-wrecking-sexual-perversion-and-seduction-in-the-cards/

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posted June 11, 2013 04:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. The Queen of Pents is usually me.
If there is more than one Queen though, I take notes. Especially if there are minor arcanes of the 3-batch.
Queen of wands has once been indicative of the other woman in a past life reading for me.

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posted June 11, 2013 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of my decks actually names the Queen of Swords as the 'other woman' so I've come to look at her as such.

I definitely agree with the 3s, empress, especially High priestess, also the 6 of pents. Some work better in combinations, like High Priestess and 4 of wands, or lovers and 3 of cups, empress and 3 of cups, lovers and 6 of pents, the 6 of pents with the 3s.

Sometimes it depends on the deck as the images tend to vary so the meaning alters a bit.

I still have a bit of trouble figuring out when a court card is ill-dignified or even which court card represents me.

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posted June 11, 2013 04:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of the cards here I have sometimes seen as the other woman, sometimes not.

For me to be more sure about it, I would want to see some combination with:

- 3 of swords
- 7 of cups
- 7 of swords
- maybe also 5 of cups and swords

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posted June 11, 2013 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Littlecloud - Why the 6 of Pentacles?

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posted June 11, 2013 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's actually saying #3 means loyalty.

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[edit] http://www.keen.com/documents/works/articles/tarot/number-3-cards-of-the-tarot.asp

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posted June 11, 2013 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Littlecloud - Why the 6 of Pentacles?

I've read about this one, also. It's supposed to mean, in such context, duality and fickleness. I have the book somewhere, I'll check it out.

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posted June 11, 2013 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me it has always meant someone in an unequal relationship (one partner does more/gives more than the other). Also have noticed other accurate things with this card confirmed by clients & people.

I wish I could share all with you guys, lol . I will write an e-book some day..hehe..

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posted June 11, 2013 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kinda the reason you both stated. I often see 6 of pents as a sharing of time, to me this would be more of an affair than a one-night stand. Time after all is a resource and more valuable than money itself, and here it's being split between 2 people, one person holding most of the power/balance.

3 of wands has always seemed to represent the 3-fold law for me. You get what you put out into the universe 3 times. It's often showed up as a gift to me. For me 3 of cups almost always means 3 people.

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posted June 12, 2013 01:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Empress upright or reversed, ill-dignified or not.

Lovers means there are also 3 people. This never means love, and the person most likely won't be choosing you when this one shows up.


Hi Thanks!
I think you posted somewhere/once about the why of this? Think it comes up that way, because the choice shown in the cards is that of 'the heavenly woman' (angel) and the mundane woman. So basicly 'two women' in there. For me it doesn't always show this way though. But I'll keep a close eye!!
Your example is really classic! True. Love it. Especially with the high priestess there also.
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@Imeanj: thanks. Good link as well.
For the 3's: I agree, it can show up for it (especially 3 cups), but for me it's not a 'rule'. Threes also come up for things getting together, new creations, etc.
Had a reading yesterday with 3 3's there and it was all about taking business ventures to a higher level, mastering it and doing it with great passion (no other love life indicators).

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interesting. The Queen of Pents is usually me.
If there is more than one Queen though, I take notes. Especially if there are minor arcanes of the 3-batch.
Queen of wands has once been indicative of the other woman in a past life reading for me.

Hi Yes, I always check first if the querent is not a queen of pentacles type herself, but if that's not the case and I see more cards in the mix like high priestess etc. I'm very careful.
Aah okay, queen of wands, passionate sex beast, lol.

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
High Priestess and 4 of wands, or lovers and 3 of cups, empress and 3 of cups

Oh yes! Love this combinations.
6 pents doesn't show up like that for me. Inequality in give-take, yes, sometimes... But mostly both partners feel comfy with it, except if other 'negatives' show like queen cups reversed (too giving) and 5 pents, etc.

Remember you wrote that somewhere about queen of swords. But for me it feels like such a contradiction because she is all about honestly. She and ace of swords are the only two cards with a straight/upright sword (seeing truth clearly). Even the king if this element does not have this vision. His sword is leaning to the side (some personal beliefs in making desicions/speaking truth).


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Kinda the reason you both stated. I often see 6 of pents as a sharing of time, to me this would be more of an affair than a one-night stand. Time after all is a resource and more valuable than money itself, and here it's being split between 2 people, one person holding most of the power/balance.
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Okay, I can see why you could at it this way.

Thanks for all the experiences!

What do you guys think of Strength though? I'm very cautious when I see her in a love reading. Especially with the Empress.

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posted June 12, 2013 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Twirl:

What do you guys think of Strength though? I'm very cautious when I see her in a love reading. Especially with the Empress.


Why?

I`ve always had the nicest experiences when STrength came up in a reading for me.

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Why?

I`ve always had the nicest experiences when STrength came up in a reading for me.


Because for me it can go either side. When it's empress and Strength for example. It would definitely indicate lust to me, because Strength is also a very sexual card. I like the Strength card, but I always (as always, but with a bit extra) look for indicators of lustful/adulterous indicators. If not empress, an queen that clearly doesn't depict the querent, etc.
But that's also why I am interested in other people's experience with this card. I personally feel there's more to it then just niceness (when upright).

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That's the problem here. Many readers think cups are exclusively for love and other "love" cards, when that isn't the case. Any card could be applied to love situations, especially if the question is love related. Three 3's definitely sound fishy when it comes to love questions.



It wasn't a love reading. For me cups isn't always a love card of course. Bit of ace of wands/passionate fire and court cards would do me just fine

I would look at the overall spread first and look what else was there, before taking the 3 in as an indicator of a third party/love triangle/indulging on threesomes... That's how I look at it though.

Empress I will definitely take in, in following love readings.

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posted June 12, 2013 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twirl

Re-reading your original post, I think the ill-dignified or Rx aspect is important. Thus, I am wondering how Death and Tower are involved then in these combinations or would come into play. Thoughts?

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posted June 12, 2013 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok, if it was a love reading then yes of course it would be different. ^_^

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
[b] That's the problem here. Many readers think cups are exclusively for love and other "love" cards, when that isn't the case. Any card could be applied to love situations, especially if the question is love related. Three 3's definitely sound fishy when it comes to love questions.



It wasn't a love reading. For me cups isn't always a love card of course. Bit of ace of wands/passionate fire and court cards would do me just fine

I would look at the overall spread first and look what else was there, before taking the 3 in as an indicator of a third party/love triangle/indulging on threesomes... That's how I look at it though.

Empress I will definitely take in, in following love readings.

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[b]Twirl

Re-reading your original post, I think the ill-dignified or Rx aspect is important. Thus, I am wondering how Death and Tower are involved then in these combinations or would come into play. Thoughts?[/B]



Yes, I agree at looking at reversed cards if you normally read reversals.
Why do you think of Death and Tower? It wouldn't be my first pick to indicate another woman...
Tower and Devil is a classic for sexual endeavours... But I see it more with coming up for a) the cheater or b)the querent who herself is having an extra lover on the side...
Tower could come up for if the querent is going to find out and never saw it coming there was another woman, but Death I find unlikely because it is a more gradual process of releasing what no longer fits. So perhaps when the partners are already growing apart (past position most likely or present) and then put 'another' in the mix.
Just brainstorming a bit here...

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posted June 12, 2013 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sc0rpioRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Classic example:

Thread her feedback confirmed it -
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/006041-2.html


Just to update Empressmendez... A.R has broken up with his girlfriend, he told me he was breaking up with her.. And when is doing it and how.. I got feeling he did it cos he has feelings for me..... Don't know for sure though...

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posted June 12, 2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Twirl

I bring up Death and Tower in regards to being ill-dignified - order dependent. Yes?

I agree Devil is sexual.

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Twirl
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Ehmm...
So...
I read today for someone and low and behold Strength showed prominent as a first indicator. When I explained a little bit (and didn't even get to the point of asking) she told me about the affair she is having with a married man..actually we ended up doing the whole reading on this subject.
Noone else has these experiences with Strength?
@empress: Is my Strength something similar as Empress showing for you to indicate affairs and/or trying hard to resist this attraction? Or doesn't she come up for you this way?
I know you already shared lots of your secrets, but if you can share something on this, I would love it. If not all good of course

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