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Twirl
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posted July 10, 2013 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After the 'other woman thread': A brighter view:
What cards can indicate marriage?
I haven't seen these yet, but I'm brainstorming a bit.

I'm thinking 4 of wands + Hierophant?
I've seen Lovers as an actual wedding event someone was attenting, but since affliction with this card it seems difficult to tie this one to marriage although its one of the traditional meanings.
10 of cups + justice?

Any other experiences?

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hannaramaa
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posted July 10, 2013 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Devil can indicate marriage, especially if using the traditional Rider-Waite deck. In that instance it is looked at as "the old ball and chain," card.

In the same way The Hierophant represents marriage, I think the High Priestess can too, with the exception the marriage is a bit more alternative or unorthodox in some way.

10 of Pentacles alone, as well.
Strength, plus 10 of Pentacles or Cups?
Strength, alone?
2 of Cups + 10 of Pentacles
Strength and 2 of Cups?

I'm interested to see what other people have come up with.

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Twirl
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posted July 10, 2013 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Hanna!

Very interesting. Especially the Devil card here!
Wow, I'm surprised about The High Priestess though. She normally comes up for me on a 'platonic level'.
Thanks for your takes!
Maybe a 2 of swords in the mix somewhere would also makes sense? (for signing of the paperwork?)

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posted July 10, 2013 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah definitely!

About the 2 of Swords - I'm on the fence. I get what you're saying but Sword energy is stable enough for me to consider it. But then again the 2 of Swords isn't a flexible card or one that changes their mind. Maybe the 2 of Swords is kind of getting married on blind faith it'll work? Naivety? 2 of Pentacles would work because of the infinity symbol and it being a Pentacle card. It just may be more of a hectic marriage. 2 of Wands I feel would symbolize people who live together forever but never officially get married.

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Twirl
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posted July 10, 2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure. For me 2 swords comes up a lot for the literal act of signing of the contracts.
All the other 2's (except the cup) I would doubt in a 'getting together'/tying the knot-way.
I like the word play with it though, "the blind faith" & I do get what you are saying, but all the cards have that 'unstable feel' to it. I think I would actually even like a 3 of wands better...
Not sure. Only ever saw Lovers come up for it irl.
And Temperance which is often referred to as 'mixing elements' I actually always see for 1 person deciding it is not a match, but feeling very complete on his/her own and following his/her path...
Confusing! Lol.

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posted July 11, 2013 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayEvans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about the Empress? Would you consider that an indication in a relationship reading? Or is that card more representative of fertility etc?

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Twirl
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posted July 12, 2013 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure about this...
I feel like it should show up this way, but because it often shows as other women involved, it makes me doubt.
I actually also often see this card in relationships for an extra overbearing mother!

I received empress - 4 cups - lovers for a relationship the other day.
As extra I received death RX + 8 cups.
Now 8 of cups I can see as taking things to an extra level within relationship. Like marriage...
I thought that there may have been another woman involved. But...I think I should have asked the querent if she was hoping for a proposal :-/
Just not sure.

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posted July 12, 2013 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayEvans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Twirl:
I'm not sure about this...
I feel like it should show up this way, but because it often shows as other women involved, it makes me doubt.
I actually also often see this card in relationships for an extra overbearing mother!

I received empress - 4 cups - lovers for a relationship the other day.
As extra I received death RX + 8 cups.
Now 8 of cups I can see as taking things to an extra level within relationship. Like marriage...
I thought that there may have been another woman involved. But...I think I should have asked the querent if she was hoping for a proposal :-/
Just not sure.


Ah, okay.. this is all so interesting. I'm starting to read more about tarot, although I am still not doing any readings myself. Threads like this help to understand the various meanings of cards much better.

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beccathelion
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posted July 12, 2013 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beccathelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are some really cool card combos here that I actually would never have thought of. I've pulled the 4 of Wands reversed for divorces at least three times now, so I feel like the upright (for me at least) is a pretty strong indicator, especially if it's around the Hierophant, or even weirdly enough, the 3 of Pentacles. That came up once. The "team work" aspect signaled that for me; it was a couple who really just clicked like a nuclear unit, versus a couple that had the 4 and the 2 of Cups (they were really, really young.) The 10 of Cups would be awesome. Or the 10 of Pents. I'd take either of those with the 4, and I'd take 'em with a happy heart.

I personally know I prefer to see the 3 of Pents with the 4, just given the nature of the game that is "forever," or rather, the job that it is, and I mean that in a sweet way. The Devil would scare me. Like a slave to passions... thrusting people into marriage. Or maybe even people getting married for the wrong reasons? Waaaaah!!! I love tarot so much. So many avenues. So many feelings

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posted July 12, 2013 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes, 3 of pents, definitely!
One '3' would be good IMO, because it's then really creating something new (marriage)
I wanted to ask you about the hanged man. Didn't you have it come up multiple times in readings?
What cards were you using? Or in other words, what leg was the man tied too? Traditional RW is right leg, is surrender by choice. Left leg is surrender forced upon someone.
It came up for someone in prison 4 me.
And I was stumped, cause Hanged Man never showed this way for me. But it was from my new deck. And tadaaa, that hanged man was tied to his other leg!
Lol, I love tarot too

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Originally posted by beccathelion:
There are some really cool card combos here that I actually would never have thought of. I've pulled the 4 of Wands reversed for divorces at least three times now, so I feel like the upright (for me at least) is a pretty strong indicator, especially if it's around the Hierophant, or even weirdly enough, the 3 of Pentacles. That came up once. The "team work" aspect signaled that for me; it was a couple who really just clicked like a nuclear unit, versus a couple that had the 4 and the 2 of Cups (they were really, really young.) The 10 of Cups would be awesome. Or the 10 of Pents. I'd take either of those with the 4, and I'd take 'em with a happy heart.

I personally know I prefer to see the 3 of Pents with the 4, just given the nature of the game that is "forever," or rather, the job that it is, and I mean that in a sweet way. The Devil would scare me. Like a slave to passions... thrusting people into marriage. Or maybe even people getting married for the wrong reasons? Waaaaah!!! I love tarot so much. So many avenues. So many feelings


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beccathelion
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posted July 12, 2013 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beccathelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Twirl:
I wanted to ask you about the hanged man. Didn't you have it come up multiple times in readings?
What cards were you using? Or in other words, what leg was the man tied too? Traditional RW is right leg, is surrender by choice. Left leg is surrender forced upon someone.
It came up for someone in prison 4 me.
And I was stumped, cause Hanged Man never showed this way for me. But it was from my new deck. And tadaaa, that hanged man was tied to his other leg!
Lol, I love tarot too


Ooooh snap, do I get the Hanged Man. Pretty much all the damn time. I use the RW, but I tend to work in the Celtic Cross spread, so when he shows up, it's always as a clarifier for the outcome or as the environment I'm in. I've never actually thought about the orientation of his leg... which is kind of a cool idea. I've always been more keen to the fact that he's upside down on a cross-like structure, which was how Peter asked to be hung, so as not to belittle Jesus' own crucifixion.

So upright, I get the purposeful stop by the querent (or the need to), whereas reversed, it's a man with the full ability to reach over and untie himself... he's just being a big ol' goofball idiot and won't. (I personally don't believe his hands are tied behind him; that's why I get this reading.)

I've never had it come up really in any context that would have been like... forcible restraint -- like prison -- but I have seen it once for addiction. Of course, the Devil and 9 of Cups were chilling nearby, so that helped flesh that reading out.

I think his legs might be a really great thing to start looking at though. Where his foot points, especially in a five card, straight-across spread. I'll have to try it! I'm such a bad freestyler though I really need those damn positions to be loud and clear hahaha

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