posted September 20, 2013 11:03 PM            

Hope this is helpful.

posted September 21, 2013 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Not totally sure but looks like moon is void - ie not making anymore aspects before it leaves its current sign and enters Taurus. Might be a blessing in disguise....

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posted September 21, 2013 09:30 PM            

The VOC simply renders the chart invalid - usually saying something about your state of mind when you asked the question more than anything else, i.e. you were kind of questioning the question, etc.

Likewise, you are represented by Mercury here, there don't seem to be an applying aspects, did you meet someone or break up with someone two weeks or two months ago?

Hopefully, Hera will pipe in. Sorry to not be more helpful. Hug!

posted September 22, 2013 12:46 AM            

Depending on the reading type - most often relationships, look to the 7th house and take the ruler of that house, and see if there is an applying aspect and what type. Another chart - there's a better one in one of my old posts, but dunno where that one went. NOTE: you want it to be an applying aspect not a separating aspect - that is planets about to interact not finished interacting.
http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html

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In your case, you are Mercury - relationship or other person would be Jupiter, they are square and separating 2 counts - suggest there was some type of meeting that didn't work out or a break up either 2 weeks or months ago.

The VOC is more reflective of your emotions regarding the situation.

The whole chart is a bit wonky too b/c you've done progressive here - dunno if that makes too big a difference or not.

posted September 22, 2013 08:44 AM            

Yeah I was supposed to meet him at the end of July, and two weeks later I "dumped" him. We were never dating but kind of liked each other, so... I've been trying to forget about it since.

I didn't do progressions though, I just included transits but not for any reason other than that's what I thought Horary charts included.

posted September 22, 2013 08:54 AM            

ETA: I'm getting frustrated already, haha. But per this site: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12782

They say for beginners all we need is the first house ruling planet (which in this case would be Venus), the planet ruling the house of the quested...which I assume we'd use 7th and that would be Mars. And then the Moon.

So per this chart, the first aspect Venus makes is squaring Mars. The Moon opposition Venus and Moon square Mars.

^Does that point to me being mad about something which is blocking a relationship happening?

posted September 22, 2013 12:14 PM            

FOR EXAMPLE:
Since the 1st house rules the Querent and the question, planets placed there are quite significant in determining the outcome. The Sun in the 1st house indicates a question of some significance and that a solution will come about quickly.
From: http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/horary-astrology/

Um, yes - look to the first aspect that the ruler of the ascendant is making, and since its one with the lord of the 7th that's good news, though its a square - not as good. Then you want to look at mutual reception, i.e. where the planet is - is it exalted or in dignity in debility where it is, and likewise, what if it were placed in the sign of the quested? You are looking for mutual reception - that both planets are exalted and then also well placed in each other signs as well - this will give you insight on relationship dynamics such as who is in charge who's move it is too. Likewise, the faster planet in these readings is always the one who is more 'into' the relationship.

In regards to Saturn, he is separating from Venus so - that's suggesting that something in the past will affect the situation, etc. But that exactly it, it is in the past...

posted September 22, 2013 12:52 PM            

In the second one... Mars is exalted in Leo and Venus is in detriment in Scorpio. I don't know what that means but my brain is like "SQUARED SQUARED SQUARED, NOT GOOD." I think in very simple terms.

ETA: But the Sun is TEETERING between the 1st and 12th?

posted September 22, 2013 02:07 PM            

So, I think let's go with the first chart - VOC or not. IF there is no VOC, and then moon opposes the sun, something will happen soon, though its opposing, either means delays or obstacles more than anything.

Second, if you look at yourself as venus - in relationship horary you can use Venus and/or Moon as your secondary and Mars/Sun - different people have different ideas about it. Um, Mars and Venus do aspect here applying square, though as Venus you do apply to Jupiter as well and its a trine - is this guy coming back into your life? Or does he have the capacity too? Think about what you really want - sounds like a relationship, but not this guy, but why? Would you give him a second chance? Is there a possibility of transformation?

I think because of the recent breakup - I'd also ask you, are you asking about him or asking about the relationship? Also, because as mercury you are located in your own first house, if you continue reading from the link it also says the answer will be expedited. I'd poke around on Moon Valley - she's got some good stuff.

Hopefully, someone else will pipe in about the validity of this chart as well. STILL Not 100% on the VOC. HUG!

posted September 22, 2013 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
They don't suck. Settle down - tee hee.

So, I think let's go with the first chart - VOC or not. IF there is no VOC, and then moon opposes the sun, something will happen soon, though its opposing, either means delays or obstacles more than anything.

Second, if you look at yourself as venus - in relationship horary you can use Venus and/or Moon as your secondary and Mars/Sun - different people have different ideas about it. Um, Mars and Venus do aspect here applying square, though as Venus you do apply to Jupiter as well and its a trine - is this guy coming back into your life? Or does he have the capacity too? Think about what you really want - sounds like a relationship, but not this guy, but why? Would you give him a second chance? Is there a possibility of transformation?

I think because of the recent breakup - I'd also ask you, are you asking about him or asking about the relationship? Also, because as mercury you are located in your own first house, if you continue reading from the link it also says the answer will be expedited. I'd poke around on Moon Valley - she's got some good stuff.

Hopefully, someone else will pipe in about the validity of this chart as well. STILL Not 100% on the VOC. HUG!

BTW, do you mind doing a lenormand, asking about A, if he still has feelings and why the hold up if he does?

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Honestly I never posted the chart with my relationship with that guy in mind. I was hoping to see "Yeah you're going to go out on a lot of dates soon" and then be relieved I'd be able not to think of him for awhile.

The guy doesn't live near me, and I feel he is going to come back, although it certainly won't be my initiative. I'm not sure if your other questions are rhetorical or not, so I'll wait before answering them...

posted September 22, 2013 05:18 PM            

He (A) seems to still be in my life though he isn't - one of those I'm not inside or outside the door, I'm just gonna chill in the doorway types. :P (don't quote please, b/c I will edit!)

posted September 22, 2013 06:13 PM            

From the cards I got they do not denote an answer in what A feels for you exactly, but I can say that he still feels a connection to you and feels it very strongly. It seems you will get an answer from him one way or another and in due time. At the moment there may be delays due to some things that still need to come to light. This connection with you and A feels fated in some way. If I had to GUESS... based on these cards I feel A is an achiever and used to succeeding. You are important to him. You are in his life to humble him in some way and your whole meeting and interaction is very karmic. He may even be your husband one day but will definitely be in your life for a long time. You simply need to get to know him better, there is some digging you have to do.

Cards: Anchor Dog Book Scythe Key Sun Man. The base card was Horseman.

posted September 22, 2013 08:15 PM            

No, not in the medical field - but something very disciplined and precise. I will say he has gained a sense of humor and lessened his uptightness over the years to say the least.

Do you want to teach me some lenormand? How did you get that from the cards, and what does the base card mean? I've read from this site before and have a set of Gypsy Witch ones, but haven't really done more then that...
http://learnlenormand.com/category/petit-lenormand/advanced-techniques/

posted September 22, 2013 09:13 PM            

What did your notary chart say, and where do you want to start with Lenormand? If you don't have a deck you can always use a regular playing deck too.

posted September 22, 2013 09:33 PM            

Second, it's really a lot of intution and less learning. A combination really. When I first laid down the Anchor and Dog I knew A was not a lighthearted or new friend. Aside from the definitions of each card, they just seem very "heavy" but not in a negative way.

I'm typing from my phone and can't remember the 5th card. All I remember is the Key Book and
Horseman, which Ill explain. The Book usually pertains to studies, education, or that which has not been learned yet. It means different things paired with different cards but in this instance Sylvie said it was a medical student. Ironically J was watching Greys Anatomy so I went with it, lol. The Key card is a REALLY cool card to get in love matters I feel because it signifies whatever happens between you two is fated, and I guess I'm just a bit of a romantic like that .

posted September 22, 2013 10:06 PM            

My horary didn't say much, it wasn't very clear to be honest, I was kind of grumpy when I cast it - I do that at times cast when I know I shouldn't - see the PS. There were a lot of Venus and Mars aspects, but I was wondering if that was someone else or if it was me. Sometimes, its kinda hard to deduce since Venus and Mars are secondary signifiers.

I have a playing deck, but I think I'd rather get a Lenormand anyhow. I have some tarot, but tarot is so widely interpreted.

In regards to your horary and the relationship not with Jupiter dude you broke it off with - there is a Venus/Mars aspect in the first chart. Also the Sun and the Moon aspect, if it makes it without a VOC could mean something too. That sounds a bit confusing, so let me clarify.

Your first signifier is Mercury - because it is the Lord of your ascendant, your second is Moon or Venus. Moon usually gives off the feelings/emotions vibe here. Venus because you are female. So since there are no applying aspects to Mercury or Moon (besides maybe the Sun). You look at Venus. Venus applies to Mars and then Jupiter. Mars could be another person or it could be the dude (depending on HOW you ask the question. That's why I wanted you to clarify if when you asked it was about him or just in general. It could mean another suitor?) So, as Venus you have two aspects, a square to Mars that happens first and a trine to Jupiter. Yes?

Um, A might come back to the same state for school. I haven't talked to him about it lately, because of L. So...yeah, dunno. We'll see.

What does the scythe stand for? And so the base card? Sorry, still don't get it - what does that mean? i.e. when you lay it down, is it just linear? I've seen the huge Lenormand spread - but was more wanting to do yes and no 3 card spread for practice...

posted September 23, 2013 03:54 PM            

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"What does the scythe stand for? And so the base card? Sorry, still don't get it - what does that mean? i.e. when you lay it down, is it just linear?"

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Yes, it's all linear! I suppose you can lay them however you'd like. In this instance I put them all in a straight line, save for the base card (the card found at the bottom of the deck which is supposed to give an overall theme to the reading - I'll explain more below)

The Scythe is the same tool we see the Grim Reaper holding. In my Lenormand card it's laying over a bale of hay, and differs in meaning depending on what card it's by. Say it fell directly behind the Man card (so, on the left) it would most likely be describing his personality (I think if it landed on the right hand side it would signify an action taken instead, something that was going to happen, since it is moving forward in the spread) which in that case would be considered abrasive. It is equivalent of the Page of Swords in Tarot, I think because it is about making fast decisions, and can indicate surgery or pain in some instances.

The base card is the same as the base card in Tarot. The base card can lend extra insight to the theme of the spread overall. In your case with the Horseman, it's signifying a new chapter, or receiving news (the Horseman is a messenger of sorts but again differs in meaning depending on who and where he falls when reading Lenormand) He's also a male significator in Lenormand but since he was the base and not around the Man card directly, I chose to give him the overall interpretation. How you read is up to you.

posted September 23, 2013 04:12 PM            

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Your first signifier is Mercury - because it is the Lord of your ascendant, your second is Moon or Venus. Moon usually gives off the feelings/emotions vibe here. Venus because you are female. So since there are no applying aspects to Mercury or Moon (besides maybe the Sun). You look at Venus. Venus applies to Mars and then Jupiter. Mars could be another person or it could be the dude (depending on HOW you ask the question. That's why I wanted you to clarify if when you asked it was about him or just in general. It could mean another suitor?) So, as Venus you have two aspects, a square to Mars that happens first and a trine to Jupiter. Yes?

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posted September 23, 2013 05:59 PM            

Its also like tarot, so you will see certain planets appear to represent certain people...

So, yes moon is aspecting mercury, but its SEPARATING - see the A's versus the S's in the chart? So that means its in the past, i.e. whatever it signifies, it is over or the decision has been made. That's why if moon makes no aspects before it leaves the sign, nothing will happen or the moon is void.

posted September 23, 2013 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
No you don't take your natal chart into account, you can use it to 'verify.' i.e. its good to hear that your natal ascendant matches here - making the chart more valid, or more likely to be on par.

Its also like tarot, so you will see certain planets appear to represent certain people...

So, yes moon is aspecting mercury, but its SEPARATING - see the A's versus the S's in the chart? So that means its in the past, i.e. whatever it signifies, it is over or the decision has been made. That's why if moon makes no aspects before it leaves the sign, nothing will happen or the moon is void.

The only applying aspects here are to Mars and then Jupiter. Its possible Mars is someone else but it could also be Jupiter guy in disguise - depends on you when you were asking the question, but definitely there will be more interaction for you with Jupiter guy - look at the trine. Not set in stone, but likely...

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OH, the opposition... pulling away. Duh!