posted September 10, 2013 10:46 AM            

He wants to stay friends and hang out every weekend and keeps texting me good morning and texting all day.

But it's still painful b/c he does things that hurt me that show me he isn't in love with me like I am with him. This makes it hard for me to stay friends with him.

So I was wondering this. I think it's worth suffering the torture of staying his friend as long as he will eventually fall in love with me.

My question for the tarot is: If we stay friends, will he eventually fall in love with me?

posted September 10, 2013 12:09 PM            

So, for you I got

2 Cups: Lord of Love
6 cups: Lord of Pleasure
Death: Child of the Great Transformers [Ah Golden Dawn theorists, wish you were here to see ze movie]

Oh, the Q was how his feelings will change if you choose to stay friends.

The short answer is: yes, the realisation will get the better of him, just by the look of this. Whatever clutter was in the way will be gone and irrelevant. Intense too, 3 watery cards of which 2 Scorpio Wouldn't be able to give you a timeframe though based on just this T_T Perhaps indeed during the Sun in Scorpio, but really, tarot and timeframes.... I'd not venture to predict. The feeling is like it won't be long, defo not YEARS

Also maybe 2 cups for you (in love), 6 cups as a linking element (souls), death for him (feelings undergoing transformation)

posted September 10, 2013 01:09 PM            

You've helped me a lot so I thought I would do a reading for you now that you need one.

Here are the cards I pulled for: If they stay friends, will he eventually fall in love with RunAroundScreaming ?

(Celtic Cross)
Two of cups
Six of swords
Nine of wands
Eight of Swords
Four of wands
High Priestess
Emperor
Seven of cups
King of cups
Ten of swords

Ok so...you know n movies the guy acts like a douche and then months/years down the line, they realize. It just hits them. And with a bolt of new energy they run across the bridge to meet you with your hair perfectly in place waiting for him...Well, guys are human too. And they have a lot of issues themselves. Lots of self doubt, fears, anxieties, laziness, and sometimes they just don't get it.

In your case I genuinely feel that you have feelings for him and that you are trying your best to back up and be strong, even though you want to melt into a pool of RAS. You know the answer but....you have hope. You have astrology, which gives hope. But you still know the answer to this. I guess in a way you are distracting yourself from the harsh truth.....like I have been. It hurts. It's like a punch in your stomach. "How can someone not care for me? I gave him a lot. I genuinely care for him. He has to be stupid or just missing the point because I doubt he will find someone as genuine as me. Maybe if I hint at it, maybe if I yell at him, maybe if I make him jealous, maybe if I back off, he'll get it. But why doesn't he get it? Does he not love me? Am I unlovable? What's wrong with me? What can I do to improve so he misses me? Forget it! He didn't get it the first time, there is no way he'll ever get it. What a waste of time! Ugh. How can someone be so stupid. How can I be so stupid to let it go on this long and affect me like it has. Why am I obsessing over this!! I need to move on. I need to figure out my life. I'll meet someone better. Just watch! Boy he'll miss me then. *work on self* tada I'm brand new! What?! He has a gf? He's lying. He just wants me to get jealous. He always lies. I bet he was crying about me. I saw his posts on fb and youtube. Those posts were about me right? Wait. What if they weren't?? What if he was talking about this new girl? What if he really has a new girl? Wth! How could he! Didn't he love me? Didn't he say that he loved me? What's love then? Wait. I'm a mess again. Why am I obsessing again? What's wrong with me? I miss him...Why do I miss him? "

So that was me in a condensed manner. 1.5 years since I broke up with him....I'm still obsessing. And he's moved on it seems. If I believe the concrete and not my intuition. My intuition tells me that he loves me still and misses me but is mad, angry, regretful and embarrassed. He doesn't know what to say or do now. He doesn't know how to bring it back.

If he doesn't know then....what should I keep my life on hold for him until he figures it out? How can he be so wrong, weak? Why can't he speak up? Do I want to marry a weak guy? Do I want to have to pull words out of him?

No...

I don't.

Yes I miss what I thought we had. Yes, if he got his act together like I feel he could we could be something or at least be happy trying.

But he's not. And if he wants me, he can come find me, because I am tired, disappointed, but I also see my whole life ahead of me, calling to me with all it's potential happiness and glory.

IF he wants me maybe one day, he'll realize it and come to me. I've done my part. I've kept the candle burning for him...but I need an equal I need someone who wants this as much as I do. An equal.

And you need that too.
Say you get him to realize he misses you or having a friend or just the routine you had. How do you know what he wants from then on? How do you know the degree that he misses you? Say you yell at him, block him, give him the cold shoulder and he says he loves you to get you back. IS that how you want to be loved? Do you have to pull teeth each time? Do you have to pamper and understand each of their bad habits while they take you for granted? I say....no. You are not his keeper nor his mom.

If he was getting free tickets to a basketball game or a game of his choice or a free ipad, would he wake up at 4 am for it? I bet he would. If you are that meaningful in his life, he would have already let you know this by his consistent actions.

My guy tossed me lots of poetry and sweet beautiful words but it it has no foundation it's a house of cards. That is not what any girl should aim for or be content with.

I told you about my thoughts ,feelings and situation because I think....it relates to yours.

Plus your cards say you'll be kicking yourself later...like I am doing to myself now. He's not going to realize anything.

He might regret how he handled things, a few things he said but he'll not magically mature to the man you need. You will be disappointed.

You live in an ideal dream world now of what it would be like or how it could be. It is not though. And I don't see that they will be for you with this guy.

Sorry RAS.

posted September 10, 2013 01:30 PM            

Like i said he has been texting me consistently despite all this heartache i caused him. He hasnt exactly been acting the nicest in texts, but he has been texting me all the time since we broke up, even when I stopped texting him and said i didnt wanna talk to him.

But if andstuff's reading seems to say that it'll be intense again, and then your reading seems to say that i'll still be kicking myself and he still won't be falling head over heels (this is how it was while we were dating---intense but he still wasnt head over heels even though it seemed like he was bc he was so sweet and dedicated). So it sounds like it's just going to go back to being the way it was when we were dating. Which i want him to be totally in love with me and crazy about me, not any less than that. It doesnt sound like he will be from your reading, dreaming.

posted September 10, 2013 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
He hasnt actually done any of that dreaming. He hasnt really been a douche. I was the one who broke up with him 3 times. He was the one who tried to make me happy while we were dating, while I took him for granted. Also his shyness was a problem bc i misinterpreted as him being weird, i couldnt understand him and so we always had arguments. (mostly me attacking, him taking it)

Like i said he has been texting me consistently despite all this heartache i caused him. He hasnt exactly been acting the nicest in texts, but he has been texting me all the time since we broke up, even when I stopped texting him and said i didnt wanna talk to him.

But if andstuff's reading seems to say that it'll be intense again, and then your reading seems to say that i'll still be kicking myself and he still won't be falling head over heels (this is how it was while we were dating---intense but he still wasnt head over heels even though it seemed like he was bc he was so sweet and dedicated). So it sounds like it's just going to go back to being the way it was when we were dating. Which i want him to be totally in love with me and crazy about me, not any less than that. It doesnt sound like he will be from your reading, dreaming.

So thank you both!! Now i know to move on from this.

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What you described here was our dynamic too. I would breakup and he would try to win me back. He was shy; I was the extrovert. I used to get upset that he would sit but not talk much and reply barely. Every time I would ask him something about the world or life or anything...he would ask me first what I thought. lol He was really gentle but later he acted like he didn't care. And he did do messed up things. I let because I had it.

While he used to message me a lot even during our breakups. Near the end I was always trying to talk to him... While I never initiated the situation or treated him badly....he would act like I was a nobody, unimportant and just his sidekick. I gave up and left. I wanted to work on my own life.

posted September 10, 2013 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Andstuff, what would you say about the discordance between the two readings? Why did urs come out so positive? Do you agree that it seems to be that he will make certain realizations and fall in love but i'll still be unhappy with him/his personality? (It's quite possible, i can see that happening...and in that case i wouldnt want to pursue it)

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Hey, I asked just this, how his feelings will change if you choose to be friends.

What can I say about the discrepancy? I can say Dreaming111 did a reading for me, similarly dense and w a lot of cards. I walked about for a while being upset, then PhoenixFire came round a few hours later and gave me a reading totally opposing Dreaming's. Well apparently different people get different results. On that occasion PF was right, or so it seems. She did several for me on that 6 cups connection, she even did one for me on "will i meet someone who will make me forget A?" and she came up with "your heart still belongs to him and his to you", and that mental thing is still at work more or less. I can say this much. This is all I can comment on. Oh also Enlightened came round to that thread and came up with the brilliant "he loves you because he loves you". I could look look for the link, but I can't remember exactly when it was. Anyway, the point is discrepancies occur.

I obviously cannot account for the discrepancy between the readings the 2 of us did for you.

I'd be happy to give you a follow up though [if you want to] that will include how this change of feelings will affect you. This is all I can do, really.

posted September 10, 2013 03:23 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hey, I asked just this, how his feelings will change if you choose to be friends.

What can I say about the discrepancy? I can say Dreaming111 did a reading for me, similarly dense and w a lot of cards. I walked about for a while being upset, then PhoenixFire came round a few hours later and gave me a reading totally opposing Dreaming's. Well apparently different people get different results. On that occasion PF was right, or so it seems. She did several for me on that 6 cups connection, she even did one for me on "will i meet someone who will make me forget A?" and she came up with "your heart still belongs to him and his to you", and that mental thing is still at work more or less. I can say this much. This is all I can comment on. Oh also Enlightened came round to that thread and came up with the brilliant "he loves you because he loves you". I could look look for the link, but I can't remember exactly when it was. Anyway, the point is discrepancies occur.

I obviously cannot account for the discrepancy between the readings the 2 of us did for you.

I'd be happy to give you a follow up though [if you want to] that will include how this change of feelings will affect you. This is all I can do, really.

Also @Dreaming, nothing personal whatsoever, please don't hold it against me.

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No not t all... I would never hold anything against you.

As you know I'm no expert. I just try my best to help those that ask.

I would never even assume to be 100% accurate. On the contrary if things goes as your cards present themselves, I am more than happy for RAS and for you to have gotten an accurate reading.

posted September 10, 2013 03:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hey, I asked just this, how his feelings will change if you choose to be friends.

What can I say about the discrepancy? I can say Dreaming111 did a reading for me, similarly dense and w a lot of cards. I walked about for a while being upset, then PhoenixFire came round a few hours later and gave me a reading totally opposing Dreaming's. Well apparently different people get different results. On that occasion PF was right, or so it seems. She did several for me on that 6 cups connection, she even did one for me on "will i meet someone who will make me forget A?" and she came up with "your heart still belongs to him and his to you", and that mental thing is still at work more or less. I can say this much. This is all I can comment on. Oh also Enlightened came round to that thread and came up with the brilliant "he loves you because he loves you". I could look look for the link, but I can't remember exactly when it was. Anyway, the point is discrepancies occur.

I obviously cannot account for the discrepancy between the readings the 2 of us did for you.

I'd be happy to give you a follow up though [if you want to] that will include how this change of feelings will affect you. This is all I can do, really.

Also @Dreaming, nothing personal whatsoever, please don't hold it against me.

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No not t all... I would never hold anything against you.

As you know I'm no expert. I just try my best to help those that ask.

I would never even assume to be 100% accurate. On the contrary if things goes as your cards present themselves. I am more than happy for RAS and for you to have gotten an accurate reading.

posted September 10, 2013 03:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hey, I asked just this, how his feelings will change if you choose to be friends.

What can I say about the discrepancy? I can say Dreaming111 did a reading for me, similarly dense and w a lot of cards. I walked about for a while being upset, then PhoenixFire came round a few hours later and gave me a reading totally opposing Dreaming's. Well apparently different people get different results. On that occasion PF was right, or so it seems. She did several for me on that 6 cups connection, she even did one for me on "will i meet someone who will make me forget A?" and she came up with "your heart still belongs to him and his to you", and that mental thing is still at work more or less. I can say this much. This is all I can comment on. Oh also Enlightened came round to that thread and came up with the brilliant "he loves you because he loves you". I could look look for the link, but I can't remember exactly when it was. Anyway, the point is discrepancies occur.

I obviously cannot account for the discrepancy between the readings the 2 of us did for you.

I'd be happy to give you a follow up though [if you want to] that will include how this change of feelings will affect you. This is all I can do, really.

Also @Dreaming, nothing personal whatsoever, please don't hold it against me.

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No not t all... I would never hold anything against you.

As you know I'm no expert. I just try my best to help those that ask.

I would never even assume to be 100% accurate. On the contrary if things goes as your cards present themselves. I am more than happy for RAS and for you to have gotten an accurate reading.

posted September 10, 2013 04:35 PM            

Present: Knight of Cups: he comes with a gesture and an invitation to interact in a cordial way, in this case as friends

Past obstacles: Justice: Daughter of the Lord of Truth: was something in the way? objective differences? did he discredit himself somehow or other or did you? Either way, i feel the reason you stopped dating was justifiable at that moment in time, it couldn't be otherwise

Hidden influences: 10 Wands: Lord of Oppression: which is a massive load on your shoulders. You're literally feeling stifled and have no idea how to stop feeling like you're walking about carrying your own cage everywhere.

Future influences: Ace of Cups: Lord of the Root of the Power of Water: Affection will start flowing. From heaven as well as not. God's grace will be pouring over the 2 of you.

Synthesis: 3 swords: Lord of Sorrow

this is where i have to tell you how the spread looks, it's a cross of sorts

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452
_3_

so from knight of cups to 10 wands and from justice to ace of cups, both trajectories do lie through pain.

In my image the swords cut a rose in half + shreds, a very classical golden dawn image.

The Knight of Cups's gesture leaves you in pain which is why you're feeling this heavy load ("why would i carry such a weight on my shoulders etc. ... ")

But also it seems the way from reality checks and resignation towards blissful bliss lies through this same pain as well. I think there will be plenty of moments when you feel humiliation and resentment. Until his love transforms and manifests. It's your call now really. If you wish to take the plunge then pay the price. At any rate at this moment and in this context there is a strong chance this pain will not be in vain. But let me also say 3 swords is not the same as 9 or 10 swords, for example, sorrow is not cruelty or ruin. You can take a look at the Deviant Moon version of this card (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltpa6ey8v31qemyeho1_250.jpg), in which the girl doesn't fall as she has the third leg. You won't get permanently broken and injured. just take a look around. Ask yourself if you believe you can get this kinda love with ease, if other lovers will not leave you in a state of spiritual hunger. If you believe this guy to be replaceable probably not much point in going to these kinda lengths.

posted September 10, 2013 05:39 PM            

Yeah i know there will be a lot of pain i'll have to endure.

posted September 10, 2013 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by DeathIsanIllusion:
Ace of Cups, 3 of Cups Rx, Queen of Cups Rx

No, he will only be a source of emotional torment for you. The only 'good' thing about the two of you remains in the past. This 'friendship' won't lead you to what you want. Right now, he might be even interested in another person. Everything he will do, say and feel will make you unhappy. Don't be afraid to detach yourself from him, despite the fear of being alone. Cut all ties with him.

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That's what I felt. That it will lead to lots of resentment and even her past memories will be tainted by the prolonged agony of it all.

posted September 10, 2013 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
^ but we dated for two weeks :P

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Yikes!!

All this for two weeks? You really must like him. haha.

posted September 10, 2013 08:06 PM            

I'm laughing as I write this. I pulled three cards for you and please, please keep in mind that this is the very first time that I've pulled cards for someone other than myself...I can't guarantee anything.

I thought I'd practice on you so anyone who can help with the meaning of these cards are welcome to comment...
I pulled:

Ace of Wands (R)
2 of pentacles,
10 of swords

I don't know how to interpret the first two, but i know that the 10 of swords is one of anguish, torment...The two i've seen as the card of someone going on a journey. I asked of course if remaining friends will bring him to fall for you.

beyond Tarot, my advice to you will be to move on and truly move on as your only option here. If he keeps on calling you and pretending that you're the best of friends knowing your feelings for him, then he's abusing of the situation, no matter how nice he may be as a person, a matter of ego. But if you move on and to do so you'll have to avoid him, cut him off even then guess what : absence makes the heart grown fonder. But if you entertain him as "friend" then he'll never have a reason to ask himself what he's missing, you'll be miserable waiting for him to fall for you, and then you'll resent him..

posted September 10, 2013 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Lol pride is not the reason hes been texting me, bc ive called him multiple names for things that happened way in the past and keep leaving bc i keep changing my mind randomly without him doing anything to cause it. He even said, do u want me to beg on my knees, i just want to see you. Pride is not it bc i dumped him 3 times in that one month and broke up with him on his birthday (because he listens to rap -___- such a dumb reason), if anything he should be mad.

Alright i'll let him go, but no more readings. I liked the idea of ending it on the positive note that he might fall in love if we stayed friends. Now i dont even have that positive thought. Ha.

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Basic question....

If you like him sooo much why torture him and treat him like this? I'm not trying to be mean but do you think that it's a nice way to behave toward any human being let alone....someone you want to love or want to have love you?