posted September 29, 2013 11:09 AM            

First, the question: It is about another person who is a friend, but also sort of a love interest. We have stopped communication and I am asking if he has moved on from me / our friendship. I would think his significator would be Sun / Mars? I'm not sure what house to look at for him. Since he was a friend, 11H, but also a love interest... 5H or 7H? I read not to use 5H for questions about other people in an Astrology Community forum about Horary though.

Then comes the ASC and it's ruler: Scorpio, and Pluto, which are sextiling. I read if the ASC ruler aspects the ASC in any way that that's "good." Venus is also in Scorpio and rules but has some essential dignity because it rules the Water triplicity by day. Wait - Venus in Scorpio in the 1st house and Pluto in the 3rd - with all the Pluto influence and Venus in the house representing me, and Pluto (also representing me) in the 3rd house, means I'm either obsessive, or does it mean I will have to break the ice first?

The first house describes me... so... what I see is my significator in the 3rd house, squaring Sun who also represents my MC. I cast the chart while I was here at work. It quite literally says I'm not working, lol, right? What I also notice is the Sun in the 11H of Libra, and then Venus in my 1st house. Now what? Am I signified by Pluto, Moon, or Venus? How are they prioritized?

posted September 29, 2013 12:03 PM            

UGH. So his Significator is supposed to be the Sun, but he is the 7H, and that's ruled by Venus so which aspects do I pay attention to?!

posted September 29, 2013 12:26 PM            

My significator is Pluto in Capricorn, and the other guy is Venus in Scorpio. Venus and Pluto aren't in aspect, neither are Moon or Pluto.

BUT...what about Pluto being in Capricorn and Saturn being in Scorpio?

posted September 29, 2013 01:31 PM            

I have so many questions, my brain is imploding, someone please save me.

posted September 29, 2013 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
So there's more than one significator for a person. How does reading them work? Like if significator one doesn't aspect or do what we want, we move to significator two? What if one person's two significators aspect? Does that just describe the individual.

[b]I have so many questions, my brain is imploding, someone please save me.

Thank you for your input and clarification though. Every little bit helps! This is tough. [/B]

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Yes, but I think this primarily applies to relationship questions.. as far as my knowledge goes, if the main significators aren't making an aspect, then the co-significators aren't really looked at too closely. I've really only seen the secondary significators used to go more in depth with the reading.. and if one person's two significators aspect, it doesn't matter.. you're looking for aspects between person one and person two. Does that make sense?

posted September 30, 2013 01:08 PM            

For instance on another Horary chart asking about a crush, the 7H was Cancer. What does it mean if the 7H ruler is the normal significator for the asker? It was a girl asking about a guy.

posted September 30, 2013 03:03 PM            

You're the ASC and he's the DESC. ASC is in Scorpio, so you can be either Pluto or Mars. DESC is in Taurus, so he's Venus. If we use Pluto, there's no aspect. If we use Mars, we get a separating square between Mars (you) - Venus (him).

His co-significator is, then, the Sun and yours is the Moon, and they are sextiling in an applying way.

I'm totally going out on a limb right now, but I'd interpret this as his inner desire to get together with you (the sextile between the co-significators), but he feels inhibited by something and wants to part ways (the square between Mars-Venus).

From what I've read, Venus in 1st house is beneficial to the querent, which would invariably impose the question of what you want out of him. Did you ask this hoping for a "yes" or a "no"? I think you wanted the answer to be negative, so that'd cancel out the negative energy of the square... I think that, in the end, he hasn't moved on but I don't think he's going to make a move (Mars seems to be much faster than Venus here, so you'd have to make a move).

posted September 30, 2013 03:25 PM            

His significator is indeed Venus. I don't know what it means that it's in my first house other than apparently he hasn't moved on.

Now, when dealing with Horary charts we stick to traditional rulings.

So:
Sun always rules Leo,
Moon always rules Cancer,
Mercury rules Gemini in the day, Virgo at night (I don't know what day / night means yet but there ya go)
Venus rules Taurus at night and Libra in the day
Mars rules Aries in the day and Scorpio at night
Jupiter rules Pisces at night and Sagittarius in the day
Saturn rules Aquarius by day and Capricorn at night.

posted September 30, 2013 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Aha! Glad to see you venturing out

His significator is indeed Venus. I don't know what it means that it's in my first house other than apparently he hasn't moved on.

Now, when dealing with Horary charts we stick to traditional rulings.

So:
Sun always rules Leo,
Moon always rules Cancer,
Mercury rules Gemini in the day, Virgo at night (I don't know what day / night means yet but there ya go)
Venus rules Taurus at night and Libra in the day
Mars rules Aries in the day and Scorpio at night
Jupiter rules Pisces at night and Sagittarius in the day
Saturn rules Aquarius by day and Capricorn at night.

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Here, I found this to explain the day/night thing:

posted September 30, 2013 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Before someone much more knowledgeable comes in, let me try to interpret this and see if I'm not way too off...

You're the ASC and he's the DESC. ASC is in Scorpio, so you can be either Pluto or Mars. DESC is in Taurus, so he's Venus. If we use Pluto, there's no aspect. If we use Mars, we get a separating square between Mars (you) - Venus (him).

His co-significator is, then, the Sun and yours is the Moon, and they are sextiling in an applying way.

I'm totally going out on a limb right now, but I'd interpret this as his inner desire to get together with you (the sextile between the co-significators), but he feels inhibited by something and wants to part ways (the square between Mars-Venus).

From what I've read, Venus in 1st house is beneficial to the querent, which would invariably impose the question of what you want out of him. Did you ask this hoping for a "yes" or a "no"? I think you wanted the answer to be negative, so that'd cancel out the negative energy of the square... I think that, in the end, he hasn't moved on but I don't think he's going to make a move (Mars seems to be much faster than Venus here, so you'd have to make a move).

Ok, let's see how this goes.

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posted October 01, 2013 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I don't know what I was hoping when I asked, really. If it was no - great, and if it was yes well... it will happen eventually, won't it? But hmm.. you saw a desire to get together with me? Yes he was always saying he was shy, but I thought he was lying. He would never open up to me.

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That was actually what my intuition told me to read into the applying sextile... I'm still not sure how to read the signs and house placements.

posted October 01, 2013 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
That was actually what my intuition told me to read into the applying sextile... I'm still not sure how to read the signs and house placements.

PS: Don't know if you've already read this, but I've found this post ( http://leephd.blogspot.com.br/2006/07/encyclopedia-entry-on-horary-astrology.html ) to be very helpful in fleshing out my understanding of horary.

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posted October 01, 2013 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
^ I found a great teaching website on Skyscript! But it's still nice to interact with someone when questions come up.

For instance on another Horary chart asking about a crush, the 7H was Cancer. What does it mean if the 7H ruler is the normal significator for the asker? It was a girl asking about a guy.

As for this chart - if you're around imeanj, could you read over my analysis and see what I'm doing wrong / right? Pretty please

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posted October 02, 2013 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
So are you getting better at this or what?!

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posted October 02, 2013 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Specific questions or points of clarification???

And I have a lenormand clarification - will post in a moment...

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Yes! Okay, so I asked if he moved on from me and his significator is Venus. But we have co-significators... so are his co-Sigs still Sun and Mars (in that he'd have THREE Sigs altogether?)

Next, how is Venus in the 1st house an indication of "No." It's my house, so I would think it describes me not him?

If we do include Sun and Mars as his Sigs, what does Mars inconjunct Jupiter mean, or trine Uranus? Do those count or no (wait we don't use Uranus, Neptune or Pluto in horary charts do we? So it's irrelevant.)

Or what about Moon as my significator (oh but my ASC is in Scorpio so my sig is Mars which means his can't be Mars. So... if I'm Mars that means I'm the man in the friendship and should chase after him? Would that still be a faster moving planet if it were in a slower sign like Capricorn?) Anyway back to Moon as my significator... it's square Mercury (HA! I hope I'm on the right track. Square Mercury = I won't talk to him.) and I think aspecting the ASC (which Venus is in - so what does that mean in regards to him?)

posted October 02, 2013 02:45 AM            

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Okay, so when he is Venus, you are no longer Venus, likely you are Mars. So your signifers are Mars and Moon - though Moon is more the timeline. Venus and Sun designate him.

Venus in your first house is a good sign, means that you are still in his heart. I think its more the Saturn in the 1st house that is bad. Don't worry about Uranus, Neptune or Pluto - dunno why, just don't use them.

Jupiter and mercury usually signify other people - depending on their aspects and also what houses they are in, etc. I am not really looking into detail here at the chart, so cannot comment further.

YOU ARE MARS! But that does not mean that you are the man in the relationship! It just means that he is Venus and as the faster moving planet he is keen on you - for example, he is in your first house - also shows he is more interested. No, signs don't make faster or slower, just the planet type. Planets can be in their fall, detriment, exaltation, etc, and that just shows if someone can act or not. Someone in exaltation has more power then someone in a fall - but people who are in the fall or detriment can be accidentally dignified - they may not be able to do something directly about the situation, but have some power in going with the flow, so luck is with the situation.

Moon square Mercury - just means obstacles, doesn't mean you won't talk to him, then you also need to see if they are mutually aspected in each others houses, etc etc etc.

Look at the order of events, what happens first - and that will tell you what happens. For example, if they there is an application sextile in 3 counts between the two signifying planets, but before that happens another planet interferes with the application with a square or something in 1 count, that means that the application between the two signifers will not come to be and has been interfered with - also depends on what planets etc. i.e. if Saturn (a malefic) interferes, then there's more of a problem.

I am unsure about the planets interacting with ascendants, I take it as a yes. I have asked on this forum a number of times, no one seems to have a definitive answer and I have not picked up anything further in reading about.